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    Laura Babcock Murder Trial - *GUILTY*

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    Remembering Laura Babcock and waiting for Justice


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    You are not forgotten ... Rest peacefully, Laura


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    Judge refuses Dellen Millard's request for mistrial at Laura Babcock murder trial
    By Shannon Martin, CBC News Dec 14, 2017



    A judge swiftly quashed co-accused Dellen Millard's request for mistrial at the Laura Babcock murder trial in Toronto today.

    Millard, 32, who is acting as his own lawyer, put forward a 10-page application for mistrial Thursday morning complaining the lawyer for co-accused Mark Smich tried to pin Babcock's alleged murder on him.

    Justice Michael Code rejected the argument, and the plea for a mistrial.

    "There was a real possibility that Smich would get in the box and point the finger at you. But he has not done that," Code said.
    Last edited by Coldpizza; 12-15-2017 at 09:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyTye View Post
    It seems like parts of our legal system are as warped as DM and MS. Not that $ will give the families of TB and LB peace but I would rather them get it then the lawyers... Don't get me wrong. I am not throwing all layers in the same pile... Just the ones who practice solely for $. It used to be a calling... Social Justice. These days I am not so sure! I liken it to the Teaching profession...Some do the job for the love of kids, the satisfaction of helping and teaching others. But these days some do it for the pay and summers off... Some good...Some in it for themselves... Bless the ones who chose their profession mainly to help people in need. To those who are mostly in it for themselves, I suspect that later in life they will regret it and have to (in their own minds) deal with the consequences. my2cents
    MyTye, you may be right about some lawyers but I promise you NOBODY gets into teaching for the pay! They're paid much, much less than they deserve, have hardly any opportunity for promotion, zero bonuses or rewards for a job well done & pretty subpar benefits. The summers off are forced vacation time that they are NOT paid for. A certain percentage is taken from their pay that they earned during the year & deposited to them during the summer. Half the summer is usually spent preparing for the next year because they can't afford to go anywhere anyways!

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    It's late Friday night here and I will speed read to catch you all up when I wake up let's hope today is the day.


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    Laura Babcock Murder Trial - *Verdict Watch* #2

    Gonna spend my day in airports today working my way home. I just know the verdict will come down while Iím in the air. Letís hope that today is the day. Itís time for Laura to see Justice.


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    Not sure if this article had been posted, DM is a real piece of work.

    https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star...ert-blame.html

    Judges can move mountains. Code called upon the prosecution’s investigator to at least try reaching the fellow. Mere minutes later, the cop returned. Why, goodness, he’d managed to get this elusive person on the phone lickety-split. The man wasn’t in London, as Millard had claimed. He was still in Ottawa. Yes, he could come to Toronto.
    Code, reaching for his pen: “I can make a subpoena to get him here tomorrow morning at 10 a.m. and you can pay for it.”
    You, Millard.
    “I’ve been incredibly generous with time for you to prepare. I was shocked that you hadn’t told this witness to be here on Monday.”

    This episode, which of course took place in the jury’s absence, amply illustrated tactics that Millard employed throughout the seven week trial — stalling, whining, diverting blame, exhibiting a monumental sense of entitlement.

    Like the dilettante fortune heir he was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dar107 View Post
    Not sure if this article had been posted, DM is a real piece of work.

    https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star...ert-blame.html

    Judges can move mountains. Code called upon the prosecution’s investigator to at least try reaching the fellow. Mere minutes later, the cop returned. Why, goodness, he’d managed to get this elusive person on the phone lickety-split. The man wasn’t in London, as Millard had claimed. He was still in Ottawa. Yes, he could come to Toronto.
    Code, reaching for his pen: “I can make a subpoena to get him here tomorrow morning at 10 a.m. and you can pay for it.”
    You, Millard.
    “I’ve been incredibly generous with time for you to prepare. I was shocked that you hadn’t told this witness to be here on Monday.”

    This episode, which of course took place in the jury’s absence, amply illustrated tactics that Millard employed throughout the seven week trial — stalling, whining, diverting blame, exhibiting a monumental sense of entitlement.

    Like the dilettante fortune heir he was.
    Here I go again - gotta love that judge! LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by dar107 View Post
    Not sure if this article had been posted, DM is a real piece of work.

    https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star...ert-blame.html

    Judges can move mountains. Code called upon the prosecution’s investigator to at least try reaching the fellow. Mere minutes later, the cop returned. Why, goodness, he’d managed to get this elusive person on the phone lickety-split. The man wasn’t in London, as Millard had claimed. He was still in Ottawa. Yes, he could come to Toronto.
    Code, reaching for his pen: “I can make a subpoena to get him here tomorrow morning at 10 a.m. and you can pay for it.”
    You, Millard.
    “I’ve been incredibly generous with time for you to prepare. I was shocked that you hadn’t told this witness to be here on Monday.”

    This episode, which of course took place in the jury’s absence, amply illustrated tactics that Millard employed throughout the seven week trial — stalling, whining, diverting blame, exhibiting a monumental sense of entitlement.

    Like the dilettante fortune heir he was.
    It's a big adjustment for DM. He is used of conning high school kids. And it ain't working on an experienced Judge. MOO

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    This must be difficult for DM. To come to the realization that he's nothing more than another convicted felon and he's been stripped of celebrity status. Blows away any notion that DM was hard done by having to live in solitary confinement- he refused to sign his papers for "protective" custody.

    “Toronto don’t give a flying **** who Dellen Millard is, I’m just another prisoner here. In Hamilton there was so much community interest, administrators wanted to put me into protective custody. I refused to sign my protective custody papers, so they put me in segregation instead,” he said of his time during the Bosma trial."

    http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/...-jurys-verdict

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    I would be happily surprised by a verdict today, but I think it is probably still too early. The evidence and the charge were both complicated, and my guess is that weíll see that reflected in the length of deliberation.

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    I had a dream last night that my sister sent me a text that said simply "11:59". Meaning that was when the verdict came in. Let's see how that pans out lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuneBug67 View Post
    I would be happily surprised by a verdict today, but I think it is probably still too early. The evidence and the charge were both complicated, and my guess is that we’ll see that reflected in the length of deliberation.
    For the sake of the Babcock family and friends, I hope the jury was at least able to get past the first obstacle that LB is no longer with us. I would be very upset if they struggled with this based on lies from sycophants trying to offer false hope for their own selfish needs.

    There is no way in the world someone with LB's social traits could instantly disappear, starting the night she met up with DM on July 3rd. MOO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inspector_North View Post
    For the sake of the Babcock family and friends, I hope the jury was at least able to get past the first obstacle that LB is no longer with us. I would be very upset if they struggled with this based on lies from sycophants trying to offer false hope for their own selfish needs.

    There is no way in the world someone with LB's social traits could instantly disappear, starting the night she met up with DM on July 3rd. MOO
    I honestly don’t see a path where the jury doesn’t conclude that Laura was killed and her body incinerated. It’s hard to imagine that any reasonable doubt would linger there, although I think they will have had a good, fair and not necessarily short conversation about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inspector_North View Post
    For the sake of the Babcock family and friends, I hope the jury was at least able to get past the first obstacle that LB is no longer with us. I would be very upset if they struggled with this based on lies from sycophants trying to offer false hope for their own selfish needs.

    There is no way in the world someone with LB's social traits could instantly disappear, starting the night she met up with DM on July 3rd. MOO
    Have a gut feeling that the longer they deliberate, the less likely we are to see M1 x 2. JMO

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