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Las Vegas shooting death toll rises to 59, no apparent connection to international terror

The shooter, perched on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel, sent more than 22,000 country music fans scrambling for their lives.
One witness described the shooting as "non-stop gunfire."


Las Vegas Shooting Live Updates: Multiple Weapons Found in Gunman’s Hotel Room

The police found the gunman, whom they identified as Stephen Paddock, 64, dead in his room at the hotel. Investigators were still combing through Mr. Paddock’s background and searching his home on Monday.

How the Shooting in Las Vegas Unfolded

http://time.com/4965896/las-vegas-shooting-victims-names/

Las Vegas shooting victims: Portraits of the fallen

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Good Evening Everyone,

We will not allow this discussion to go off the rails.

Do not discuss anything but the tragedy in Las Vegas and all that is connected to the shooting.

If people start insulting each other I will give you a long time out or a lifetime ban.

This is very easy to do so understand what I am about to tell you: DO NOT GET PERSONAL!!!!!!

What does getting personal have to do with the shooting in Vegas?

Not one single person cares what you think of another poster's opinion and therefore you are making this thread about YOU!!

I am asking nicely.

Keep on topic and don't get personal.

We have enough anger in the world. Let's leave it at the door and have a civil discussion, shall we?

Tricia
 
I keep reading that interview with his former property manager in TX. She met him in 2006 and they became close friends very quickly. She knew him 'better than a wife would' and hung out with him a lot. But people who knew him most recently have a very different opinion, someone who didn't want to be around or see other people, drank a lot, unfriendly, hardly the type you would expect to use your Netflix account to watch romantic comedies.
I wonder if the change in his personality happened even earlier than we thought.
 
I keep reading that interview with his former property manager in TX. She met him in 2006 and they became close friends very quickly. She knew him 'better than a wife would' and hung out with him a lot. But people who knew him most recently have a very different opinion, someone who didn't want to be around or see other people, drank a lot, unfriendly, hardly the type you would expect to use your Netflix account to watch romantic comedies.
I wonder if the change in his personality happened even earlier than we thought.

I am thinking Jekyll and Hyde personality for Stephen Paddock.
 
Psychopathy is defined as antisocial Personality Disoder in DSM-5 (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, fifth edition).

After hearing his acquaintaines describe him, and then reading this definition, its easy to understand the confusion in why he did this horrible deed. Clearly, he was not exhibiting outward characteristics described below in the past 10 years or earlier.


Symptoms & Criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder

According to the DSM-5, there are four diagnostic criterion, of which Criterion A has seven sub-features.

A. Disregard for and violation of others rights since age 15, as indicated by one of the seven sub features:

Failure to obey laws and norms by engaging in behavior which results in criminal arrest, or would warrant criminal arrest. Lying, deception, and manipulation, for profit tor self-amusement, Impulsive behavior Irritability and aggression, manifested as frequently assaults others, or engages in fighting. Blatantly disregards safety of self and others, A pattern of irresponsibility andLack of remorse for actions (American Psychiatric Association, 2013)

The other diagnostic Criterion are:

B. The person is at least age 18,

C. Conduct disorder was present by history before age 15

D. and the antisocial behavior does not occur in the context of schizophrenia or bipolar disorder (American Psychiatric Association, 2013)

https://www.theravive.com/therapedia/antisocial-personality-disorder-dsm--5-301.7-(f60.2)

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I am interested in his transferring of money for his gf. There is a process.

https://www.finder.com/laws-legal-d...s?country_from=USA&country_to=PHL&amount=5000

He had to plan it.

To me, it is strange because he could kill all of these people no problem.

His gf thought that he may be breaking up with her.

A psychopath would not care what happened to a gf would he?

Investigators are looking into a large sum of money Mr. Paddock transferred to Ms. Danley in the Philippines shortly before the attack.

Ms. Danley, who was born in the Philippines, said in a statement Wednesday that Mr. Paddock wired her the money so that she could buy a house for herself and her family. She said she feared it meant he was breaking up with her. Some media reports have put the amount of the transfer at $100,000.

