CANADA RCMP seek Fraser Valley Serial Killer of prostitutes 1995- Vancouver

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http://bc.ctvnews.ca/rcmp-hunt-for-serial-killer-in-3-cold-case-slayings-1.569979
RCMP hunt for serial killer in 3 cold case slayings

Once again, RCMP in British Columbia's Fraser Valley are looking for a serial killer responsible for the murders of at least three sex-trade workers from Vancouver's Downtown Eastside.
Robert Pickton was once thought to have been responsible for their 1995 deaths, but police have since determined he's not the one and on Tuesday asked for public help to track down an entirely different serial killer.
The bodies of Tracy Olajide, Tammy Pipe and Victoria Younker were found in remote areas of the Fraser Valley, east of Vancouver, between August and October of that year.
 
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?269398-Chilliwack-B-C-MELANIE-THOMSON-36-last-seen-Sept-2010&p=12953503#post12953503

This is intriguing, wondering if anyone can figure out what those yellowish specks could be?
Top of my head thought is could it be imprints of burlap, after reading in the LISK thread,( Long Island Serial Killer, of similarly vulnerable women) speculation, imo.

From your link..
rbbm.
But to narrow down the suspect list police need to solve certain mysteries. They want to know exactly what a set of tiny yellow flecks that were found in the crime scene are.


They want to know who had a red four by four that could have navigated the rough terrain in the Valley. McCarl says a fleck of red automotive paint is connected to the killer.


They also showed a set of zap straps that are like one the killer would have used.

On top of that, the team of detectives constantly goes over the patterns of interactions that the victims and the suspects may have had to find new leads.



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The women in '95 were dumped on forest service roads in Mission, there are also TONS of forest service roads in Chilliwack. You can get from Mission to Chilliwack via these FSR's. (I live in Vancouver and camp in both of these areas off FSR's frequently). A lot in common going on here.​

Have seen that type of imprint after foolishly washing small, cheap carpet in washing machine-- flakes of hardened glue maintaining weave of under carpet? speculation.
 
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Very interesting. Very. I know exactly what you are talking about. I wonder how long the bodies were there before they were found? I also wonder if they have had those pieces tested for materials?

From the quick looking around I did it seems as though most of industrial tarps are PVC, but still have a woven like texture (see image).
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https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...ases_rcmp.html
Robert Pickton not the killer in B.C. cold cases: RCMP

A tip line is launched as the RCMP create a profile of the killer responsible for three B.C. slayings dating from 1995.




VANCOUVER—Once again, RCMP in British Columbia’s Fraser Valley are looking for a serial killer responsible for the murders of at least three sex-trade workers from Vancouver’s Downtown Eastside.
Robert Pickton was thought to have been responsible for their 1995 deaths, but police said Tuesday he’s not the one and they’re asking for public help to track down an entirely different serial killer.
The bodies of Tracy Olajide, Tammy Pipe and Victoria Younker were found in remote areas of the Fraser Valley, east of Vancouver, between August and October of that year.


Police have long suspected the three women were killed by the same person who dumped their nude bodies in remote locations near Aggasiz and Mission, but 15 years later police are at a loss to say who that person is.

Staff Sgt. John Cater said investigators hope the renewed media coverage of the women’s deaths will prompt someone to come forward with information, particularly people connected to the sex and drug trades who may have been reluctant to speak with police 15 years ago.
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Just marking my place to follow this one.
 
Since LE have the killer's DNA, wondering if he is far more careful now, or moved on to another area?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/police-look-for-leads-in-cold-case-serial-killings/article1216001/

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He drove a red, four-wheel drive vehicle or pick-up truck. He lived or worked in a remote rural area of British Columbia's Fraser Valley, around Agassiz and Mission. He may have been employed by a local corrections institution, a forestry company or a logging firm. Or maybe he just went fishing, hunting or camping in the area.

The police suspect a second serial killer was active in the same neighbourhood and around the same time as Robert Pickton.

