Bosma Murder Trial 04.26.16 - Day 40

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**If you would like to post tweets while court is in session, please read this thread first:
[h=1]Bosma Murder Trial Twitter Roll Call[/h]
Reporters to follow on Twitter:

Jacques Gallant, Toronto Star
Adam Carter, CBC Hamilton - ArianeEmory
Mark Carcasole, Global Toronto - Matou
Molly Hayes, The Hamilton Spectator
Peter Ackman, CTV National News
Nicole Martin, CHCH TV
Susan Clairmont, The Hamilton Spectator
Shannon Martin, CBC Toronto News
Colin Butler CBC Toronto News
Lisa Hepfner CHCH News Reporter

General MSM Tweets

Also, check here for real time updates.

http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/
 
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Tim Bosma trial: more testimony from Marlena Meneses
CBC News Posted: Apr 26, 2016

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The cross-examination of Marlena Meneses, ex-girlfriend of one of the two men accused of killing Hamilton man Tim Bosma continues Tuesday.

Meneses, 22, the former girlfriend of Mark Smich, told court Monday she wanted to marry him and have his child even though he was abusive and wanted her to become a stripper to help support him.

Follow our live coverage starting at 10 a.m.

CBC Live Blog

Live Blog Mobile
 
Jury now being recalled. Millard's lawyer Nadir Sachak is about to continue his cross-examination of Marlena Meneses.
by Adam Carter 10:19 AM
 
Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 1m1 minute ago
Jury is coming back. Millards lawyer still has more questions.. @AM900CHML #timbosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 50s51 seconds ago
Jury's back. Meneses is back on the stand. Sachak still up to finish his cross-examination. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 30s31 seconds ago
Marlena Meneses back on the stand under cross by Sachak for Millard. Jury has returned. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 36s37 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
#Bosma trial continues - follow CBC's live blog via @AdamCarterCBC here http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/tim-bosma-smich-millard-hamilton-trial-1.3553144 … @CBCHamilton

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 34s35 seconds ago
#Bosma jury is here. Marlena Meneses is in all black today. Sachak continuing his cross

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 31s32 seconds ago
Jury back. Marlena Meneses back in the witness box for cross examination by Dellen Millard's lawyer Nadir Sachak. #TimBosma
 
molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 37s38 seconds ago
Sachak wants to clarify something about the wedding--it was not Andrea's wedding (Smich's sister in from Calgary). #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 43s43 seconds ago
Sachak clarifying that Andrea is Mark's sister, but not the one who got married. Andrea was from Calgary and maid of honour. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 32s33 seconds ago
Andrea #Smich was not the sister who got married a few days before brother's arrest. She was maid of honour

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 29s30 seconds ago
It was their other sister's wedding. Andrea was the maid of honour or 'something like that,' Meneses agrees. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 6s7 seconds ago
Clarifying whose wedding smich and meneses attended. It was his sister. She is unnamed. @AM900CHML #timbosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 19s19 seconds ago
Four bedrooms at Smich house: one for her and Mark; one for Mark's mom; another for Andrea. #Bosma
 
molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 18s18 seconds ago
There were 4 bdrms at Smich's house. One for she and Smich, one for his mom and one for Andrea (her old room)--leaving a free room. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 20s20 seconds ago
One bedroom was vacant. Also a basement apartment with a bedroom and washroom. She and Mark were renovating that apartment. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 16s16 seconds ago
There was also a basement apartment in the house. She and Smich were renovating it. It was also vacant at the time of the wedding. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 16s17 seconds ago
#Smich and Meneses were renovating his mother's basement in May 2013

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 10s11 seconds ago
Sachak suggests there was room for them there when they chose to move to Meneses's sister's apartment. She agrees. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 3s4 seconds ago
Sachak asking about a black backpack #Smich used to wear. She doesn't seem to recall it. "Let me think about that."
 
