Found Deceased Germany: 6 teenagers found dead in garden house.29 January 2017

dotr · Jan 29, 2017

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...b11ed7d8d2a_story.html?utm_term=.d47e16524e4d

Bavarian police say the owner of the garden in Arnstein, about 75 kilometers (46.6 miles) east of Frankfurt, found the bodies of his son, daughter and four others, all aged 18 or 19, on Sunday morning.

He went there to investigate after failing to reach his children, who held a party at the garden on Saturday night.

tlcya · Jan 29, 2017

what on earth

skibaboo · Jan 29, 2017

Good lord

Translated by google

As the police department told Unterfranken and the public prosecutor's office in Würzburg, the dead at the age of 18 and 19 years lay in a garden cottage on a secluded property. They had a party in the house the evening before. The criminal investigation department and the prosecutor's office have taken the investigations. The crime scene was closed on Sunday with fluttering tape.

Wood stove was in operation

The death cause was initially unclear, the dead should be obducted. Hints that would indicate a violent crime were not available on Sunday evening. In the hut there was a wood-burning stove, which was in operation during the celebration. Whether the furnace is related to the deaths, is still completely unclear, said a spokesman.

http://www.rp-online.de/panorama/deutschland/wuerzburg-sechs-junge-leute-tot-in-gartenlaube-gefunden-ursache-unklar-aid-1.6568784

tlcya · Jan 29, 2017

more links but same minimal details provided.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/6-teens-found-dead-in-german-garden-house-1.3261997

http://www.toledoblade.com/World/2017/01/29/Germany-6-teenagers-found-dead-in-garden-house.html

The father made the grim discovery on Sunday morning after wondering why his children hadn't come home from their party the night before, police in Unterfranken said in a statement.

https://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/W...found-dead-after-garden-party-in-germany.ashx

MelmothTheLost · Jan 29, 2017

Woodburning stove? I wonder if carbon monoxide fumes leaked back into the house.

dotr · Jan 29, 2017

MelmothTheLost said:
Woodburning stove? I wonder if carbon monoxide fumes leaked back into the house.

Wondering the same thing..

[h=1]Wood burning stoves can be a 'silent killer', leaking deadly carbon monoxide if not properly fitted[/h]

Around 40 people die in a year across England and Wales from accidental carbon monoxide poisoning

And 4,000 more need to be treated in accident and emergency for CO poisoning

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...n-monoxide-properly-fitted.html#ixzz4XBYgijzZ
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katydid23 · Jan 29, 2017

I am leaning towards the stove too. I kind of hope that was it. They would have all been asleep and not known anything. I'd prefer that to homicide/Overdosing. :rose: :rose: :rose:

musicaljoke · Jan 29, 2017

Apparently Germany doesn't have very strict smoke detector laws, and probably no requirements to have carbon monoxide detectors.

https://www.german-way.com/from-smo...ars-new-and-revised-laws-in-germany-for-2016/

TenaciousTBacon · Jan 29, 2017

Oh goodness. This is so sad.

Shanna_boo1 · Jan 29, 2017

musicaljoke said:
Apparently Germany doesn't have very strict smoke detector laws, and probably no requirements to have carbon monoxide detectors.

https://www.german-way.com/from-smo...ars-new-and-revised-laws-in-germany-for-2016/

They should be mandatory for insurance purposes and for landlords renting homes and then maybe most people would fit them.

musicaljoke · Jan 29, 2017

Shanna_boo1 said:
They should be mandatory for insurance purposes and for landlords renting homes and then maybe most people would fit them.

If these teens died as a result of CO poisoning, then perhaps detectors may become mandatory. It often takes a tragedy to shake up the nation enough to institute a change.

dotr · Jan 29, 2017

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/6-teens-found-dead-in-german-garden-house-1.3261997

Police initally suggested that initial signs pointed to the youths having overdosed on an unknown substance, but later said carbon monoxide poisoning may have been the cause. There was a woodstove discovered in the shed, which had been used that evening, and authorities were reportedly looking at whether it was connected to the youths' deaths.

Vail · Jan 29, 2017

It is hard not to try envisioning how this could happen, how not one of them had a better resistance or position in the house to notice everyone else passing out...ugh it is so horrible!

policyoftruth501 · Jan 29, 2017

No matter what the cause, this is just so terribly sad. However, I would think a wood stove in a garden house might have been properly cleaned like a stove in a home would, leading to poisoning. Hopefully more details will be released soon.

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shadowdancer · Jan 29, 2017

musicaljoke said:
Apparently Germany doesn't have very strict smoke detector laws, and probably no requirements to have carbon monoxide detectors.

https://www.german-way.com/from-smo...ars-new-and-revised-laws-in-germany-for-2016/

I'm surprised by that, the EU normally has a load of regulations to cover every single little thing you can imagine.

Its all so terribly sad that all those young lives were lost, RIP.

al66pine · Jan 29, 2017

A bit off-topic but relevant to CO deaths.

1. Not speculating about laws of Germany, EU, or other countries.
In US some state laws and municipal bldg codes or occupancy ordinances require smoke detectors and CO alarms in single-fam homes, multi-fam dwellings, condos, apts, etc. Yet people here are still injured or killed by house fires and carbon monoxide (CO) poisoning. Safety laws may help reduce those injuries or deaths but sadly cannot necessarily compel complete compliance, e.g., ppl pull batteries out of detectors/alarms for kids to use in toys, then fires or CO can injure or kill residents w no warning.

2. Could these untimely deaths in Germany have been caused by wood burning stove? How quickly?
"Carbon monoxide is an invisible, odorless, colorless gas created when fuels (such as gasoline, wood, coal, natural gas, propane, oil, and methane) burn incompletely....
"CO poisoning can be confused with flu symptoms, food poisoning and other illnesses with symptoms including shortness of breath, nausea, dizziness, light headedness or headaches. High levels of CO can be fatal, causing death within minutes." bbm
In US, "Each year over 200 people die from carbon monoxide produced by fuel burning appliances in the home including furnaces, ranges, water heaters and room heaters."
^ http://www.redcross.org/images/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m4340092_FireCOFactSheet.pdf

Blondie in Spokane · Jan 30, 2017

Checking for updates - can't seem to find any.

Elainera · Jan 31, 2017

The Spiegel confirms today that it was indeed carbon monoxide poisoning. What a tragedy.

Police continues to investigate how this could have happened.

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/gese...enmonoxid-vergiftung-gestorben-a-1132533.html

dotr · Feb 6, 2017

rbbm

BERLIN - German investigators say six teenagers who died of carbon monoxide poisoning at a garden house in Bavaria had been using a gasoline-powered generator that wasn't authorized for indoor use.

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See more at: http://www.timescolonist.com/german...xide-poisoning-1.9712311#sthash.8OJ5fd5q.dpuf

Blondie in Spokane · Feb 6, 2017

Thanks Elaine & dotr- how terribly sad but I guess it was expected.

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