NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #1

[Spice]

I agree with - good insight. This might take time to unravel.

It won't be popular to say this, but there might be some medical/mental issue that caused this desire to plan and carry out mass murder. I'm not 100% sold on that idea, but I'm keeping that theory on the table.

My theories are:
* Physical or mental health issue that impaired his thinking (tumor or mental illness, for examples)
* Revenge against ______ (fill in the blank)
* "Big" suicide. He likes to do things in a big way, but not necessarily a showy way. So he quietly commits suicide, but "big."

What are some more theories? Maybe that will give us something to do while we await more info.

jmopinion

Edited to add: By "quietly" commits suicide, I mean he planned it all out without giving clues of his intention....and then it was "big."

I just read that the brother's are not close at all. (New York Times) 20 years with no contact. And the brother on the news apparently helped him move across the country when he relocated to Mesquite which explains the "I just moved him" comment.

Two of the gunman’s three brothers said they were not close, and the third could not be located. Patrick Paddock said he and his brother had not been in contact for as long as 20 years, and he did not initially recognize the face that flashed on his television screen. He wondered aloud about the motive behind the crime, and expressed profound distress for the victims

. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/u...oter.html?_r=0

Big Suicide is right. He was suicidal and homicidal and the nature of this is obviously very public. He wanted it that way, he wanted an audience. I am confidant that his brother does not truly know him, at least the person that he had become. There is a 20 year gap in their interactions.

Another nugget in that article:

Mr. Paddock and his three brothers were raised by their mother, who told the children that their father had died when in fact he was in prison, Eric Paddock said.

If we had complete access to those family dynamics it would be..interesting.

He was raised to believe his father was dead in lieu of prison. How old was he when he found out his father was very much alive but had held a place on the FBI most wanted list for armed robbery, had escaped prison for 3 years, and evaded capture? (Captured in Vegas?)

His father had suicidal tendencies, was "Psychopathic", and should be considered armed and dangerous.
His father escaped prison and ran a Bingo Parlor ( In Vegas?)

The shooter lived and breathed by gambling. Psychodynamic, subconscious wishes to be like his father? To recapture him somehow?

He was not the simple "lives and mesquite gambles in Vegas" person his brother wants to believe he was.

Obviously not.

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On this YouTube video at 3:04 min looks like the view the shooter may have had. Mandalay Bay 2 bedroom panorama view suite.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_KJGctPxTxs

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[CARIIS]

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I just dont think us looking for such concrete reasons are not there -- it is IMO mental illiness

James Holmes thought he was the Joker

we need some order mental illness can have none

moo

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I just dont think us looking for such concrete reasons are not there -- it is IMO mental illiness

James Holmes thought he was the Joker

we need some order mental illness can have none

moo

Well of course it's going to be some type of mental illness but the so called reason, according to him, is what I'm waiting to hear about. All mass shooters have some conceived reason for doing what they do.

[Amonet]

I would be interested if reports come out in the next few days saying that he was an arrogant, vindictive, control freak.

He gambled, but the news reports say he liked high-stakes video poker. Why that game?

Distance from the other players (similar to the distance from the people down on the ground), feeling that he could read the the other players and beat them (he was better than them, arrogance)?

Reading people like reading animals during a hunt, predicting their next move before they make it.

I think he'd looked out of a window on that side of the casino before and seen the little people walking around, and he'd dreamed of taking pot shots at them.

Something maybe happened that he decided now was the time to live his dream, even if it was the last living thing he ever did.

[Spice]

Well see

We need to put stuff in order. I think we will find that he has a history of invol commit and this is psychosis.

His out of control gambling stuff might be contributory only mo but brother seemed authentic

Ineed and have my lady love bug near == and what is horrid (like using cars to
smush people) this high up random unloading of bullets is now gonna take on.


its all pathetic quite frankly I have not sen the latest numbers -- now of course I will but right now my last was too high really messed up stuff

and they were so trapped
where do you even run to?

total powerlessness

has to be mental illness imo

which I have learned many think is BS obviously my career has shown different

All due respect, he was way too organized and methodical for this to be psychosis. The very nature of psychosis is the antithesis of the ability to function and maintain a linear, goal directed, coherent thought process and thought content to carry something like this out without being discovered prior for bizarre interactions or behavior . The odds of this being actual acute psychosis are nil imo.

In the realm of mental illness this is likely all personality psychopathology and doesn't present so far as a psychotic disorder would.

Also, personality disorders are commonly found in pathological gamblers. I will try to find a reliable source and link. But I do know that's true.

[dizzychick]

wondering if the brother's house in Florida is in his name cause if it's in the shooter's name that brother can kiss it goodbye and rightfully so. At least this guy has assets the victims can claim for some relief.

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