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    Quote Originally Posted by TTF14 View Post
    OK, I've finished watching it. I have some questions and would be grateful if someone could answer them for me before I give my theory. It's possible I missed some of this in the docuseries, and if I did, I'm sorry!

    1. What was left behind in her car? Is there an inventory anywhere?

    2. Has Fred ever said why it took him 5.5 years to talk to police?

    3. Have the empty bottles in her car (i.e. the "vodka wine coolers") been DNA tested to see if anyone else was in the car?

    4. Where, in relation to where the dog lost the scent, did Atwood stop and ask if she needed help? Where is his house in relation to where the dog lost the scent? Was he actually driving his bus at this time? Was his wife home? (Does he have a wife?)

    5. Has nobody from the dorm party talked?? Kate??

    6. Has "Witness A's" timeline been debunked at all?
    There is a podcast called Missing Maura Murray that can answer most, if not all, of these questions. They have been investigating the case for quite a while now, attempting to make their own documentary.

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    I am always amazed how people look for complicated conspiracies in cases like this when the answer is probably pretty simple: she was a woman who had a car accident ,she was alone, some bad person offered her a lift, she took it and she was murdered. That is my opinion anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovewings View Post
    I am always amazed how people look for complicated conspiracies in cases like this when the answer is probably pretty simple: she was a woman who had a car accident ,she was alone, some bad person offered her a lift, she took it and she was murdered. That is my opinion anyway.
    This is what I think as well, although what throws a wrench into that for me is witness A. She was VERY believable.

    However, I do think she was picked up where the dog lost her scent, and I think she was picked up by someone her own age, or more than one. An intoxicated 21 year old girl may have enough sense to not get into a vehicle with an "old man" (Atwood), but if she was feeling desperate enough to not get a DUI, she'd be a LOT more likely to accept a ride from kids her own age. My money is on those three boys who never showed up to work that night since where her wreck was was on their way to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovewings View Post
    I am always amazed how people look for complicated conspiracies in cases like this when the answer is probably pretty simple: she was a woman who had a car accident ,she was alone, some bad person offered her a lift, she took it and she was murdered. That is my opinion anyway.
    In this case the rag in the tailpipe has some benign explanation, like she either had car trouble and thought the rag might help or planned to blame the accident on car trouble.

    It also means the people who offered her a ride came by in the minutes between when the bus driver talked to her and when the police arrived, and no one saw them. That's all possible, maybe even the most likely explanation. She could very easily think someone older might insist she report the accident to the police that night, while younger people might be willing to just give her a ride.

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    Maura Murray alcoholic?

    I wonder if Maura Murray was alcoholic.

    “Hardcore” Alcoholism
    There one definition/type of alcoholism for people who party too hard and too much. There are also “hardcore” alcoholics who are physically dependent on it. They are compelled to drink until they're wasted, and they don't necessarily enjoy it. They need it like a thirsty person needs water. Such people start the day a little shaky and irritable, take a drink to calm down, and carry on drinking all day whenever they have chance. They often feel horrible about sneaking booze everywhere, but they don't know how to stop. You might catch them nervous and jonesing for a drink, at an apparent “sweet spot” where they have enough alcohol to be functional, acting drunk, or totally wasted. They often end the day wasted.

    I have known a small handful of people with this problem. It's different from someone who likes to drink too much, sneaks booze as a joke or for fun. There's no fun in the habit with these people. Even at the sweet spot or a little drunk, they still feel the jones for more until they're really wasted.

    Such people may have started drinking to escape problems or for fun, but it has evolved beyond the reason they started.

    What it could mean for Maura?
    • It could explain much of her behavior:
    • Car accident when she disappeared
    • The quantity of alcohol she bought and her taking some of it with her when she left the scene of the accident
    • Any bad decisions she may have made immediately after the accident
    • The accident in her father's car days before
    • If she was involved in the hit-and-run the week before, it could be she was drunk at the time.
    • Stealing a credit card number for someone in her dorm and the shoplifting – These are not peculiar to alcoholism, but they sometimes come with it.


