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Las Vegas shooting death toll rises to 59, no apparent connection to international terror

The shooter, perched on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel, sent more than 22,000 country music fans scrambling for their lives.
One witness described the shooting as "non-stop gunfire."


Las Vegas Shooting Live Updates: Multiple Weapons Found in Gunman’s Hotel Room

The police found the gunman, whom they identified as Stephen Paddock, 64, dead in his room at the hotel. Investigators were still combing through Mr. Paddock’s background and searching his home on Monday.

How the Shooting in Las Vegas Unfolded

http://time.com/4965896/las-vegas-shooting-victims-names/

Las Vegas shooting victims: Portraits of the fallen

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This is NOT a political debate. There will be zero tolerance for politicizing this American tragedy. Period. We will discuss the case, the shooter, the victims, the crime. Posts that are not compliant with this rule will be removed and members risk losing their posting privileges if they do not abide.
 
Good Evening Everyone,

We will not allow this discussion to go off the rails.

Do not discuss anything but the tragedy in Las Vegas and all that is connected to the shooting.

If people start insulting each other I will give you a long time out or a lifetime ban.

This is very easy to do so understand what I am about to tell you: DO NOT GET PERSONAL!!!!!!

What does getting personal have to do with the shooting in Vegas?

Not one single person cares what you think of another poster's opinion and therefore you are making this thread about YOU!!

I am asking nicely.

Keep on topic and don't get personal.

We have enough anger in the world. Let's leave it at the door and have a civil discussion, shall we?

Tricia
 
Hi Everyone

Please remember absolutely no media sources unless they are mainstream, law enforcement or the few Websleuths approved blogs.

If your source is considered a right-wing conspiracy page or a left-wing conspiracy page you can rest assured it is not approved on Websleuths.

What happens if we allow these pages is the discussion goes off the rails and ends up as far out there as the rings around Saturn. It makes Websleuths look ridicules.

Stick to the facts as we know them.

Thanks,
Tricia
 
Thanks, Tricia and Mods for all your patience and hard work. We appreciate it!
 
From last thread

LE had nO reason to examine his hands, he had been shot in the leg reportedly.
These were 'independant' journalists in their own minds, its possible they didn't have press credentials either.
But presser was handled badly by Sheriff and FBI.
All journalists remarked on that.. all were tarred with same brush..

Answering hard questions is part of his job.
He didn't like the press coverage he had received.. but spacing out pressers and then throwing them at an hours notice is asking for trouble.
There was no good reason not to allow CNN to do their slot.. journos were also asked to be there by 10,15.. it was extremely short notice.


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IMO of course they should have. In ten seconds someone concludes he is a victim and then he goes on vacation.

How would LE know that he does not need his hands checked out when he is 8 feet from the door of the biggest mass shooting in history.

That is just as not ok as declaring - out of the blue - 2 hours later - that it was sole actor.

IMO that is not an investigation

In a whole bunch of these it takes weeks to determine if there is a network or solo.

For some reason in this instance they were able to declare a lone wolf, before they even got in his room

and have stuck to that since they decided he was alone a couple of hours later

Have Le ever explained how they came to this conclusion with blinding speed?

Exactly how does a Sheriff do that in two hours ?

The scene had not been investigated when this dude is declaring this was a lone wolf.

Where is the evidence for that?
 
Has anyone seen a pic of the tanks up close
 
Betty P said:
Thanks for the link:
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I read that part. I am curious to know if this is all MGM properties? Just this one? All hotels in Vegas? Etc. I would think a LOT of crap happens in those hallways especially in Vegas. With parties etc. I really surprised. I mean regardless how much money they spend on security, getting up quickly to the 32nd floor by any human isn't as quick as a camera in a control room. JMO




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Since I don't know how to reply to something in a previous thread, I'm quoting Canadiangirl here:

I need to ask a question. Why is it if it's only in MSM it is a creditable source, but reports from people THERE are not creditable? Journalists report on what they are paid to report. And if they are independent they are CT. So do some digging and look for information from REAL people who were there. You can tell they were there. Pics of themselves and friends at the event etc. I for one have zero reason not to believe and respect these people who were actually at the tragedy. It irritates me that people discount them.*

Not personally attacking vmmking. The post just triggered my response.*

My reply:

One big reason is because if it's from SM only, we have no idea if that person was in in LV, let alone if they had their device confiscated. SM allows anyone to claim anything to a wide audience and attention seekers and others with other, more nefarious motives, have been known to post false information before. Some have even raised thousands of dollars on their fake claims and been caught and prosecuted.

