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    NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #9

    Las Vegas shooting death toll rises to 59, no apparent connection to international terror

    The shooter, perched on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel, sent more than 22,000 country music fans scrambling for their lives.
    One witness described the shooting as "non-stop gunfire."


    Las Vegas Shooting Live Updates: Multiple Weapons Found in Gunman’s Hotel Room

    The police found the gunman, whom they identified as Stephen Paddock, 64, dead in his room at the hotel. Investigators were still combing through Mr. Paddock’s background and searching his home on Monday.

    How the Shooting in Las Vegas Unfolded

    http://time.com/4965896/las-vegas-sh...victims-names/

    Las Vegas shooting victims: Portraits of the fallen

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    What is so bizarre is how they effectively got the whole story on a totally IMo relevant entity.

    The timeline.

    Transcripts from the dispatch clearly indicates that SWAT was not requested until 1025.

    It actually is that simple.

    At 10:24 p.m., officers :

    “It’s room 135 on the 32nd floor. I need the SWAT.

    At 10:28 p.m., as SWAT teams gather

    the next 50 minutes, officers secure the floor and ready several SWAT teams.

    11:20 p.m., they explode a door-

    How they turned this into the whole story is befuddling at best IMO

    Much more concerning IMO is the repeated reports by different LE folks throughout concretely reporting to dispatch locations of shooters , calling into dispatch firing from several locations- this one especially.

    Its not speculative on the trained officers report .

    It was stated in a concise report - to warn colleagues :

    “We have an active shooter — we have an active shooter inside the fairgrounds!”

    From another skilled LE letting colleagues know

    Upstairs in the Mandalay Bay, halfway up I see the shots coming from Mandalay Bay, halfway up.”

    another skilled observer in another position concisely reports to dispatch

    “Shots are coming from Gate 7.”

    This gentlemen repeats his warning about location again.

    A different officer calls in

    We’re seeing local flashes in the middle of Mandalay Bay on the north side, kind of on the west tower but towards the center of the casino, like one of the middle floors.”

    These statements do not have qualifiers

    I think

    sounds like

    might be

    Declarative statements by different trained people -----

    moo

    It is also confusing that a top ten most wanted fugitive , is captured, pleads no contest, makes a name change and proceeds to openly go about his life - free - for the next 7 years.

    I am assuming 10 top wanted folks serve prison time ........

    and finally, (kinda) why are there no bullet holes on anything but the ground?

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-shooting.html

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    This is a very interesting article by Doug Poppa.

    http://baltimorepostexaminer.com/unp...rdo/2018/01/02
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tricia View Post
    Normally we do not allow conspiracy theories on Websleuths.

    However, due to the fact that there are conflicting statements given by law enforcement you have to ask yourself why? Also, there are several very strange things that the Sheriff brought up but no one has asked him to elaborate.

    Yes, I am getting a list with the back up from a media source. Or a recording of the Sherrif himself.


    We will allow the discussion (in this case only) to explore reasons why the all the departments involved seem to have conflicting stories.


    Please feel free to post the documents released by the FBI today.

    As almost everything on Websleuths this is a grey area.

    Please do not go overboard. I don't want this discussion to turn into a crazy nutcase thread where the Taliban, the Bush family, and the Pope are all in this together and Stephen Paddock was an agent of the devil developed in a lab in West Germany.

    No.

    The things that need to be examined are:

    Was Paddock alone?
    Did someone from the hotel help him get his guns in the room? Did that person know there were guns in his luggage?
    Why is the Sheriff giving conflicting statements?
    Why did it take over an hour for the swat team to get to the hotel? Where were they?
    What about the security guard Campos? Where is he? Did he give conflicting statements? If so what were they?

    Do not accuse anyone by name of being an accomplice.The only one we know to be guilty right now is Stephen Paddock.

    I hope I am being clear and not confusing anyone.

    Common sense. That's what we need to use here.

    Please, no name calling of anyone at all. Name calling does no good.
    Thanks for this Tricia. There are definitely some very important questions that at some point need to be answered by authorities with regards to this "event".

    Will you still be uploading the interview with Doug Poppa?
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    Confused- says this a closed thread

    Is thread #9 closed? Perhaps the thread was updating as I viewed.
    Very curious that MD closed her Facebook account at 2:46 am and SP was disclosed as shooter at about 3:30 am. MD was in the Philippines and the effect of the time difference is unclear.

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/...egas-shooting/
    Last edited by Alireba; 01-14-2018 at 02:04 AM.


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    This is a good example of where we need to use common sense and not make our brains explode by trying to tie things together that don't belong.

    According to a report (haven't read but was told by a member), Paddock's girlfriend's prints were on the ammo. OK. We know Marilou Danley was out of the country at the time of the shooting. We know she has never been considered a suspect. Why wouldn't her prints be on the ammo? She lived with Paddock. Maybe she opened the box and touch the bullets.