Officials at the Philippines Anti-Money Laundering Council and the National Bureau of Investigation declined to comment on whether they were looking into the transaction.

Other Philippine officials, who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the subject, said that any overseas transfer of more than $10,000 was supposed to be flagged for review but that few were actually examined.

The volume of money transfers is so great, they said, that only questionable transactions or those involved in a crime are investigated. Even a transfer of $100,000 would not raise have raised any eyebrows, said a former United States law enforcement official who has worked in the Philippines. About 10 million Philippines citizens live overseas and send home more than $2 billion a month, according to government figures.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/06/us/las-vegas-shooting.html
 
Here is a NYT article. Sounds like he was prepared to kill people several decades ago, using similar tactic. Got on the roof with a gun waiting for rioters. I presume rioters didn't show up.
"He was also willing to fight to defend what was his. During the riots in Los Angeles in the 1990s, he went to the roof of an apartment complex he owned in a flak jacket and armed with a gun, waiting for the rioters..."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/07/us/stephen-paddock-vegas.html
 
Psychopathy is defined as antisocial Personality Disoder in DSM-5 (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, fifth edition).

After hearing his acquaintaines describe him, and then reading this definition, its easy to understand the confusion in why he did this horrible deed. Clearly, he was not exhibiting outward characteristics described below in the past 10 years or earlier.


Symptoms & Criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder

According to the DSM-5, there are four diagnostic criterion, of which Criterion A has seven sub-features.

A. Disregard for and violation of others rights since age 15, as indicated by one of the seven sub features:

Failure to obey laws and norms by engaging in behavior which results in criminal arrest, or would warrant criminal arrest. Lying, deception, and manipulation, for profit tor self-amusement, Impulsive behavior Irritability and aggression, manifested as frequently assaults others, or engages in fighting. Blatantly disregards safety of self and others, A pattern of irresponsibility andLack of remorse for actions (American Psychiatric Association, 2013)

The other diagnostic Criterion are:

B. The person is at least age 18,

C. Conduct disorder was present by history before age 15

D. and the antisocial behavior does not occur in the context of schizophrenia or bipolar disorder (American Psychiatric Association, 2013)

https://www.theravive.com/therapedia/antisocial-personality-disorder-dsm--5-301.7-(f60.2)

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Hare Psychopathy Checklist
http://www.minddisorders.com/Flu-Inv/Hare-Psychopathy-Checklist.html

The twenty traits assessed by the PCL-R score are:
glib and superficial charm
grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self
need for stimulation
pathological lying
cunning and manipulativeness
lack of remorse or guilt
shallow affect (superficial emotional responsiveness)
callousness and lack of empathy
parasitic lifestyle
poor behavioral controls
sexual promiscuity
early behavior problems
lack of realistic long-term goals
impulsivity
irresponsibility
failure to accept responsibility for own actions
many short-term marital relationships
juvenile delinquency
revocation of conditional release
criminal versatility

Injustice Collectors
http://www.psybersquare.com/family/family_injustice.html

1.) Injustice Collectors are convinced that they are never wrong. How is it possible that they are never wrong? It is simple: They are always right.

2.) Injustice Collectors never apologize. Ever. For anything.

3.) Injustice Collectors truly believe that they are morally and ethically superior to others and that others chronically do not hold themselves to the same high standards as the injustice collector does.

4.) Injustice Collectors make the rules, break the rules and enforce the rules of the family. They are a combined legislator, police, and judge and jury of

5.) Injustice Collectors never worry about what is wrong with themselves as their "bad list" grows. Their focus is always on the failings of others.

6.) Injustice Collectors are never upset by the disparity of their rules for others with their own expectations of themselves.

7.) Injustice Collectors rationalize their own behavior with great ease and comfort.

Here are more with 20 characteristics
http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/11/25/are-they-injustice-collector

Characteristics of Injustice Collectors

1. Injustice collectors are never wrong. How is it possible that they are never wrong? It's simple: They are always right.

