Bosma Murder Trial 03.30.16 - Day 27

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**If you would like to post tweets while court is in session, please read this thread first:
[h=1]Bosma Murder Trial Twitter Roll Call[/h]
Reporters to follow on Twitter:

Jacques Gallant, Toronto Star
Adam Carter, CBC Hamilton - ArianeEmory
Mark Carcasole, Global Toronto - Matou
Molly Hayes, The Hamilton Spectator
Peter Ackman, CTV National News
Nicole Martin, CHCH TV
Susan Clairmont, The Hamilton Spectator
Shannon Martin, CBC Toronto News

Also, check this site for real time updates.

http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/
 
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Tim Bosma trial: construction worker to testify Wednesday
CBC News Posted: Mar 30, 2016

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The Tim Bosma trial resumes Wednesday in Hamilton with the testimony of a man who worked construction for Dellen Millard, one of two men accused of murder in the death of Bosma. The jury will hear from Javier Villata, who returns to the witness box after a week.

In the witness box on Wednesday, Robert Bochenek testified about his short stint as one of the accused killer's roommates.

Follow CBC Hamilton's live coverage starting at 10 a.m.

CBC Live Blog

Live Blog Mobile

The Star Live Blog
 
We're underway. Just waiting on the jury.
by Adam Carter 10:01 AM
 
Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 40s41 seconds ago
#Bosma Jury expected shortly. I'll have a wrap of today's evidence at 6pm @CHCHNews

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 45s46 seconds ago
The jury is back at the #TimBosma trial. Javier Vallata is in the witness box.
 
molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 24s25 seconds ago
molly hayes Retweeted Hamilton Spectator
Javier Villata is back on the stand and the jury is being brought back in. here's a refresher on where we left off:

Hamilton SpectatorVerified account ‏@TheSpec
#BOSMA: Accused killer Millard’s employee said paycheques often late #HamOnt http://bit.ly/1ME0bHr

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 14s14 seconds ago
Jury is back and handyman Javier Villada is back on the stand. #bosma
 
Adrian Humphreys ‏@AD_Humphreys 16s17 seconds ago
#TimBosma murder trial resumes after a break. Catch up. Video evidence: http://natpo.st/21GEoLs Stories: http://news.nationalpost.com/tag/tim-bosma #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 32s32 seconds ago
Nadir Sachak is up to continue his cross examination of Villada. You'll recall last Wed. he said he had "hours" left to go...

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 20s20 seconds ago
Villada, assisted by a Spanish translator, is under cross by Millard's lawyer, Sachak. #Bosma
 
Back at the Tim Bosma trial today. Follow along for updates.
by Adam Carter 9:08 AM

Javier Villata will be first up this morning, as his cross examination continues. To catch up, here's my last story from the trial:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...ted-hangar-on-day-bosma-disappeared-1.3504029
by Adam Carter 9:53 AM

Villata is a contractor who worked for Millard, and did a bunch of jobs in and around his properties.
by Adam Carter 9:56 AM

We're underway. Just waiting on the jury.
by Adam Carter 10:01 AM

The jury is now being recalled.
by Adam Carter 10:06 AM

Millard's lawyer Nadir Sachak is continuing his cross examination.
by Adam Carter 10:09 AM

Sachak starting asking about Millard going to Croatia in 2012.
by Adam Carter 10:10 AM

Also asking Villata if he remembers Millard going to the Caribbean in the end of 2011. He says he doesn't remember exactly where he was going.
by Adam Carter 10:11 AM
 
molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 40s41 seconds ago
Sachak asks if he recalls Millard going to Europe for an extended period of time in 2012. Yes, he does. 20 days or so. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 25s26 seconds ago
In late 2011 and early 2012 Millard went to Croatia and Carribean, says Sachak.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 20s21 seconds ago
Millard also travelled end of 2011. To Caribbean, Sachak says. Villada says he doesn't know where he went. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 10s11 seconds ago
Javier Villada is back on the stand, under cross exam by #Millard lwyr Nadir Sachak, who is asking re his client's trips to Europe etc
 
molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 23s23 seconds ago
While he was travelling, he couldn't pay you during that time, Sachak says. Villada agrees but says he also fell behind while at home #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 35s35 seconds ago
Villada was #Millard's renovator. When boss was away, he didn't get paid. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 30s30 seconds ago
Villada was not paid by Millard while he was away. "That's true, but he also fell behind when he was here," Villada says. #bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 28s29 seconds ago
Sachak says sometimes he'd give cash up front before leaving. While working at the airport, Villada says, yes. #Bosma
 