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there is no evidence at all to suggest that it was either his decision or choice to renege. all evidence has pointed towards his boss, preventing the interview.

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imo

people are typically told to shut and vanish for a reason


the real question in this area is who and why so people think he needs to be guarded

needing 24/7 security means something

typically people don't need to be guarded if the only perp involved is dead

i would also tend to believe that people who for some reason need 27/7 security are not hanging out with the boy scouts!!

moo
 
Regarding witness statements — here is the link to the JFK docu I was talking about

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vvV5v5wkpjg

the segment about witness confusion about where the shots came from starts at 34:00 and a minute later is the Iraq thing I was talking about.

So I would have we have the pretty similar situation here — on some videos you hear people talking its firecrackers and that afters couple of salvos went by. It was a women on one video who even says „the always say its firecrackers but this is a gun“. I wouldn’t put too much weight on testimony regarding where the shooting was heard and how many shooters appeared to be, because if we can learn something from JFK case where every audio/video recording, photo and statement was microanalysed for the last 54 years it is that such testimony is unreliable. We better stick to cold hard evidence, provided we will get some. The boston 25 fox affiliate should try to get more photos from the source that leaked the room photos and the hallway video.
 
Jennifer17 said:
It is far more likely that Fox had not secured his agreement to do an interview and he is stressed out from people accusing him of being involved.
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Could be--CNN, ABC, NBC etc...had interviews scheduled with him too. They all could be lying about securing agreements with him.
 
CARIIS said:
From last thread

LE had nO reason to examine his hands, he had been shot in the leg reportedly.
These were 'independant' journalists in their own minds, its possible they didn't have press credentials either.
But presser was handled badly by Sheriff and FBI.
All journalists remarked on that.. all were tarred with same brush..

Answering hard questions is part of his job.
He didn't like the press coverage he had received.. but spacing out pressers and then throwing them at an hours notice is asking for trouble.
There was no good reason not to allow CNN to do their slot.. journos were also asked to be there by 10,15.. it was extremely short notice.


=========================

IMO of course they should have. In ten seconds someone concludes he is a victim and then he goes on vacation.

How would LE know that he does not need his hands checked out when he is 8 feet from the door of the biggest mass shooting in history.

That is just as not ok as declaring - out of the blue - 2 hours later - that it was sole actor.

IMO that is not an investigation

In a whole bunch of these it takes weeks to determine if there is a network or solo.

For some reason in this instance they were able to declare a lone wolf, before they even got in his room

and have stuck to that since they decided he was alone a couple of hours later

Have Le ever explained how they came to this conclusion with blinding speed?

Exactly how does a Sheriff do that in two hours ?

The scene had not been investigated when this dude is declaring this was a lone wolf.

Where is the evidence for that?
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This is the point I was trying to make the other day-being a critical thinker I don’t think anyone can say any question in this post is not valid. These types of questions are where we need to be careful and make the determination of the difference between “conspiracy theory” and just plain old rational skepticism...unless we quote MSM these thoughts are our opinions anyways and if we don’t ask common sense questions of official narratives there is no accountability. So again I ask please don’t be quick to discount questions as “conspiracy theories” because these logical questions are a far cry from “reptilian aliens, inside job 9-11” and so on...


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Hoston we have more problems

All kinds of monitors and electrical equipment he had in there. It just looked like almost a gun store.

We were trippin' over guns. Trippin' over long guns inside. There was so many.

