Laura Babcock Murder Trial 12.05.17 - Closing Arguments - Day 1

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Closing arguments expected at Laura Babcock murder trial
By Shannon Martin, CBC News Dec 05, 2017

Accused killer Dellen Millard, who is acting as his own lawyer, will have an opportunity to directly address the jury today at the Laura Babcock murder trial as closing arguments get underway.

Over the last six weeks, Millard has stood countless times at a tall wooden podium in the centre of the courtroom, and cross-examined as many as 40 Crown witnesses.

But when it came to mounting his own defence last week, the Toronto-area man only called three witnesses and declined to present an opening statement.

Crown prosecutors believe Babcock, a 23-year-old university graduate who once worked at a toy store, was killed in early July 2012, her body later burned in an animal incinerator.

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Shannon Martin‏
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5m5 minutes ago
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Hi there, Justice Michael Code has arrived and we are standing by for closing arguments. #LauraBabcock
 
Carried over from the previous thread

Hi there, Justice Michael Code has arrived and we are standing by for closing arguments.
by Shannon Martin 10:02 AM

There are some legal discussions happening. Once the jury arrives, we can begin the blog.
by Shannon Martin 10:08 AM
 
HMMM Legal discussions, big surprise!
 
The jury has arrived.

Millard begins his closing address, "Good morning members of the jury."

"I see a disadvantage going first... I've not heard the closing arguments of the other parties. I've heard the evidence of the trial, I cannot know for certain what points the other parties will frame their arguments."


by Shannon Martin 10:14 AM
 
The jury has arrived.

Millard begins his closing address, "Good morning members of the jury."

"I see a disadvantage going first... I've not heard the closing arguments of the other parties. I've heard the evidence of the trial, I cannot know for certain what points the other parties will frame their arguments."


by Shannon Martin 10:14 AM

Then perhaps you shouldn't have called that useless evidence.
 
Millard says "this is my last chance to address you."

He says he'll spend the day reviewing the evidence. "It'll seem long and irrelevant at times."

"There has been a lot of media coverage surrounding my name. Not a lot of it has been so complimentary."

He asks them to disregard personal opinions they have formed about him. "You may not like the way I've lived my life or treated certain individuals. I ask you to put that aside."


by Shannon Martin 10:18 AM
 
The jury has arrived.

Millard begins his closing address, "Good morning members of the jury."

"I see a disadvantage going first... I've not heard the closing arguments of the other parties. I've heard the evidence of the trial, I cannot know for certain what points the other parties will frame their arguments."


by Shannon Martin 10:14 AM
"This make's it quite difficult for me to formulate all my lies". :seeya:
 
Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
6m6 minutes ago
Jury is here. #Millard is standing at the podium in the middle of the room. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
4m4 minutes ago
Millard: "Good morning, members of the jury." Slight smile. "My name is first on the playlist. That's the law." #Millard thinks he's at a disadvantage because he hasn't heard the other closing arguments. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
4m4 minutes ago
"On the flip side, they get to hear my closing first... and tailor their closings to be more persuasive... please remember I don't have a chance to respond again," #Millard says. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
3m3 minutes ago
Millard tells the jury he may get some points of law wrong, and the judge may correct him, and the judge is always right. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
2m2 minutes ago
There has been a lot of evidence and much of it is irrelevant, #Millard tells the jury. "There's been opinion evidence, evidence of bad character, suggestion of other criminal acts." #Millard asks the jury not to hold that against him.

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews
2m2 minutes ago
There's been a lot of media coverage about #Millard and mostly not complimentary, and he asks the jury not to hold that against him. "You may not like the way I lived my life or the way I treated certain individuals." He wants the jury to ignore that too. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews
2m2 minutes ago
#Millard would rather bore the jury with his points rather than take a chance they don't get one of his points, he says. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews
2m2 minutes ago
"What is an inference?" It's a conclusion we draw based on facts, #Millard says. Imagine you're on a road trip, and you stop at a motel, and you looked out the window and saw the lawn was wet. You draw an inference that it rained last night.

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews
33s34 seconds ago
But maybe there was a sprinkler system at the motel. That's a competing inference, #Millard says. He may ask jury to draw different inferences than the crown. Tells the jury their primary function is to look at facts and draw their own inferences. #LauraBabcock
 
Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
Elements of the defence. #Millard says these are what have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. "I'm hoping you'll take everything, and nothing in isolation." He says the elements of the defence have not been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews
19s19 seconds ago
"Is Laura dead?" #Millard says that's the first question the jury has to ask, before going on to place, time and method of #LauraBabcock's death.
 
Millard talks about the "elements of defence."