    The thing is we know she was not in the country when the shooting took place. Hence, she is not a possible second shooter if there even is one.

    Please be kind to each other. No snarky comments back and forth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tricia View Post
    Normally we do not allow conspiracy theories on Websleuths.

    However, due to the fact that there are conflicting statements given by law enforcement you have to ask yourself why? Also, there are several very strange things that the Sheriff brought up but no one has asked him to elaborate.

    Yes, I am getting a list with the back up from a media source. Or a recording of the Sherrif himself.


    We will allow the discussion (in this case only) to explore reasons why the all the departments involved seem to have conflicting stories.


    Please feel free to post the documents released by the FBI today.

    As almost everything on Websleuths this is a grey area.

    Please do not go overboard. I don't want this discussion to turn into a crazy nutcase thread where the Taliban, the Bush family, and the Pope are all in this together and Stephen Paddock was an agent of the devil developed in a lab in West Germany.

    No.

    The things that need to be examined are:

    Was Paddock alone?
    Did someone from the hotel help him get his guns in the room? Did that person know there were guns in his luggage?
    Why is the Sheriff giving conflicting statements?
    Why did it take over an hour for the swat team to get to the hotel? Where were they?
    What about the security guard Campos? Where is he? Did he give conflicting statements? If so what were they?

    Do not accuse anyone by name of being an accomplice.The only one we know to be guilty right now is Stephen Paddock.

    I hope I am being clear and not confusing anyone.

    Common sense. That's what we need to use here.

    Please, no name calling of anyone at all. Name calling does no good.
    Thanks Tricia for re-opening this conversation.
    I saw preliminary warrant reports, full reports to be released
    https://twitter.com/CraigNews3LV/sta...79943179186176

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...bi/1030771001/

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/...e-authorities/

    And here's the warrants. Happy reading.
    https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...arrants-1.html

    Last edited by kittythehare; 01-14-2018 at 02:06 AM. Reason: try make link visible
    ..or so it appears.. ...

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    Here is the article noting the time of SP name as shooter.
    https://nypost.com/2018/01/13/vegas-...ething-was-up/
    MD was out of the country but connected to SP. Her Facebook activity may reflect her concern that SP was involved. She volunteered that her prints might be on bullets, since she had helped him load some guns in the past
    Last edited by Alireba; 01-14-2018 at 02:19 AM.

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    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ig-gun-n837471

    "Another document said Paddock apparently sent messages between separate email accounts with similar names referring to buying and selling assault-style rifles and so-called "bump stock" devices to make the guns more rapid-fire."

    As discussed in previous threads.....Was Paddock an arms dealer?
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    Was Paddock alone in the room?

    I don't know.
    If he was he would have had to be moving at the speed of light to shoot at tanks for several rounds, board up door and start firing at crowd and manage to shoot whoever approached his room at the same time...


    My other big question is who actually shot Paddock of the alleged normal brain following sustaining a bullet or several via brain..

    The PR campaign that immediately enveloped the incident strikes me as suspicious.. particularly the tv interview with the 'agents'... sorry dont have link for that at hand. worth a re listen though.
    ..or so it appears.. ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kittythehare View Post
    I don't know.
    If he was he would have had to be moving at the speed of light to shoot at tanks for several rounds, board up door and start firing at crowd and manage to shoot whoever approached his room at the same time...


    My other big question is who actually shot Paddock of the alleged normal brain following sustaining a bullet or several via brain..

    The PR campaign that immediately enveloped the incident strikes me as suspicious.. particularly the tv interview with the 'agents'... sorry dont have link for that at hand. worth a re listen though.
    there was more than one bullet to his brain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tricia View Post
    This is a good example of where we need to use common sense and not make our brains explode by trying to tie things together that don't belong.

    According to a report (haven't read but was told by a member), Paddock's girlfriend's prints were on the ammo. OK. We know Marilou Danley was out of the country at the time of the shooting. We know she has never been considered a suspect. Why wouldn't her prints be on the ammo? She lived with Paddock. Maybe she opened the box and touch the bullets.

    The thing is we know she was not in the country when the shooting took place. Hence, she is not a possible second shooter if there even is one.

    Please be kind to each other. No snarky comments back and forth.

    Thanks,
    tricia
    The warrants seem to implicate MD and "others yet unkown".......

    Oh boy, only halfway through and way more questions than before....
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolJ View Post
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ig-gun-n837471

    "Another document said Paddock apparently sent messages between separate email accounts with similar names referring to buying and selling assault-style rifles and so-called "bump stock" devices to make the guns more rapid-fire."

    As discussed in previous threads.....Was Paddock an arms dealer?
    I don't believe he was for several reasons.
    He could have offloaded weapons far more securely and in far greater quantity elsewhere, almost anywhere elsewhere! See Reuters link https://www.reuters.com/article/us-l...-idUSKBN1F205F

    I actually googled the email address and searched for it..
    ..or so it appears.. ...

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