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    My mom would gladly have an injured arm over her post polio syndrome. I have no idea how a vaccine caused an injured arm, but I will take you at your word. Still, the benefits to vaccines outweigh any possible negatives by such a wide margin that I will judge anyone who does not vaccinate their child unless that child is imunosuppressed or has had a life threatening reaction to an earlier vaccine.

    This woman should be in jail and not just for defying the court order. Parents who do not vaccinate their children are potential murderers and their unvaccinated children are the weapons. My mother had aggressive breast cancer 13 years ago. Surgery, chemo, and radiation saved her life. An unvaccinated child who has been exposed to any of the illnesses/diseases vaccines protect them from who comes in contact with my mother will probably kill her. Tonight I sit in the hospital while my mother recovers from Ovarian cancer surgery preceded by three rounds of chemo. You don't get more at risk from unvaccinated kids than that. I will agree that anyone's unvaccinated child can visit with my mother after, and only after, that parent agrees to expose their unvaccinated child to all illnesses/diseases preventable by vaccination. 6 months after exposure, if said child is still alive, that child may visit my mom. Who wants to go first?

    AUTISM IS NOT CAUSED BY VACCINES!! This lie has got to stop. They are not made from dead babies. They are not full of poison and lead and whatever else anyone can think up. GET YOUR CHILDREN VACCINATED!

    As far as I am concerned vaccinations are not choices. They are public health basics. End of story. End of rant.
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    Exactly

    100% agree, not vaccinating children is akin to child abuse. With the science and facts that we have right now it is unheard of for parents to have such big egos to believe that they and Jenny McCarthy know better than virtually every scientist in the world. Not to mention the complete disregard to the factt that any idea of a connect between autism and vaccines has been discredited.

    If a child was allowed in a school unvaccinated that my son was in, I would create the biggest storm possible to have that kid removed or be given proper medical care

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryG12 View Post
    Many times I wish that chicken pox vaccine existed before I contracted it during my sophomore year in high school, around 1982. I was very sick for a few weeks and developed some complications from having it.

    I will say I am pro-vaccine, and if I had children, would make sure they all had their vaccines like I did.

    Back in my day (1970's, early 1980's), a kid could not attend school without proof of being vaccinated.
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    Mary, just wanted to commiserate! I had chicken pox at the age of 15/16 in the 80's as well. It started with fever and vomiting and then I developed "pox" in EVERY possible mucous membrane (if you get what I'm saying ). The doctor "prescribed" calamine lotion---apparently that was still cutting-edge science at the time, LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by ninij9 View Post
    I was a hold out for the chicken pox vaccine when introduced. I refused time and time again. I was harrassed by my children's pediatrician and his Staf. I held out until it became law. I knew what Chicken pox could do. I wasn't so sure about the New vaccine. The same goes for the hpv vaccine. I have refused that as well. I agree some vaccines are needed, but I'm uncomfortable with blind compliance when it comes to the health of your children. I refuse all canine shots for my dogs as well. They do get mandatory rabies shots, but that is all.
    I feel for this mom. I can't say vaccines were connected to autism. I can't say they are not. Scientists change their minds way more often than I am comfortable with regarding what's healthy and what is not.

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    I agree and I do not blindly trust the pharmaceutical companies to be looking out my health and my children's health. They have taken out so many of the ingredients over the years. From what I have read, it seems, generally speaking that they are looking out for their bank accounts to get bigger and bigger.

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    What other countries mandate childhood vaccines? I guess I could google, lol. I just saw upthread that the UK doesn't. Interesting.

    Chickenpox went thru my kids school. Lot of kids got it. Everyone I knew vaccinated, so I was curious when many got it. Maybe the vaccine doesn't always work?

    If you're worried about unvaccinated kids here, I'd worried about traveling and being in airports.

    Hell to the no on the 5 in 1 type of vaccines. If my child does have a reaction, how am I supposed to know and report which one it was? We did a delayed schedule that our ped recommended and never did the 5 in 1 type. We also recorded directly onto the vaccination chart the lot #, etc in case there was a reaction. That way we could report it.

    The different vaccine schedules from country to country is very interesting.