2. Injustice collectors never apologize. Ever. For anything.

3. Injustice collectors truly believe they are morally and ethically superior to others and that others seem incapable of holding themselves to the same high standards as the injustice collector does.

4. Injustice collectors make the rules, break the rules and enforce the rules of the family. They are a combination of legislator, police, judge and jury to those they consider their subjects. They forever banish from their kingdom any subject they deem disloyal, and only grant clemency if there is sufficient (in their eyes) contrition.

5. Injustice collectors never worry about what is wrong with them as their "bad" list grows. Their focus is always on the failings of others.

6. Injustice collectors are never troubled by the disparity between their rules for others and their own expectations of themselves. Injustice collectors rationalize their own behavior with great ease and comfort.

7. Injustice collectors have an external orientation; the problem always exists in the world, outside of themselves, and in their view, the world would be an acceptable place if their rules and standards were followed at all times.

8. Injustice collectors do not have a capacity for remorse, empathy or guilt.

9. Injustice collectors scoff at the idea of therapy, therapists, self-help books, and other tools used by people who struggle to live with them.

10. The phrase "walking on eggshells" describes life with an injustice collector.

11. The IC (injustice Collector) will prey upon your weaknesses to frame all issues in their terms.

12. IC's will always cry foul when you are 'mean' to them and accuse you of being nasty when you are confronting them with their negative behavior.

13. They are titanically insecure and cannot trust anyone. All relationships they have, even with their own parents and children and trustless and must be reinforced by subordination over and over.

14. They can only strengthen relationships through imprisoning their mates and banning behaviors and other relationships. Friends and family are a huge threat to the IC.

15. They must repetitively revisit situations where you service them, give in to them and agree with them. They will over time shrink your world to a small plot of empty activities that only they like. They are terrified of travel, meeting new people, understanding new concepts and paroling you from any punishment they have previously 'convicted' you of.

16. They do not care about you at all, they care about aggrandizing themselves with you as an assistant producer.

17. They will occasionally do something for you, but if you are not completely brainwashed, it will be a negative experience for you in the end. Example is throwing you a birthday party. I guarantee you will not have fun at your own party.

18. They will force you to choose between them and other things you like or love. The more you choose them, the more they will make you choose them over and over. They do not understand the concept of loyalty at all.

19. Hypocrisy is their modus operandi for debating and arguing with you. Everything they say about you is true about them. (aka Projection) It makes it so you try to 'win' fights by getting them to agree with you, which they never can because their whole position is false.

20. Your life will disappear into their lives. Your hopes and dreams will fade, even in your own mind. You will eat what they want, you will watch what they want on TV, you will vacation where they want, or not at all.

Injustice Collectors show similarities to psychopaths. They lack empathy and always justify their behavior. They see themselves as doing nothing wrong. They are often perpetual victims. When you think about it, injustice collectors are extreme narcissists.
 
I am interested in his transferring of money for his gf. There is a process.

https://www.finder.com/laws-legal-d...s?country_from=USA&country_to=PHL&amount=5000

He had to plan it.

To me, it is strange because he could kill all of these people no problem.

His gf thought that he may be breaking up with her.

A psychopath would not care what happened to a gf would he?

Didn’t he own apartment complexes? If so, he likely had LLCs. I promise you I never had to do anything other than log into our account from my computer, enter the info regarding the receiving end, and then enter the current numbers on my key fob, in order to send an international wire from our business account. I was sending said wires to turkey, and they ranged from $50k-$250k per week. I’d say turkey would raise more flags than the Philippines and I never had to jump thru hoops. So if he had a business account he may not have had to do much other than log into his account and do it online. JMO
 
Bringing over

interesting stuff learned

[h=2]Tid Bits/Nuance[/h]
Mr. Paddock, a former postal worker and tax auditor

is this first time we hear tax auditor?

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Marilou Danley, told investigators that he seemed to be deteriorating in recent months both mentally and physically.

Dixie Gunworx in St. George, Utah. Chris Michel, the owner, said Mr. Paddock visited the store three times in January and February, making the 40-minute drive from Mesquite, Nev.

an hour and half drive to buy legal stuff?

that has to imo mean something or growing paranoia!!

