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    The police have apologized after a fragment of bone belonging to a Grenfell fire victim was found in a washing machine after police sent his clothes for cleaning - six months after his funeral.

    The family of Muhammad Saber Neda, who jumped from the tower block, have been forced to hold a second funeral for him.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018...shing-machine/

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    A number of English council have expressed fears that high-rise flats covered in Grenfell-style cladding could be targeted by terrorists and arsonists.

    There are concerns at least 288 towers across England which home thousands and have failed combustibility tests after Grenfell Tower disaster could be targeted.

    Freedom of information requests were sent to 36 councils across England known to have failed towers. One council tower block in Slough, Berkshire has already been attacked by arsonists several times, the local authority confirmed, while another private block has firefighters on guard around the clock.

    The council refused to release details about which buildings had been affected, citing the government's 'concerns that vulnerable buildings could become a target for terrorist activity'.*


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    This is scary I never considered this before.
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    Absolutely greg! Very scary!

    I hope the tenants at least have been informed of the failed tests so they can make the choice to move elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elainera View Post
    I hope the tenants at least have been informed of the failed tests so they can make the choice to move elsewhere.
    This is social sector housing, for which people go on the waiting list for years. It would be very difficult for them to just leave because the rents are subsidised and therefore cheaper than private rentals. Also if they left the property simply out of fear they would be regarded as having made themselves voluntarily homeless and would therefore be not eligible for further housing assistance. (This doesn't apply if people are effectively driven out of their homes by violence or intimidation, eg from neighbours or gangs of teenagers.)

    What needs to happen is for the cladding to be removed as a matter of urgency. I've not seen any reports about what plans are being made to do so. One issue may be the need to remove so much cladding in a very short space of time, considering it has been installed over a 15 or 20 year period. The main purpose of the cladding was to provide energy efficiency, which was the obsession of the Blair/Brown government that was in power from 1997 to 2010.


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    A damning report into the Grenfell Tower fire has revealed that 'nobody wold have died had the building not been re-clad'.

    A 210-page report into the fatal inferno in west London states the fire would have had "little opportunity" to spread from the flat it started in if the exterior of the tower had not been renovated with combustible material.

    According to the report, seen by the Evening Standard , the 2014-2016 refurbishment of the tower block failed to meet fire safety standards and "deficiencies" in the new facade helped the fire to spread up the building's exterior.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...-fire-12372689
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    Wow how sad. So as suspected from the onset all these people lost their lives because the council tried to save money.

    Just imagine you were now living in a tower just like Grenfell, with such cladding. What are these people doing to protect themselves? What can they do? Are they given any options, alternatives? Is the cladding being removed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elainera View Post
    Wow how sad. So as suspected from the onset all these people lost their lives because the council tried to save money.

    Just imagine you were now living in a tower just like Grenfell, with such cladding. What are these people doing to protect themselves? What can they do? Are they given any options, alternatives? Is the cladding being removed?
    Legally the cladding has got to be removed due to health and safety laws and replaced with a more fire retardant version that should have been put on in the first place. It makes you so angry when people die because greedy people and companies tried.

    There is a residential tower block in Glasgow which is fitted with the same cladding as Grenfell and people own their apartments. Because they were built over ten years ago the building regulations on cladding weren’t as good. So the builder is not legally responsible for replacing the cladding. The company which maintains the building wants each flat owner to pay £26,000 to replace the cladding and they are absolutely raging about it.
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    Wow that must be maddening (Glasgow situation). Stuck between a rock and a hard place uh?

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    “In the month after the inferno at Grenfell Tower, 20 desperate local residents tried to take their own lives, according to a new documentary.

    71 people were killed during the blaze in Kensington, west London in June of last year.

    Professor Steve Tombs spoke on a History channel documentary, looking into the Grenfell disaster.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregjrichards View Post
    A damning report into the Grenfell Tower fire has revealed that 'nobody wold have died had the building not been re-clad'.

    A 210-page report into the fatal inferno in west London states the fire would have had "little opportunity" to spread from the flat it started in if the exterior of the tower had not been renovated with combustible material.

    According to the report, seen by the Evening Standard , the 2014-2016 refurbishment of the tower block failed to meet fire safety standards and "deficiencies" in the new facade helped the fire to spread up the building's exterior.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...-fire-12372689
    What this demonstrates is that even though many of these blocks were getting on for 50 years old, there was nothing wrong with the fundamental design of them. The idea of each flat being a separate fire-proof box remains sound.

    I hope the enquiry really does get to the bottom of what went wrong, which as I've said before will, I think, turn out to be a series of errors and miscalculations by different parties.

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