Police believe the murderer felt comfortable in the Downtown Eastside and interacted with these women, he said. Police also believe the offender has an intimate knowledge of the logging roads and areas around Agassiz and Mission, about 125 kilometres east of Downtown Eastside, Staff Sgt. Cater said.

DNA of a possible suspect was associated with Ms. Olajide and Ms. Pipe, he added. Police believe the same person killed Ms. Younker, based on similarities in the evidence related to the three women.
 
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?269398-Chilliwack-B-C-MELANIE-THOMSON-36-last-seen-Sept-2010&p=12953503#post12953503

This is intriguing, wondering if anyone can figure out what those yellowish specks could be?
Top of my head thought is could it be imprints of burlap, after reading in the LISK thread,( Long Island Serial Killer, of similarly vulnerable women) speculation, imo.

From your link..
rbbm.
But to narrow down the suspect list police need to solve certain mysteries. They want to know exactly what a set of tiny yellow flecks that were found in the crime scene are.


They want to know who had a red four by four that could have navigated the rough terrain in the Valley. McCarl says a fleck of red automotive paint is connected to the killer.


They also showed a set of zap straps that are like one the killer would have used.

On top of that, the team of detectives constantly goes over the patterns of interactions that the victims and the suspects may have had to find new leads.



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The Skinny on Burlap

Burlap turns a golden yellow if exposed to the light. Even in my shop, the edges that are exposed to the fluorescent lighting turn a slightly darker colour. People who find the deal of a lifetime at a flea market, a beautiful pattern that’s as old as we are, or new and left exposed to damp and light should be concerned about hooking it. I’ve seen grown women cry as holes explode through their work as the pressure of the metal hook and the packed loops snap the fibers. Do yourself a favour and copy the design over to a new backing, it is the only time I condone copying a pattern.
http://www.encompassingdesigns.com/blog/the-skinny-on-burlap
 
I have to study chemistry to understand the dyeing of textiles. Organic chemistry is not my strong suit. This website Pioneer thinking advises about natural dyes and raw materials.
http://pioneerthinking.com/natural-dyes-2
This is interesting, Herbal Wear?
Herbal wear
Nowadays, herbal wear is also gaining a lot of importance due to its availability at cheaper rate and as garments used as medicine because of their medicinal properties. Generally, garments dyed with natural elements or plants, roots, seeds, flowers, leaves are called herbal wear. Herbal wear has medicinal properties:
. It is anti-allergic.
. It is anti-microbial.
. It has antiseptic properties.
. Such garments have a good breathability.
. The fabric is also eco-friendly as the waste from such herbal dyeing can be transformed into manure.
. It provides pollution free environment.

The Jute plant mentioned here
dyeing
Natural dyes can be used for majority types of material or fibre, but the standard of success in terms of fastness and clarity of color differs significantly. Users of natural dyes, though, are likely to also use natural fibres. Natural fibres are available mainly in two distinct origins, animal origin or vegetable origin. Fibres from an animal origin cover wool, silk, mohair and alpaca, as well as some others which are less accepted. While animal fibres are based on proteins, natural dyes have a well-built attraction to fibres of animal origin, particularly wool, silk and mohair and the outcome of these fibres are normally excellent. Fibres of plant origin include cotton, flax or linen, ramie, jute, hemp and many others. Plant fibres possess cellulose as their basic ingredient. Natural dyeing of such plant based textiles can be less gleeful than their animal equivalent. Various mordant methods are used for each category. When a mixture of fibre of both animal and plant origin is being dyed, then a method should be selected which will stress on the fibre which is required to be dominant.
 
Jute is the name of the plant or fibre that is used to make burlap.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jute
Jute is a long, soft, shiny vegetable fiber that can be spun into coarse, strong threads. It is produced primarily from plants in the genus Corchorus, which was once classified with the family Tiliaceae, and more recently with Malvaceae. The primary source of the fiber is Corchorus olitorius, but it is considered inferior to Corchorus capsularis.[SUP][1][/SUP] "Jute" is the name of the plant or fiber that is used to make burlap, hessian or gunny cloth.
 
The colour of jute will change in the presence of sunlight due to the presence of lignin in the fibre.