From an early age, he focused on gaining complete control over his life

Paddock began buying and refurbishing properties in economically depressed areas around Los Angeles, teaching himself how to put in plumbing and install air-conditioning.

the late 1980s, “we had cash flow,” said Eric Paddock, who added that he had given his life savings to his older brother

two failed marriages, both short

arrogant, with a strong sense of superiority. People in his life bent to his will, even his mother and brother. He went out of his way for no one.

“He acted like everybody worked for him and that he was above others,” former executive casino host at the Atlantis Casino Resort Spa in Reno, where he saw Mr. Paddock frequently from 2012 to 2014.

Paddock wanted food while he was gambling, he wanted it immediately and would order with more than one server if the meal did not arrive quickly enough.

Mr. Weinreich said he would get irritated and “uppity about it.”

“I would liken him to a chess player: very analytical and a numbers guy...seemed to be working at a higher level mentally than most people I run into in gambling.”

he rented a hangar for $285 a month from 2007 through 2009. He also stored planes at the small airport in Henderson, Nev., from 2002 to 2010, an airport spokesman said, though it is not clear he ever lived at the local addresses to which they had been registered.

I dont know kinda sounds like he rented em out and then rented at profit to real plane owners!!

moo

brothers would fight over who would get the whole milk. Powdered milk, less tasty but cheaper, was the norm

neighborhood was working class,

took a science class with Mr. Paddock and remembered him as smart but with “a kind of irreverence. He didn’t always stay between the lines.”
He recalled a competition to build a bridge of balsa wood, without staples or glue. Mr. Paddock cheated, he said, using glue and extra wood.
“Everybody could see that he had cheated, but he just sort of laughed it off,” Mr. Alarcon said. “He had that funny quirky smile

First building he bought ( 30 units)

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close to collage

those that are good at this

30-unit building at 1256 W. 29th Street

what would it cost in 1987 or now worth ??


they were excellent investments: Stephen Paddock more than doubled his money on his California holdings, which included at least six multifamily residences, according to property records. He made money in Texas, too. In 2012, he sold a 110-unit building in Mesquite, outside Dallas, for $8.3 million.
He was a good landlord. He kept the rents low, responded promptly to his tenants’ complaints, learned all their names and made sure they were happy.

starting to wonder if brother was telling truth!!!

installed his mother in a tidy house just behind the apartment complex in Mesquite, Tex.

During the riots in Los Angeles in the 1990s, he went to the roof of an apartment complex he owned in a flak jacket and armed with a gun, waiting for the rioters,


focused and astute when he made deals.
“He was a tough negotiator,” Mr. Franks said. “He wanted his price. His terms. He was a very savvy businessman.”

“He liked everyone doting on him.”

Paddock stayed in one Las Vegas hotel gambling for four months straight,

midlevel high roller, capable of losing $100,000 in one session, which could extend over several days

Mr. Paddock may have lost that amount at the Red Rock Casino in Las Vegas within the last few months.

His game, video poker, requires some skill. Players have to know the history of a particular machine. They can do that by reading a pay table, which tells them what each possible winning hand pays out.

One of the ways that video poker players get an advantage is to play casino promotions, which essentially pay out bonuses to winners,

knew the house advantage down to a tenth of a percent,

good standing with MGM Properties, the owner of the Mandalay and the Bellagio,

had a $100,000 credit limit, ( is that congruent I thought he spent 160,000 recently?

his 60th birthday, April 9, 2013, he flew to the Philippines on Japan Airlines and stayed for five days, according to a spokeswoman for the Philippine Bureau of Immigration. The family of Ms. Danley, his girlfriend, lived there and she was visiting the country at the time. The couple went again for his birthday the following year.

When he did appear at his Reno home, he could be curt. .....“Merry Christmas!” Mr. Paddock kept walking. “

when Mr. McKay tried to strike up a conversation with Mr. Paddock about Donald Trump during the election campaign, he got no response.
“Almost everyone has a reaction to Trump,

He always walked across the street and would never pass in front of our house.”

rarely saw a window or a door open at the house.