    In this scenario, everything else is unrelated to her disappearance.
    People with this type of alcoholism can seem fine but be legally too drunk to drive.

    Maybe she was upset about something else in her life, maybe whatever caused to start drinking or to steal, and she was going to take a few days' break in a cabin to get away from it all. That would explain why she told her teacher and work she wouldn't be out.

    Maybe she never unpacked the stuff the appeared packed up in her dorm room. Her father could have taken out cash to buy a car, as he says, so he could put it on the table and show he's making a serious offer.

    The party she went to could have been some students drinking in a dorm room with Maura getting wasted. The hotel manager at her father's hotel could have let her in, and she called her boyfriend to tell him she crashed his car, all while her father was half asleep and didn't know anything was wrong.

    It certainly explains why she had alcohol in a pop can. Alcoholics have tricks to carry it everywhere. In this scenario, putting alcohol in a soda can/bottle is something she did on a regular basis.

    It's easy to imagine her crashing the car while drunk, getting in a car with some random “dirtbag” to get a ride and avoid contact with the police, and the “dirtbag” realizing she's drunk and they can get away with murdering her.

    Conclusion: I have no idea what happened to her, but I'm wondering if all the odd things that happened prior to her disappearance were just related to a troubled person with a drinking problem and unrelated to her disappearance.

    This scenario is not to disparage Maura. People see alcoholism as partly a moral failing (maybe sometimes it is; I don't know.), which could be why her father doesn't want to dig into the details of her life before she disappeared. Alcoholism kills many people, but there aren't regular fundraiser run events to fight it the way we have for cancer and heart disease. I have had relatives die of it, and I wouldn't really like to see the ends of their lives investigated with the public learning exactly how much they consumed and all the things they did under the influence.

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    Take it from someone who knows firsthand, any time alcohol impacts your life in a negative way repeatedly, you are most likely an alcoholic. There is no such thing as a “hardcore” alcoholic. Some alcoholics function day to day better than others, and can be physically dependent even if it appears they are just sipping periodically throughout the day. There is no such thing as a “sweet spot” for alcoholics.

    That being said, there are potentially a couple clues that could lead you to believe Maura had an issue with alcohol. 1) Two separate accidents within the span of a week. The potential for alcohol being involved is more likely than less likely. Maura attended a party just prior to the first accident. Alcohol was found in the car on the night she disappeared. 2) There is a family history of substance abuse with Maura’s oldest sister. There are both genetic and environmental components in addiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cutter99 View Post
    Take it from someone who knows firsthand, any time alcohol impacts your life in a negative way repeatedly, you are most likely an alcoholic. There is no such thing as a “hardcore” alcoholic. Some alcoholics function day to day better than others, and can be physically dependent even if it appears they are just sipping periodically throughout the day. There is no such thing as a “sweet spot” for alcoholics.

    That being said, there are potentially a couple clues that could lead you to believe Maura had an issue with alcohol. 1) Two separate accidents within the span of a week. The potential for alcohol being involved is more likely than less likely. Maura attended a party just prior to the first accident. Alcohol was found in the car on the night she disappeared. 2) There is a family history of substance abuse with Maura’s oldest sister. There are both genetic and environmental components in addiction.
    Being the age she was alcohol could also have also been self medicating for an undiagnosed mental issue. Most likely being Bipolar or Borderline Personality disorder.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovewings View Post
    I am always amazed how people look for complicated conspiracies in cases like this when the answer is probably pretty simple: she was a woman who had a car accident ,she was alone, some bad person offered her a lift, she took it and she was murdered. That is my opinion anyway.
    I completely agree. In most cases it's the simplest explanation. People had allll sorts of strange theories about Jacob Wetterling (sex trafficking, living in California, down in IL in a red car) and in the end it was the most likely theory: A stranger abduction and killed within an hour or two and buried.

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    "The danger of rumors like this is how fast they can be viewed as fact when people want a resolution."