Chemical Properties:
Effect of Acids: Easily damaged by hot dilute Acids and conc. cold Acid.
Effect of Alkalis: Fibers are damaged by strong alkali. Fibers losses weight when it heated with caustic soda.
Effect of Bleaches: Resistant to bleaching agents (Bleaching agent, H2O2, NaOcl, Naclo2, Na2O2, CH3COOH, KMnO4, etc.)
Effect of Light: Color changes slightly in presence of sun light. It happens due to presence of lignin in fiber.
Effect of Mildew: Prevention ability is better than Cotton and Linen.
Dyeing ability: Easy to dyeing. Basic dye is used to color jute fiber.
http://textilefashionstudy.com/physical-chemical-properties-of-jute-identity-of-jute-fiber/
 
There is also this outdoor canvas.
https://www.fabricwholesaledirect.com/products/waterproof-outdoor-canvas-fabric?variant=9913481859
The canvas waterproof oxford fabric is perfect for all types of indoor and outdoor use. This fabric is 600x600 denier, 100% polyester and 61/62” wide. The canvas waterproof features a plastic PVC backing with a waterproof coating, making it extremely durable and resilient
This canvas fabric can be used for chair pads, backpacks, cushions, toss pillows, tote bags, heavy duty travel accessories, patio furniture, boat covers and more. The canvas fabric is extremely versatile in its applications and can be used for mass production or simple upholstery projects.
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I hadn't heard of these cases.

I think there are many more serial killers out there than we think.

JMO

WG
 
Michelle Choiniere's remains found in valley, as police allege a 'serial killer' is preying on sex workers.

believe unknown killer behind B.C. deaths
The Canadian Press
Published Wednesday, November 3, 2010 7:16AM EDT

VANCOUVER - Once again, RCMP in British Columbia's Fraser Valley are looking for a serial killer responsible for the murders of at least three sex-trade workers from Vancouver's Downtown Eastside.

Robert Pickton was once thought to have been responsible for their 1995 deaths, but police have since determined he's not the one and on Tuesday asked for public help to track down an entirely different serial killer.


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The bodies of Tracy Olajide, Tammy Pipe and Victoria Younker were found in remote areas of the Fraser Valley, east of Vancouver, between August and October of that year.

All were drug-addicted prostitutes who worked the streets of the impoverished neighbourhood where dozens of sex workers have disappeared in recent decades.

Many of those women ended up on Pickton's farm in Port Coquitlam, but others -- including Olajide, Pipe and Younker -- met a different fate.

Police have long suspected the three women were killed by the same person who dumped their nude bodies in remote locations near Agassiz and Mission, but 15 years later police are at a loss to say who that person is.

Staff Sgt. John Cater said investigators hope the renewed media coverage of the women's deaths will prompt someone to come forward with information, particularly people connected to the sex and drug trades who may have been reluctant to speak with police 15 years ago.

"Hopefully, something will tweak their memory, something strange they've always wondered about and not thought it was important," Cater said in an interview Tuesday.

"Over time, people have life changes, people get out of the criminal culture. People who are addicted often pull out of that and lead different lives. These people may now have the courage or want to come forward and give us information that they were hesitant to for whatever reason many years ago."

Investigators believe the killer may have lived or worked in the rugged areas between Agassiz and Mission where the women were dumped, perhaps visiting the region to hunt or fish, or while working in the forest industry or for corrections.

They also say the suspect's red four-by-four vehicle was likely scratched or damaged during off-road forays to dump the bodies, and he likely wrapped the victims in some type of weathered yellow rain gear before disposing of the remains.

Police once believed the three women's deaths could be linked to Pickton, who was later convicted of six counts of second-degree murder and is now serving a life sentence in prison.

The remains or DNA of 33 women were uncovered on Pickton's farm, but Cater said DNA and forensic evidence long ago excluded Pickton as a suspect in these cases.

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Olajide, 30, who is the sister of former boxing champion Michael Olajide Jr., had "primarily stopped working the street" but was still an active drug user, police said. She had a child. Her body was found Aug. 12, 1995, on a trail near Agassiz.