Sachak starting by saying that Smich's sister Andrea wasn't getting married, she was the maid of honour for their other sister's wedding. She came down from Calgary for the wedding.
by Adam Carter 10:22 AM

Sachak now going through all the rooms in Smich's mother's home in an attempt to showcase they didn't have to go to her sister's in May 2013. "When you moved to your sister's place, there were rooms to stay in at Mark Smich's place," Sachak says. "Fair," Meneses says.
by Adam Carter 10:24 AM

Sachak now asking if Smich would carry a black backpack, and Meneses says yes.
by Adam Carter 10:24 AM
 
Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 18s19 seconds ago
She and Mark could have stayed at the Smich house...Sachak asking if Mark had black backpack. She "is trying to think about that."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 10s11 seconds ago
Sachak asking now about a black backpack Smich always wore. "Sorry let me just try and think about that," Meneses says. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 45s45 seconds ago
Ya. He did have a backpack. It was small, canvas, with buckles. He'd wear it a lot. Keep his personal belongings in it.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 44s44 seconds ago
"Yeah he did," she agrees. It was small, black, canvas. Had buckles. He kept his stuff in it. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
She says he did have a black backpack, small, buckles. He wore it a lot. What happened to it after May 6, 2013? She never saw it again.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 48s48 seconds ago
Meneses says she never saw the backpack again after May 6 2013
 
Meneses says she never saw that backpack after May 6, 2013 -- the day Bosma disappeared.
by Adam Carter 10:25 AM

Court now hearing that the walkie talkies talked about yesterday were to be used when Millard was planning to steal some lawn mowers. Meneses says she never helped with that.
by Adam Carter 10:25 AM

Smich was supposed to assist with the lawn mower theft, Sachak says, and Meneses agreed. It never happened.
by Adam Carter 10:26 AM
 
molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 46s46 seconds ago
She never saw the black backpack again after May 6, 2013, she agrees with Sachak. Doesn't know what happened to it. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 26s26 seconds ago
Meneses says Smich often wore a small black backpack that he suddenly stopped wearing after May 6 2013. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 59s59 seconds ago
Re: walkie talkies, she'd seen them before when Dell wanted her to be a lookout for theft of lawn mowers. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 49s49 seconds ago
The walkie talkies that belonged to Dell. She had them when he wanted to steal riding lawn mower. She was going to be a lookout.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 37s37 seconds ago
Asking about theft of 2 ride-on lawnmowers #Millard planned to steal. He wanted Meneses to be lookout on walkie talkie. Theft never happened

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 29s29 seconds ago
But theft never took place. "I never helped him with that," she says. Sachak clarifies never happened at all (they'd been moved). #Bosma
 
Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Theft of lawn mowers never happened. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 38s38 seconds ago
Smich was also supposed to help steal lawn mowers.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 34s34 seconds ago
Smich was also going to be a lookout on that theft (that never happened). Also using walkie talkies. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 15s15 seconds ago
May 10, 2013, #Millard arrested for theft of truck and forcible confinement. Sachak asks if Meneses knew the charges. She says only partly

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 37s38 seconds ago
May 10 Millard was charged w theft and forcible confinement. May 14, charges upgraded to 1st degree murder. She agrees she knew that. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 33s34 seconds ago
She knew Millard arrested May 10 for theft of truck. Not sure about forcible confinement. May 14 knew he was charged 1st degree murder.
 
