CO CO - El Paso Co., WhtMale UP11472, 30-40, Midway Ranch area, Nov'86

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The remains were found Nov. 3, 1986, 4 miles west of Interstate 25 in the Midway Ranch area, but experts believe they had been there up to four years, according to an El Paso County Sheriff's Office release.

Forensic autopsy, anthropology and odontology examinations found that the remains were of a Caucasian male, 5-foot-4 to 5-foot-7 and 30 to 40 years old, according to the release. He had a deep overbite and no dental restorations.
http://gazette.com/authorities-hope...n-el-paso-county-30-years-ago/article/1591745

On November 3, 1986, at 11:13 a.m., the El Paso County Sheriff’s Office responded to human remains found 4 miles west of Interstate 25, in the Midway Ranch area. Found with the remains were pieces of Calvin Klein denim jeans size 30/33, bluish/green colored sweatshirt and a 1” wide brown leather belt. No identification was found.
The Calvin Klein denim jeans were manufactured in 1981. Missing Persons files in many jurisdictions were searched over the years and the remains have never been identified.
http://www.kktv.com/content/news/He...his-John-Doe-in-El-Paso-County-405067576.html
 
Doe Network
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/72umco.html

In the poster also Namus link ;)


The Doe Network

72UMCO.jpg

Artistic rendering of the victim


Unidentified Male

Date of Discovery: November 3, 1986
Location of Discovery: Colorado Springs, El Paso County, Colorado
Estimated Date of Death: 1985 to 1986
State of Remains: Not recognizable - Traumatic injuries
Cause of Death: Homicide (Multiple skull fractures, single gunshot wound right temporal region, blunt force trauma to the facial area)
Physical Description

** Listed information is approximate

Estimated Age: 30-40 years old
Race: White
Gender: Male
Height: 5'4" to 5'8"
Weight: Unknown
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Unknown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: Unknown
Dentals: Available. No dental restorations. Several broken and/or fractured teeth. Missing teeth # 8, 10, and 32.
Fingerprints: Not available.
DNA: Sample available - Not yet submitted .
Clothing & Personal Items

Clothing: Blue/green sweatshirt, Calvin Klein jeans (size 30x33), and a brown belt with a yellow metal buckle.
Jewelry: Possible leather watch band or wrist band.
Additional Personal Items: Unknown
Case History

The victim's skeletal remains were located in a field in southern El Paso County.
Investigating Agency(s)

If you have any information about this case please contact;Agency Name: El Paso County Sheriff's Office
Agency Contact Person: Detective Jeff Nohr
Agency Phone Number: 719-520-7155 or 7225
E-Mail
Agency Name: El Paso County Coroner's Office
Agency Contact Person: Robert Bux
Agency Phone Number: 719-390-2450

Agency Case Number: LE: 86-4787; ME: 86A-334
NCIC Case Number: U223901513
NamUs Case Number: UP #11472
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.
Information Source(s)


Namus: https://identifyus.org/cases/11472

 
Doe Network
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/72umco.html

In the poster also Namus link ;)



The Doe Network

72UMCO.jpg

Artistic rendering of the victim


Unidentified Male

Date of Discovery: November 3, 1986
Location of Discovery: Colorado Springs, El Paso County, Colorado
Estimated Date of Death: 1985 to 1986
State of Remains: Not recognizable - Traumatic injuries
Cause of Death: Homicide (Multiple skull fractures, single gunshot wound right temporal region, blunt force trauma to the facial area)
Physical Description

** Listed information is approximate

Estimated Age: 30-40 years old
Race: White
Gender: Male
Height: 5'4" to 5'8"
Weight: Unknown
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Unknown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: Unknown
Dentals: Available. No dental restorations. Several broken and/or fractured teeth. Missing teeth # 8, 10, and 32.
Fingerprints: Not available.
DNA: Sample available - Not yet submitted .
Clothing & Personal Items

Clothing: Blue/green sweatshirt, Calvin Klein jeans (size 30x33), and a brown belt with a yellow metal buckle.
Jewelry: Possible leather watch band or wrist band.
Additional Personal Items: Unknown
Case History

The victim's skeletal remains were located in a field in southern El Paso County.
Investigating Agency(s)

If you have any information about this case please contact;Agency Name: El Paso County Sheriff's Office
Agency Contact Person: Detective Jeff Nohr
Agency Phone Number: 719-520-7155 or 7225
E-Mail
Agency Name: El Paso County Coroner's Office
Agency Contact Person: Robert Bux
Agency Phone Number: 719-390-2450

Agency Case Number: LE: 86-4787; ME: 86A-334
NCIC Case Number: U223901513
NamUs Case Number: UP #11472
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.
Information Source(s)


Namus: https://identifyus.org/cases/11472

The estimated height of 66 inches in Namus for a man is small. I think 5'8" is more realistic. And if he realy was that small that would be a good identifier.

