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  1. #91
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    A very sad outcome indeed, but thank you PrairieWind and Cryptic for your insights. Very interesting.
    Submarines both amaze and terrify me.

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    Guess I'd like to see if they could at least recover the bodies for their loved ones !!
    Some very small solace.
    Whatever happened, hope it was very quick !!

    Rest in peace to the 44... My utmost condolences to their families.

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    Russian oceanographic research ship arrives in San Juan submarine search zone

    The vessel serves as a mother ship for advanced mini-subs, which can carry out research missions at great depths



    http://tass.com/world/979269

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    Argentine parliamentarians are reportedly investigating two German firms over the replacement of batteries on the missing submarine ARA San Juan, alleging bribes were paid to secure contracts and inferior products used.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...ing-argentine/

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    New target in search for missing Argentine sub

    A new object has been found at 1 000m with sonar search equipment in the South Atlantic. And it is being looked at to determine if it could be the Argentine sub, along with a second object at about 700 meters.

    https://www.news24.com/World/News/ne...e-sub-20171212

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    British Prime Minister Theresa May expresses solidarity to Argentine president Mauricio Macri over the missing ARA San Juan submarine

    The Argentine foreign ministry last week thanked UK for its cooperation in the SAR effort, as well as the Falkland Islands for their attitude in such highly sensitive moments for the Argentine people.

    http://en.mercopress.com/2017/12/13/...juan-submarine

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    Argentinian submarine that sank, killing all 44 crew, 'had been chased by a British helicopter after travelling close to the Falkland Islands', claims dead sailor's sister

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...elicopter.html

    Jesica Medina, the sister of one of the 44 missing sailors, Roberto Daniel Medina, revealed that she had received a 'strange' message from her brother days before the vessel's last known communication.

    In the Whatsapp message he told her that the ARA San Juan submarine had travelled close to the Falkland Islands, and claimed that a Royal Navy helicopter was trying to track them.

    Second sub-officer Roberto told her they were now heading for home, writing: 'On Monday an English helicopter was looking for us, and yesterday the Chileans, there has been a lot going on.'
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    I don't know what to make of the alleged messages claiming they were being chased. If this occurred, they were much closer to the Falklands than the Argentinians have claimed. But if they were out there, it certainly would not be unusual for one navy to investigate a submarine of another navy. That is pretty standard. They probably weren't being chased so much as monitored. If one navy detects a submarine operating in its area, they are going to further investigate to determine who it is and what they are doing. IF it occurred. The idea that an officer on board a submarine would send messages to his family giving information about their operations and general location is stunning. That is the WORST operational security ever! But it could also be further evidence of the poor training of this crew.

    The reports that objects have been detected on the ocean floor is interesting. I wonder how long it will take to investigate those? 1000 meters and 700 meters are pretty deep. I am guessing that is at or below crush depth for this old sub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerseyGirl View Post
    Argentine parliamentarians are reportedly investigating two German firms over the replacement of batteries on the missing submarine ARA San Juan, alleging bribes were paid to secure contracts and inferior products used.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...ing-argentine/
    My guess is that the cause of the disaster is far closer to home than Germany.

    The submarine's crew had not been on a patrol in years, the submarine was 35 years old and past its service life, and the recent refit was done on a shoe string budget (12 million dollars) given the complexity and exacting nature of the work needed.

    Sadly, all of the above are ingredients for disaster.
    Last edited by Cryptic; 12-13-2017 at 06:10 PM.

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    I would have to agree Cryptic. While I suppose it is possible that there was a problem with the batteries, I doubt that is root of this disaster. As with almost all of these man-made catastrophes, there is usually a chain of events that goes wrong. The first indication of trouble was the message that water had entered through the snorkel causing a battery problem. So that doesn't sound like defective batteries so much as poor seamanship and/or poor maintenance of the snorkel assembly. Now, perhaps water entering should not have reached the batteries but it would be impossible to know if that was a result of faulty installation or faulty operation. But even a battery problem should not have been catastrophic for them, as indicated by the captains message that it was contained and they were returning. So something else then happened and the crew was unable to deal with it. Given as little experience as this crew had, and that it was newly refurbished, it should have been operating close to shore under controlled circumstances in a series of test dives to test the sub and get the crew some experience.


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    Argentina’s Navy Chief Fired After ARA San Juan's Disappearance

    Admiral Marcelo Srur was the highest official to be removed from his position but the fifth senior officer to be terminated as a result of the ARA San Juan’s disappearance.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/missing-argen...arance-2629833

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    Argentina Appoints Special Commission to Find Missing Sub

    In an update...

    The Russian Navy has lent its support to the search for the missing vessel after an analysis of meteorological conditions opened up new possibilities for locating any wreckage.

    Using an unmanned submersible dubbed Pantera Plus, Russian specialists are able probe the dark waters off the Argentine coast to depths of more than 1,000 meters beneath the waves.

    "So far, the Pantera Plus remote-controlled unmanned submersible was submerged in total 15 times at depths between 135 and 1,050 meters," it was said.

    No signals from the stricken submarine have been detected since the German-built vessel vanished in the waters of the Atlantic Ocean November 15, near Patagonia, shortly after reporting an electrical failure.

    https://www.telesurtv.net/english/ne...1220-0016.html

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    In other sub news....

    Australia resolved the oldest mystery in its naval history on Thursday after discovering its first submarine, the HMAS AE1, which disappeared over a century ago. The HMAS AE1 disappeared on September 14, 1914, with 35 people on board, for some unknown reasons while sailing between the islands of New Britain and New Ireland, in northeastern Papua New Guinea.

    The Fugro Equator, one of the survey ships that participated in the search for a Malaysia Airline aircraft which disappeared in 2014 in the Indian Ocean, discovered the missing submarine on the 13th expedition to find it.

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/interna...le22121735.ece

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    Sonar search has detected a new contact which will be investigated by a remote sub.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/12...-atlantic.html

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    The cause of ARA San Juan's disappearance will be investigated by a commission created by the congress in Argentina.

    The commission will investigate the causes and circumstances of the vessel's disappearance as well as the ongoing search and rescue operation. The commission will be made up of six members of the Chamber of Deputies and six senators from both opposition and government parties.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/missing-argen...arance-2641843

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