    Rebecca was the primary custody parent and Michigan is a state where you can be exempt? If that is the case, that is very unsettling.

    http://www.michigan.gov/mdhhs/0,5885...4843--,00.html
    Immunization Waiver Information
    In December, 2014, the Joint Committee on Administrative Rules approved a new educational requirement for Michigan parents opting their children out of getting vaccinated before entering school.

    The new rule allows parents/guardians to have the opportunity to speak with a health educator from their local health department about their concerns and questions regarding immunizations prior to the nonmedical waiver being signed.

    Any parent/guardian who wants to claim a nonmedical waiver will need to receive education regarding the benefits of vaccination and the risks of disease from a county health department before obtaining the certified nonmedical waiver form through the Local Health Department. The new rule requires the use of the State of Michigan nonmedical waiver form dated January 1, 2017.
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    I'm looking around online about other countries and their schedules and ran across this, lol:

    Donald Trump says vaccinations are causing an autism 'epidemic'
    Donald Trump claimed autism rates are 'totally out of control'

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-10505087.html

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    Vaccines don't always work. Strains evolve. Herd immunity is important. Generally though, an infection in a vacinnated person tends to be shorter and less severe....

    Related link: https://medium.com/@gidmk/are-vaccin...r-83cc8212a78f
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    Is everyone here (in this thread) up to date on their vaccines and boosters? I don't remember doctors asking me about anything other than tetanus and the flu shot as an adult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppyflower View Post
    Is everyone here (in this thread) up to date on their vaccines and boosters? I don't remember doctors asking me about anything other than tetanus and the flu shot as an adult.
    Yes, I am. Although I'm too young for the shingles vaccine, dammit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluesneakers View Post
    Yes, I am. Although I'm too young for the shingles vaccine, dammit.
    What is the age for that one? My dad had shingles, he is not one to complain and he said it was annoying as hell, lol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppyflower View Post
    What is the age for that one? My dad had shingles, he is not one to complain and he said it was annoying as hell, lol.
    It's 65 here unless you want to pay for it. I had shingles a few years ago and thought I was going to die. Maybe that was just wishful thinking.

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    Oakland Co. vaccine case judge gets threats online

    Critics have made online threats against the Oakland County judge who is presiding*over a case*involving a parent who refuses*to vaccinate her child.

    A number of threats against*Oakland County Circuit Court Judge Karen McDonald, including calls for her death,*have been made on social media and other websites.

    The Oakland County Sheriff's Office said it has investigated the threatening comments, which were made on various Facebook pages and blogs, and consulted with the Oakland County Prosecutor's Office. Officials determined none of the comments, which came from people as far away as California and Texas, break*any laws...*

    http://www.detroitnews.com/story/new...ine/817626001/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppyflower View Post
    Is everyone here (in this thread) up to date on their vaccines and boosters? I don't remember doctors asking me about anything other than tetanus and the flu shot as an adult.
    I've been getting annual flu shot for the last few years and plan to do the 2-shot pneumonia course next month and next year. No recent tetanus and no shingles shot - yet. Will consider both if/when physician recommends. I'm doing B12 shots and monthly allergy injections, so that's enough poking for now

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    Vaccine opt-outs worry Michigan health officials

    Lansing — Michigan vaccine waiver rates for school-age children ticked up in 2016 but remain well below 2014 levels after the state began requiring parents to attend educational sessions if they want to delay or decline immunizations.

    While public health officials say the parental mandates implemented in 2015 have helped discourage vaccine opt-outs, Michigan’s kindergarten waiver rate still ranks 11th highest in the nation, and some lawmakers want to undo the new state rule.

    Data from the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services shows 3.2 percent of kindergartners and seventh-graders received immunization waivers in 2016. That’s down from 4.8 percent in 2014 but up from 3.1 percent in 2015.

    Michigan was among 36 states that last year experienced a kindergarten waiver rates increase.

    “What we’re seeing is more vaccine hesitancy, more vaccine-resistant parents,” said Bob Swanson, division of immunization director for the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services. “And that’s a concern to all of us.” ...

    http://www.detroitnews.com/story/lif...als/107971824/

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