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OR OR - Lucille Grenz, 40, Toledo, 30 March 1962
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Can't find any hits on ancestry. Wonder if Grenz was her married surname?
She would be over 90 years old today, so probably it's time to search for Unidentified/Jane Does. She has DNA on file, so it would be easy
She would be over 90 years old today, so probably it's time to search for Unidentified/Jane Does. She has DNA on file, so it would be easy
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Here's a photo for Lucille:
Where did you get that picture? I'm specially curious at the question: "Foul play victim?"
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It was on Newspapers. Here's the full article.
After reading this article, this is definitely a murder and we should be looking for a body. The boyfriend denied any involvement, but I wonder if they checked his alibi.
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"I don't know how the blood got there" That screams foul play. If that evidence hasn't been destroyed, they should re-test that blood to see if it matches Lucille.
Grenz was her married name. Her marriage to Delbert Grenz in 1959 is on Ancestry and this gives her previous name as McKinney, which (nearly) matches the name (McKinsey) of one of her daughters mentioned in the articles in other posts on this thread. However she had been married 8 times and McKinney (or McKinsey) must have been her previous husbands name, so her birth name needs more work.
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This is my Grandmother. She was adopted by a family with the last name of O'neal. My Grandfather was her first husband and they had 5 children. His last name was McKinney.
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I struggled to figure out what it meant for someone to go missing along with her mattress and drapes. But how about this hypothetical scenario:
I don't know that a killer would remove the mattress and drapes for blood spatter. It seems like a big job with no real benefit unless his own blood was at the scene. Furthermore, we have to be careful not to interject modern forensics into this crime that occurred in 1962.
It's also very annoying that seven weeks went by between her disappearance and the discovery of her disarrayed bedroom. I think that gap is likely due to the fact that she had a history of disappearing without telling anyone.
- Lucille Mae Grenz went home and prepared for bed by placing her nightclothes on her mattress;
- Then, she was attacked and the blood in the room is hers;
- The attacker put her on the mattress, whether to rape her or for transportation of the body;
- He wrapped her in the mattress and drapes because he didn't want anyone to see him bringing the body to his vehicle and maybe because he didn't want blood in his vehicle;
- The mattress and drapes, thus, were for concealment and even absorption of blood;
- Her and the items either get dumped in a secluded area or at the dump.
I don't know that a killer would remove the mattress and drapes for blood spatter. It seems like a big job with no real benefit unless his own blood was at the scene. Furthermore, we have to be careful not to interject modern forensics into this crime that occurred in 1962.
It's also very annoying that seven weeks went by between her disappearance and the discovery of her disarrayed bedroom. I think that gap is likely due to the fact that she had a history of disappearing without telling anyone.
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Also, I found another family name besides Grenz affiliated with her address.
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Lucille Mae Grenz – The Charley Project
Grenz had previously been married eight times and she left home before without warning. Shortly before her disappearance, she had recently quit her store clerk job. She was in the process of moving to Seattle, Washington, where her boyfriend lived. Because of these circumstances, the police initially didn't take her disappearance seriously.
On May 21, almost two months after her disappearance, her daughter and the girl's foster mother went to Grenz's home to get some clothes and noticed evidence of foul play in the bedroom. The room was in disarray, the bedclothes, mattress and drapes were missing, and there was human blood spattered on the walls, floors and ceiling.
Her boyfriend was questioned and stated he hadn't seen her and didn't know her whereabouts. Authorities noticed there were bloodstains in the trunk of his car; he said he didn't know how they got there.
Foul play is suspected in Grenz's case. She left all her clothing and belongings behind and her case remains unsolved.
- Missing Since: 03/30/1962
- Missing From: Toledo, Oregon
- Classification: Endangered Missing
- Sex: Female
- Race: White
- Age: 40 years old
- Height and Weight: 5'1 - 5'2, 110 pounds
- Clothing/Jewelry Description: A dress.
- Distinguishing Characteristics: Caucasian female. Red hair, blue eyes. Grenz may use the last name Vaughn.
Details of Disappearance
Grenz was last seen in Toledo, Oregon on March 30, 1962. She lived with her sixteen-year-old daughter in the 100 block of northwest 6th Street. She has never been heard from again. A day later, her daughter became concerned by Grenz's absence and called her aunt, who lived in Salem, Oregon. It wasn't for another day or two that the police were notified, however.Grenz had previously been married eight times and she left home before without warning. Shortly before her disappearance, she had recently quit her store clerk job. She was in the process of moving to Seattle, Washington, where her boyfriend lived. Because of these circumstances, the police initially didn't take her disappearance seriously.
On May 21, almost two months after her disappearance, her daughter and the girl's foster mother went to Grenz's home to get some clothes and noticed evidence of foul play in the bedroom. The room was in disarray, the bedclothes, mattress and drapes were missing, and there was human blood spattered on the walls, floors and ceiling.
Her boyfriend was questioned and stated he hadn't seen her and didn't know her whereabouts. Authorities noticed there were bloodstains in the trunk of his car; he said he didn't know how they got there.
Foul play is suspected in Grenz's case. She left all her clothing and belongings behind and her case remains unsolved.
Investigating Agency
- Toledo Police Department 541-336-5555
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She is my grandmother she is on my family tree.
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Two other articles
6 June 1962, The Capital Journal, pg 1
30 March 1963, The Capital Journal, pg 11
6 June 1962, The Capital Journal, pg 1
30 March 1963, The Capital Journal, pg 11
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The Oregon state police missing persons site lists Lucille's last name as Vaughn.
www.oregon.gov
Oregon State Police : Missing Persons : Missing Persons : State of Oregon
missing people
www.oregon.gov