Mesquite, Nev., a retirement community of 18,000 people a....attracts golfers and gamblers

Mr. Paddock was a man who did not want to be seen.

Danley worked in Mesquite. She took a job booking sports bets----watching horse races

Mesquite

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outfit : tight black skirts.

she attended morning mass--Ms. Danley dressed smartly and modestly, he said. She usually sat alone.






http://abcnews.go.com/US/portrait-emerging-las-vegas-shooter-man-descending-madness/story?id=50275427


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/07/u...ock-vegas.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.4e269b8a993f


https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...act=mrc&uact=8



 
Didn’t he own apartment complexes? If so, he likely had LLCs. I promise you I never had to do anything other than log into our account from my computer, enter the info regarding the receiving end, and then enter the current numbers on my key fob, in order to send an international wire from our business account. I was sending said wires to turkey, and they ranged from $50k-$250k per week. I’d say turkey would raise more flags than the Philippines and I never had to jump thru hoops. So if he had a business account he may not have had to do much other than log into his account and do it online. JMO

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Didn’t he own apartment complexes? If so, he likely had LLCs. I promise you I never had to do anything other than log into our account from my computer, enter the info regarding the receiving end, and then enter the current numbers on my key fob, in order to send an international wire from our business account. I was sending said wires to turkey, and they ranged from $50k-$250k per week. I’d say turkey would raise more flags than the Philippines and I never had to jump thru hoops. So if he had a business account he may not have had to do much other than log into his account and do it online. JMO

I learned this stuff May be wrong in memory From FinCen stuff with Trump

I dont think it is about IRS IIRC it has something to do with if banks are connected to our banks the banks are required to document stuff over 10K

I dont think they report it anywhere they just have to document

then if they want info they can subpoena

may be confused
 
I keep reading that interview with his former property manager in TX. She met him in 2006 and they became close friends very quickly. She knew him 'better than a wife would' and hung out with him a lot. But people who knew him most recently have a very different opinion, someone who didn't want to be around or see other people, drank a lot, unfriendly, hardly the type you would expect to use your Netflix account to watch romantic comedies.
I wonder if the change in his personality happened even earlier than we thought.

Pure speculation

I think we may be talking about infatuation at some level moo
 
Numerous articles mentioning MD being present from time to time at gun shops. IMO, he may have portrayed his purchases as a hobby and an investment to her and others -- much like his interest in real estate.

Mr. Michel recalled Mr. Paddock saying that he was stopping at a number of local gun dealers, that he had retired and moved to the area, and that he was trying to get back into his hobbies.

When it came to guns, Mr. Michel said, “he was not a novice.”

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

An interesting tidbit here buried at the bottom. He evidently put himself through college by working at an airport.

Mr. Paddock spent his 20s and 30s trying to escape the unpredictability of poverty. He worked nights at an airport while going to the California State University, Northridge,


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Didn’t he own apartment complexes? If so, he likely had LLCs. I promise you I never had to do anything other than log into our account from my computer, enter the info regarding the receiving end, and then enter the current numbers on my key fob, in order to send an international wire from our business account. I was sending said wires to turkey, and they ranged from $50k-$250k per week. I’d say turkey would raise more flags than the Philippines and I never had to jump thru hoops. So if he had a business account he may not have had to do much other than log into his account and do it online. JMO

ot
Ok guys

this is all your fault

I let it fill first !!

this is the second time i started the washer and it spun out before i put the darn stuff in it

good lord !!

I need some emotional support here

have you ever done this

2X in a row !!!!
 
I learned this stuff May be wrong in memory From FinCen stuff with Trump

I dont think it is about IRS IIRC it has something to do with if banks are connected to our banks the banks are required to document stuff over 10K

I dont think they report it anywhere they just have to document

then if they want info they can subpoena

may be confused

That would make sense to me.
 
Have we heard anything about him going to practice ranges anywhere?
 
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