    Not so much with the self-awareness.

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    I also agree that she likely wasn't abducted and whatever happened to her was mostly of her own doing. I also think her dying of exposure in the woods is a very plausible scenario. In that case though I'm not sure her body would ever be found as by now wouldn't her body have been carried off and eaten by wild animals?


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    Quote Originally Posted by sony12 View Post
    I also agree that she likely wasn't abducted and whatever happened to her was mostly of her own doing. I also think her dying of exposure in the woods is a very plausible scenario. In that case though I'm not sure her body would ever be found as by now wouldn't her body have been carried off and eaten by wild animals?
    Let's say she did run in several feet of snow and die in the woods naturally. That she was somehow outside of the search efforts of boots on the ground, thermal imaging cameras, helicopters, tracking and cadaver dogs, fbi nationwide search. Not to mention the high profile case that it is now and all the people curiously visiting the area, even now. Let's say all those people missed her body and yes animals could scatter the bones, make them less noticeable. She was, however, wearing winter clothes, coat, shoes, backpack. These items do not hide so easily in the snow, or after snow melts if she did die naturally. This is just one of the reasons her dying of natural causes seems somehow less plausible. Also it's documented as a criminal investigation, LE must feel the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieSky View Post
    Let's say she did run in several feet of snow and die in the woods naturally. That she was somehow outside of the search efforts of boots on the ground, thermal imaging cameras, helicopters, tracking and cadaver dogs, fbi nationwide search. Not to mention the high profile case that it is now and all the people curiously visiting the area, even now. Let's say all those people missed her body and yes animals could scatter the bones, make them less noticeable. She was, however, wearing winter clothes, coat, shoes, backpack. These items do not hide so easily in the snow, or after snow melts if she did die naturally. This is just one of the reasons her dying of natural causes seems somehow less plausible. Also it's documented as a criminal investigation, LE must feel the same.

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    Were there several feet of snow on the ground? I own a home in Maine and that's not very common for the area, even in the mountains, even in the dead of winter.

    Also, here in North Carolina, we had one guy wander into his back yard and kill himself, and despite people were worried that he was going to do exactly that, it took literally months to find his body, which was less than 10 yards from his house. Something similar happened in East Haven, CT -- a dentist disappeared outside his house and his body wasn't found for around 10 years, less than 1/4 of a mile away: http://articles.courant.com/2001-06-...-table-remains
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skigirl View Post
    Were there several feet of snow on the ground? I own a home in Maine and that's not very common for the area, even in the mountains, even in the dead of winter.

    Also, here in North Carolina, we had one guy wander into his back yard and kill himself, and despite people were worried that he was going to do exactly that, it took literally months to find his body, which was less than 10 yards from his house. Something similar happened in East Haven, CT -- a dentist disappeared outside his house and his body wasn't found for around 10 years, less than 1/4 of a mile away: http://articles.courant.com/2001-06-...-table-remains
    No I don't honestly know how much snow was on the ground. Maybe someone else can answer that.

    I'm not saying her dying naturally or by elements is impossible just less likely. IMO. We must leave our minds open to any possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieSky View Post
    Let's say she did run in several feet of snow and die in the woods naturally. That she was somehow outside of the search efforts of boots on the ground, thermal imaging cameras, helicopters, tracking and cadaver dogs, fbi nationwide search. Not to mention the high profile case that it is now and all the people curiously visiting the area, even now. Let's say all those people missed her body and yes animals could scatter the bones, make them less noticeable. She was, however, wearing winter clothes, coat, shoes, backpack. These items do not hide so easily in the snow, or after snow melts if she did die naturally. This is just one of the reasons her dying of natural causes seems somehow less plausible. Also it's documented as a criminal investigation, LE must feel the same.
    Or she's outside the area that everyone has been searching. Everyone was looking near the car. If Maura hiked a few miles down the road then ducked into the woods as soon as she saw a cop car or something, and she got lost and died there, it's really easy for someone to have never found her.

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