He hopes the jury will consider everything they've heard.

"I anticipate you will decide the elements of defence have not been proven beyond a reasonable doubt."

He says they will have to decide: Is Laura dead? He says not just that, but they will have to decide when she died, how she died, where she died and why she died.
by Shannon Martin 10:23 AM
 
Lisa Hepfner‏
@HefCHCHNews
Millard is reading off a computer on the podium. He's talking about reasonable doubt. What is unreasonable doubt? He says that's philosophy. Am I really here? Is this a dream?" He can see the jury and smell the air and touch the woodgrain of his podium. #LauraBabcock


Huh? :dunno:
 
The jury has arrived.

Millard begins his closing address, "Good morning members of the jury."

"I see a disadvantage going first... I've not heard the closing arguments of the other parties. I've heard the evidence of the trial, I cannot know for certain what points the other parties will frame their arguments."


by Shannon Martin 10:14 AM

Very good point. Not fair to Dell
 
Thank you for doing the tweets and blog today, Kamille and meterclicks! I’ll be reading from time to time today but can’t stay.

I hope that the day goes well for everyone, and as always, thinking of Laura and her family today as this proceeds.
 
Millard, "Have you ever been in a dream and thought it was real? Or have you ever been in a dream and knew you were dreaming?"

He's talking about senses.

About half of the jury members are looking at Millard, the rest are looking down or at their hands, or at other spots in the courtroom entirely.
by Shannon Martin 10:25 AM
 
Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
49s50 seconds ago
Millard says it would be unreasonable to ask whether he's really here because evidence shows he is here. "It all makes sense. It fits together." Beyond reasonable doubt means to be absolutely convinced of something. #LauraBabcock.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
52s53 seconds ago
"Have you ever been in a dream and thought it real?" #Millard asks jury. Or maybe been in a dream and known it was a dream. "It's my position that the crowns case is something like a convincing dream."
 
Lisa Hepfner‏ HefCHCHNews

Packed house at #LauraBabcock murder trial today. Accused Dellen #Millard, representing himself, will have closing submissions for the jury.

Jury is here. #Millard is standing at the podium in the middle of the room.

Millard: "Good morning, members of the jury." Slight smile. "My name is first on the playlist. That's the law." #Millard thinks he's at a disadvantage because he hasn't heard the other closing arguments.

"On the flip side, they get to hear my closing first... and tailor their closings to be more persuasive... please remember I don't have a chance to respond again," #Millard says.

Millard tells the jury he may get some points of law wrong, and the judge may correct him, and the judge is always right.

There has been a lot of evidence and much of it is irrelevant, #Millard tells the jury. "There's been opinion evidence, evidence of bad character, suggestion of other criminal acts." #Millard asks the jury not to hold that against him.

There's been a lot of media coverage about #Millard and mostly not complimentary, and he asks the jury not to hold that against him. "You may not like the way I lived my life or the way I treated certain individuals." He wants the jury to ignore that too.

#Millard would rather bore the jury with his points rather than take a chance they don't get one of his points, he says.

"What is an inference?" It's a conclusion we draw based on facts, #Millard says. Imagine you're on a road trip, and you stop at a motel, and you looked out the window and saw the lawn was wet. You draw an inference that it rained last night.

But maybe there was a sprinkler system at the motel. That's a competing inference, #Millard says. He may ask jury to draw different inferences than the crown. Tells the jury their primary function is to look at facts and draw their own inferences.

Elements of the defence. #Millard says these are what have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. "I'm hoping you'll take everything, and nothing in isolation." He says the elements of the defence have not been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

"Is Laura dead?" #Millard says that's the first question the jury has to ask, before going on to place, time and method of #LauraBabcock's death.

Millard is reading off a computer on the podium. He's talking about reasonable doubt. What is unreasonable doubt? He says that's philosophy. Am I really here? Is this a dream?" He can see the jury and smell the air and touch the woodgrain of his podium.

Millard says it would be unreasonable to ask whether he's really here because evidence shows he is here. "It all makes sense. It fits together." Beyond reasonable doubt means to be absolutely convinced of something.

"Have you ever been in a dream and thought it real?" #Millard asks jury. Or maybe been in a dream and known it was a dream. "It's my position that the crowns case is something like a convincing dream."

Millard says some things make sense but some major details don't add up, and he's going to go through those major details today.

That was my little soliloquy, #Millard says, smiling at the jury.
 
Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
2m2 minutes ago
Millard says some things make sense but some major details don't add up, and he's going to go through those major details today. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
1m1 minute ago
That was my little soliloquy, #Millard says, smiling at the jury. #LauraBabcock
 
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