Pipe's body was found on Sept. 2, 1995, in the middle of a remote side road, where there had been no attempt to conceal it. The RCMP said the 24-year-old frequently gave money and clothing to the poor, but fell into sex work to support her cocaine habit. She was last seen at one of the low-income hotels in the Downtown Eastside.

And Younker's body was found on Oct. 21, 1995, partially decomposed down an embankment at the side of a logging road. The 35-year-old sex worker was last seen Sept. 11, at a government office. She didn't pick up her social assistance cheque on Sept. 25.

In the 1990s, investigators revealed they had a suspect on the three women's deaths -- a convicted rapist already serving time in prison, who they never named.

But DNA has since ruled him out as a suspect, said Cater.

"There was, at the time, a very, very good person of interest and the investigative thinking and everything else led to this individual," he said.

"When we were able to get his DNA, he was actually excluded."

About the same time, police had publicly linked the women's deaths to at least four others, saying they could all be the work of the same killer.

Now, while investigators haven't ruled out the possibility the cases may be related to others, Cater said investigators have been unable to link them.

"I'm not able to say that because the evidence is just not there," he said.

Meanwhile, the head of a forthcoming public inquiry into the failed police investigation into the Pickton case is going on the road looking for input about what information should be included at the hearings.

Former attorney general Wally Oppal will hold community forums in Prince George and Vancouver to hear from people about the effect the tragedy of missing and murdered women has had on their lives.

The first of those forums is scheduled for Dec. 6 in Vancouver.

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  • The partially decomposed body of 35-year-old Victoria Younker was found near Mission, B.C., in October 2005. (Handout)


  • The body of Tammy Pipe was found in a wooded area near Agassiz, B.C., in 1995. Her murder is still unsolved. (Handout)
 
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Michelle Choiniere was involved in prostitution and drug use, a profile similar to that of three women who have been linked to accused serial killer Davey Mato Butorac. However, it is not clear whether the RCMP is investigating him in connection with Choiniere.

After Butorac was charged with two murders last week, RCMP Cpl. Dale Carr said the Integrated HomicideInvestigations Team was “looking at him linked to other homicides.”

Carr said Tuesday he didn’t recall Choiniere being among the files IHIT was reviewing for the Butorac probe, but added it would be standard for investigators to check for any similarities. “That name hasn’t surfaced to my knowledge as an interest in the Butorac case,” Carr said.

“However, we’ll certainly look at it as a possibility to see if there were links because we are open to any and all possibilities,” Carr said.



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Choiniere’s aunt told The Sun Tuesday that bones found in an undisclosed location in the Fraser Valley on Dec. 7 have been confirmed as belonging to the missing woman.

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Although the RCMP announced Choiniere was missing in the fall of 2005, no news release was issued to indicate her remains had been found.

Carr said Tuesday he was unable to reach the lead investigator on the file to confirm the information provided to the The Sun by Choiniere’s aunt.

The B.C. Coroner’s Service and the Surrey RCMP detachment deferred all questions about Choiniere to IHIT.
 
For clarity, the above poorly written article simply means that IHIT had not connected Michelle's killing to Davy Mato Butorac. From the following linked article, it is apparent Michelle's family was notified shortly after the bones were found and identified. This article sets out the sequence of events clearly.

Fall 2005 RCMP announced Michelle was missing
December 2007 unidentified bones were found, subsequently identified as belonging to Michelle
January 7 2008 a memorial service for Michelle was held in her mother's hometown
Tuesday, January 15 2008 Michelle's aunt was aware those bones had been identified as Michelle
Wednesday January 16 2008 RCMP indicating IHIT had not connected Michelle's killing to Butorac
 
Perhaps the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) should consider as a possible suspect this man:


James Allen Kinney
Serial Killer and Rapist
Date of Birth: 11 September 1949
Inmate 835603 Washington State DOC

LINK:

James Allen Kinney, DOB 11 Sept 1949
 

These two are now on this case, and a Mountie always gets his man!
 

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