Romulus did you find something about the teeth? Was this the result of the attack, post mortem or just bad theeth?
 
CO CO - WhtMale, 30-40, El Paso Co., Midway Ranch area, 3 Nov 1986
Date found November 03, 1986 00:00 City Colorado Springs, State Colorado, county El Paso
Probable year of death
1982 to 1986
Estimated postmortem interval
Years

Born between 1946 - 1956
Adult - Pre 40
Minimum age
30 years
Maximum age
40 years
Race
White
Ethnicity
Sex
Male
Weight (pounds)
, Cannot Estimate
Height (inches)
66, Estimated
UID estimated 66 inches, between 5’6” – 5’7”, between Ca. 167 cm - 172 cm
Hair and eye colour not known
Calvin Klein denim jeans size 30/33 (manufactured in 1981); Light blue/green fragment identified as a possible sweater or sweat shirt; 1" wide brown belt which was fragmented and partially gnawed upon with yellow metal buckle. Possible leather watch band or wrist band. No shoes…..
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1091dmtx.html within birth range, 5’7”
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http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4726dmmn.html to long 5’9”, to long born in 1951
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3297dmca.html 5’8”, outsite birthrange
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4879dmmd.html to lang 6’1”, born in 1953
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/703dmny.html 5’8”, geboren in 1945, nose/face different imo
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http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1426dmfl.html 5’8”, to long, outsite birth range
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4715dmwi.html 5’8”, to long born ca. 1958, outsite birth range
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4842dmca.html 5’8” to long outsite birth range
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1249dmnv.html 5’8, to long, born 1952 missing from Nevada….different face/ears
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http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/14dmky.html 5’8” outsite birth range
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1902dmfl.html 5’8”, to long, born 1950

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1292dmor.html 5’8” out of birthrange
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/22dmco.html !! colorado, to young, out of birth range

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/428dmny.html 5’4” – 5’6” (64 inched – 65 inches) born in 1952

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3981dmwi.html 5’8” born in 1955, Namus states 68.0 to 69.0 that would mean to long
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/631dmca.html
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3264dmfl.html missing in 1982 of 1983, 5’6” missing location is “off”, but you don’t know where people go, born 1954

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3898dmks.html out of birth range, born 1936
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3345dmco.html Missing from Colorado, El Paso county to young, out of birth range
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4887dmme.html 67 inches, no picture, no DOB (ca. 1952) to long, outsite birth range
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/706dmca.html 6’2’, born 1957, top site tooth missing, to long
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4663dmfl.html 5’7”, born 1959, outsite birth range
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3907dmor.html 5’8”, born 1946

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/708dmtx.html 5’7”, born 1946.
I don’t see it.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4078dmms.html 5’7”, born 1951,

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/644dmca.html 5’8”, born 1953,
totally different face…
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/340dmak.html 5’8”, born 1951

Ruled out
Rodney Olsen 1954 Iowa
Amadeo Vigil 1955 Colorado

I had pictures in the Original document comparing them to the UID reconstructions but you cant copy them in an easy way......can somebody help?
 

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Wow! That is a lot of work, Bit of hope! I don't know how to copy your pictures over but thanks for going through the database and posting. None of them seem to be very close to me. :(

The reconstruction has a very distinctive nose. I wonder how accurate it is?
 
Wow! That is a lot of work, Bit of hope! I don't know how to copy your pictures over but thanks for going through the database and posting. None of them seem to be very close to me. :(


The reconstruction has a very distinctive nose. I wonder how accurate it is?

Actualy it is a rule out list and just a few men that could fit....don't get the AHA feeling with none of them except maybe Richard Allen Rhyne, Nelson Roman, Ricky Eugene Osborn and Daniel Hilkey (but to long)
 
According to Doe Network DNA is now available for this John Doe. I am glad to hear this, as progress is progress.
 
Did not go here for a while...suggestions for following up? Did anyone submit somebody?
 
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Exclusions
MP17627 DOUGLAS BENSIMON 08/20/1985 Palm Beach FL
MP34368 Joseph Burns 08/02/1982 San Francisco CA
MP7614 Ross Crane 02/19/1982 Elk KS
MP28388 Nicholas Dolce 09/02/1986 Las Animas CO
MP8211 Reeves Johnson 02/02/1983 York ME
MP10207 Rodney Olsen 10/18/1986 Cerro Gordo IA
MP7147 Amadeo Vigil 07/11/1980 El Paso CO
MP15624 JAMES WELTER 01/01/1986 Jackson MS

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72UMCO

Dentals
: Available. No dental restorations. Several broken and/or fractured teeth. Missing teeth # 8, 10, and 32. Deep overbite.
Fingerprints: Not available.
DNA: Available.
 

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