Millard also took short 3 and 4 day trips periodically, he says. Sachak says there were sometimes delays in pay because he was away. "That's true, but he also fell behind when he was here," Villata says.
by Adam Carter 10:12 AM

Now asking about a trip to New Mexico in Feb of 2013 that Villata went on to pick up a dune buggy at Millard's behest.
by Adam Carter 10:13 AM

Villata took his son on that trip, he says.
by Adam Carter 10:13 AM
 
Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 5s5 seconds ago
Villata agrees that Millard when on frequent trips and that's the reason there was sometimes a delay in pay

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 9s9 seconds ago
Villada took a trip to New Mexico in Feb 2013. To get a dune buggy. Villada brought his 14-y/o son along. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 15s16 seconds ago
Villada went to New Mexico in Feb. 2013 to pick up a dune buggy for Millard. Villada took son, 14, with him.
 
Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 15s15 seconds ago
Villata adds "that's true but he was also behind when he was here."

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 9s9 seconds ago
Expenses all paid by Millard. #bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 11s12 seconds ago
Had to stay in hotels, eat out etc. Any expenses Millard paid for, Sachak says. Villada agrees. Trip lasted 17-20 days. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 11s12 seconds ago
Trip took 17 to 20 days. #Bosma
 
Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 16s16 seconds ago
Villata agrees that Millard paid his way to New Mexico in 2013 all expenses paid for him and his son for 17 days

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 14s15 seconds ago
On May 10 (day Millard was arrested) Villada had been hoping to see him that night--to get paid. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 26s27 seconds ago
When Millard was arrested on May 10 2013 Villata was hoping to see his boss to get paid, but Millard was arrested
 
molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 22s22 seconds ago
Sachak going back to the $9500 loan Millard gave Villada (to travel to Columbia). #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 7s7 seconds ago
Villada was also renting an apartment from Millard at Riverside Dr property. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont now3 seconds ago
Millard loaned Villada $9500. Villada paid rent to Millard. Some of his cheques bounced. "Because he didn't pay me on time." #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6s6 seconds ago
Sachak says some cheques from Villada to Millard (for rent/loan payment) bounced. Villada says yes--bc he was late paying me. #Bosma
 
"Any expenses associated with that New Mexico trip, Mr. Millard paid for?" Sachak asks. "Yes sir," Villata says. it was a 17-20 day trip.
by Adam Carter 10:15 AM

Sachak now asking about rent amounts at the apartment Villata was renting that Millard owned. "A couple of your cheques to Mr. Millard bounced?" Sachak asks. "Precisely, because he didn't pay me on time."
by Adam Carter 10:17 AM

The two were in disagreement about how much money Villata owed Millard. Millard said he was owed $11,288. "We both owed money to each other," Villata says.
by Adam Carter 10:19 AM

Now asking about the contracting company Villata Homes. Villata says he doesn't know if it was incorporated or not, as he trusted Millard to handle it.
by Adam Carter 10:20 AM
 
Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 22s23 seconds ago
Villata agrees that he had a discussion with Millard in March 2013 about how much he owed, which was always in dispute

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 12s13 seconds ago
Millard said Villada owed him $11280.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 34s35 seconds ago
Villada says they were "always in disagreement" about $. In March, Millard told him he owed him $11k+ (but Villada disagreed). #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 13s14 seconds ago
"We both owe money to each other. I owe him some money, he owes me some money," he says (through translator). #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 22s23 seconds ago
Villata agrees that Millard claimed he owed $11,500, but Villata says Millard also owed him $$ #TImBosma #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 40s40 seconds ago
"We both owed some money to each other," says Villada.
 
molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 26s27 seconds ago
Re: Villada homes, Sachak says you don't know if it was incorporated. Villada says no he doesn't know, he just trusted Dellen. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 14s15 seconds ago
Villada Homes paperwork had Millard as owner, Villada assumed.
 
molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 37s37 seconds ago
The idea was we'd form a company together. He'd put in the money and I'd do the work, Villada says. Millard was to be the owner. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 23s23 seconds ago
Villada owed money to #Millard for rent of an apt and a loan he got to travel home to Colombia. "We both owed money to each other." #Bosma
 
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