In the "leaked" pictures i saw two guns lying nicely on the floor ?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-officers-describe-storming-shooter-stephen-paddock-hotel-room/
 
canadiangirl said:
I read that part. I am curious to know if this is all MGM properties? Just this one? All hotels in Vegas? Etc. I would think a LOT of crap happens in those hallways especially in Vegas. With parties etc. I really surprised. I mean regardless how much money they spend on security, getting up quickly to the 32nd floor by any human isn't as quick as a camera in a control room. JMO




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I’ve posted this in just about every other thread. I’m not sure if you have me on ignore or something but hopefully you see it this time around

Copy and pasting one of posts from a now closed thread. I would not be surprised if there is not surveillance footage from the hotel hallways.

Las Vegas casinos — some of the most closely watched spaces in the world — don’t have video cameras in guest room hallways, an absence that hotel workers like Patrick, patrons and prosecutors say can act as a green light for crime.

Casino bosses say there is no need for extra security: America’s playground boasts more cameras per square foot than any airport or sports arena in the country, with thousands of high-tech lenses watching the gambling floors, lobbies and elevators.

snip

Yet The Associated Press found that 23 of the 27 major Strip casinos have no surveillance in hotel hallways or elevator landings. All but four of the 27 hotels are owned by MGM Resorts International, Caesars Entertainment Corp., Las Vegas Sands Corp. or Wynn Resorts Ltd.


http://www.mercurynews.com/2013/10/1...-surveillance/

That's from an incident in 2013 when a maid was attacked in the hallway. I don't think surveillance in the hotel hallways is nearly as important to the hotels as it is in the casinos. They care about protecting their money and making sure things are running smooth on the casino floor. They probably don't care too much what goes on in the hallways of the hotel. Well maybe now they do, but I don't think it was that much of a concern before this. JMO

The below link has some pics of the inside of a Vegas surveillance room. I only skimmed the article bc it's long, but it's interesting.

https://www.theverge.com/2013/1/14/3...ing-technology




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CARIIS said:
From last thread

LE had nO reason to examine his hands, he had been shot in the leg reportedly.
These were 'independant' journalists in their own minds, its possible they didn't have press credentials either.
But presser was handled badly by Sheriff and FBI.
All journalists remarked on that.. all were tarred with same brush..

Answering hard questions is part of his job.
He didn't like the press coverage he had received.. but spacing out pressers and then throwing them at an hours notice is asking for trouble.
There was no good reason not to allow CNN to do their slot.. journos were also asked to be there by 10,15.. it was extremely short notice.


=========================

IMO of course they should have. In ten seconds someone concludes he is a victim and then he goes on vacation.

How would LE know that he does not need his hands checked out when he is 8 feet from the door of the biggest mass shooting in history.

That is just as not ok as declaring - out of the blue - 2 hours later - that it was sole actor.

IMO that is not an investigation

In a whole bunch of these it takes weeks to determine if there is a network or solo.

For some reason in this instance they were able to declare a lone wolf, before they even got in his room

and have stuck to that since they decided he was alone a couple of hours later

Have Le ever explained how they came to this conclusion with blinding speed?

Exactly how does a Sheriff do that in two hours ?

The scene had not been investigated when this dude is declaring this was a lone wolf.

Where is the evidence for that?
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Campos was legitimately in the hotel. He worked there. He had a right to be there, he wore a hotel uniform and identifiable as a hotel employee.
He was also wounded.

I agree that the single shooter proclamation was made extremely soon after the event.

I have no idea how they could call it that early in a venue that large with a huge crowd.

They have examined the bodies and they have examined the carnage, they have come to the conclusion that a single person with the arsenal they saw was capable of doing the damage they did with the ammunition that would have been proven to have come from one of the weapons in his room.

Had they discovered death from other weapons, not in his possession, the Coroner would have made quite a fuss about it..
The Coroner is responsible for the deceased casualties, each would have had an autopsy and the type of weapon determined.

The only one the Coroner is querying is the alleged shooter himself.
He has yet to determine whether his death was by suicide, homicide or some organic reason..

If there were other shooters, they escaped and they will never be found now.
 
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