Meneses says by May 14, she kew Millard had been charged with first-degree murder.
by Adam Carter 10:27 AM

Court saw photos of her and Smich at the wedding on May 19, smiling.
by Adam Carter 10:28 AM

Sachak now asking about "Smichy's Bar" -- Sachak asks if she ever worked there or as a bartender. She says no, but says she did waitress some at a church.
by Adam Carter 10:29 AM
 
molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 27s28 seconds ago
Then on May 19, she and Smich went to the wedding. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 27s28 seconds ago
She heard on May 14, 2013 #Millard charges were elevated to first degree murder. She knew her boyfriend #Smich was involved somehow

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 57s57 seconds ago
Menese questioned on what she knew about DM charges and she didn't want to know more about Smich. @AM900CHML #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 38s39 seconds ago
Sachak is asking about "Smichy's bar." She doesn't know anything about this. Sachak asks if she ever worked at a waitress at this bar. No.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 8s9 seconds ago
Asked if she ever worked at Smychis Bar? She says no. She did waitress at a church though. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 14s14 seconds ago
She did used to waitress, at a church. But was never a bartender at Smichy's (sp?). She seems confused by these questions. #Bosma
 
Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 25s26 seconds ago
Sachak asks if Meneses ever worked in a bar or restaurant. She says she has served at a church. She seems confused.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 4s5 seconds ago
Now Sachak is asking about work at the hangar and whether she enjoyed it. She liked working on cars with Shane. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 18s18 seconds ago
These seem to be housekeeping questions by Sachak — tying up loose ends and clarifying from yesterday's cross. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 8s8 seconds ago
Meneses studied about cars in school and liked to work on the fleet in the #Millard hangar with his mechanic Shane Schlatman

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 10s11 seconds ago
She did not like to clean the washrooms in the hangar.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 12s13 seconds ago
She agrees with Sachak she "appreciated the opportunities Dell gave her." #Bosm
 
Meneses says she enjoyed working on cars at the MIllardAir hangar, and that she learned some about car repair in school.
by Adam Carter 10:30 AM

"You were grateful to Dell for having given you that experience," Sachak says. "Yeah," Meneses responds.
by Adam Carter 10:30 AM

Court now seeing a copy of Meneses' resume. Under "work experience," it says "Smichy's bar tender."
by Adam Carter 10:31 AM
 
Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 18s18 seconds ago
Sachak has her agree that she appreciated the opportunities his client #Millard offered

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 10s11 seconds ago
She liked doing handiwork for Dell, just not cleaning washrooms. #Bosma Sachak showing Meneses her own resume.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 18s18 seconds ago
Sachak is now showing her a copy of her résumé. Under "defining characteristic" she lists cute, motivated, energetic, consistent, attentive.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 14s14 seconds ago
Now looking at Marlena Meneses resume. She's worked at Tim Hortons, MillardAir, and "Smichy's"

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 19s19 seconds ago
She lists Mark Smich and Dellen Millard as her references. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 15s16 seconds ago
Jury seeing her resume. Objective-to be an awesome employee at your establishment" @AM900CHML #TimBosma
 
Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 26s27 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
Defence for Dellen Millard continues to cross Marlena Meneses. He's going through her resume right now. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 25s25 seconds ago
She also lists "bartender, Smichy's Bar" under work experience. That's a lie, she admits. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 21s21 seconds ago
She seemed confused about the bar named "Smichy's" when Sachak asked. "So you lied in your resume." "Yes."

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 8s8 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
Marlena Meneses' resume lists Dell Millard and Mark Smich as her references. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 23s23 seconds ago
"Besides lying to police you also lied to potential employers by creating a position you never had," Sachak suggests. "Right," she says.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 20s20 seconds ago
"Objective: To be an awesome employee of your establishment." #bosma
 
Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 15s15 seconds ago
So aside from lying to police, you've lied to potential employers. Talking about a bar that doesn't exist

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 8s8 seconds ago
She says she wasn't the one that made that--but Sachak says you were the one who handed that out. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 35s35 seconds ago
She says she didn't have a say in it.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 36s37 seconds ago
Experience includes cashier at Tim Hortons and "Smichy's bar tender" and "MillardAir car detailer." #bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 23s24 seconds ago
"Look at the two references," she tells Sachak. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 48s48 seconds ago
"But I was not the one who wrote that resume. I handed it out." Her two references are Dellen #Millard and Mark #Smich
 
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