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    Quote Originally Posted by Tippy Lynn View Post
    I agree, addicts should never be defined by their addiction. My brother just passed away (Feb. 2nd) he was a recovering addict and his addiction didn’t define him. In fact, when he was using most people would have never known. He passed away unexpectedly of cardiac arrest 15 days after his 48th birthday.
    I am sorry for your loss, Tippy.
    I almost lost my youngest brother to heroin last year. There was some bad stuff going around where he lives and a lot of people died. The stuff was cut with Fentanyl.
    Luckily, our mom found him before it was too late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PetDetective View Post
    You may be on to something...went further back in his journal and found this entry...

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    A few days ago a memory of my past came rushing back at me. You see I am a spirit traveler and I am able to leave my body to cross the dimensions that most humans can not. My spirit has lived a long time, many wouldn't believe me if I told you. Anyway I was born in the dimension called Valamorea or Hell as we have come to call it. With Valamorea I have a family. I have a wife, two daughters and one son. Only my youngest daughter is related tome by blood, or so I believed. My oldest daughter never knew her real father an her. Her mother is my wife's youngest sister. Before I go on I need to say that most of my memories have been sealed away but have been slowly coming back for awhile now. Back to the story, I found out that before I was married I had slept with my wife's sister while we where dating. Around nine months before the the birth of my oldest daughter. She was told that her father was human so she would never see him. My wife's sister could care for the child for she was to under go some trial so I asked to care for the child until she returned. She was sent to this world in order to keep her safe and never returned to care for her daughter. So I cared for the child and she grew calling me daddy. Yesterday I put some pieces together and got some memory back, when I finally remembered that I was her father. I had asked to care for her because she was my daughter and I knew her mother's fate. I raised her like my own because she was my child. So now I know this information but I have no idea if I should tell my wife. I have kept this secret for over 300 years.Ē



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    OMG.....mental illness is rampant in this case!😕

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tippy Lynn View Post
    I agree, addicts should never be defined by their addiction. My brother just passed away (Feb. 2nd) he was a recovering addict and his addiction didnít define him. In fact, when he was using most people would have never known. He passed away unexpectedly of cardiac arrest 15 days after his 48th birthday.
    So sorry to hear that. I lost my father a year ago, to addiction. He went into sudden liver failure from addiction and died on his living room floor alone within hours of my last phone call to him. And he was perfectly fine when I spoke with him. I believe thatís one of the reasons I really struggle with the motive that JL has claimed. You see, my father too was posting ads on Craigslist, but it was never for something like a personal hit. And I donít believe Natalie did that in craigslist either. His death was also investigated as suspicious until autopsy results came back.

    The moral of the story is, Natalie was a young girl with a whole life ahead of her and worth so much more than the way she left this world. Addict or no addict, she was more than her addiction. Every addict is much more than the devil fighting them for their soul. She was someoneís daughter, sister, niece, granddaughter, cousin, etc. and for her murderer to essentially blame her murder on her, makes me absolutely furious. Itís degrading to her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MittenScarpetta View Post
    So sorry to hear that. I lost my father a year ago, to addiction. He went into sudden liver failure from addiction and died on his living room floor alone within hours of my last phone call to him. And he was perfectly fine when I spoke with him. I believe thatís one of the reasons I really struggle with the motive that JL has claimed. You see, my father too was posting ads on Craigslist, but it was never for something like a personal hit. And I donít believe Natalie did that in craigslist either. His death was also investigated as suspicious until autopsy results came back.

    The moral of the story is, Natalie was a young girl with a whole life ahead of her and worth so much more than the way she left this world. Addict or no addict, she was more than her addiction. Every addict is much more than the devil fighting them for their soul. She was someoneís daughter, sister, niece, granddaughter, cousin, etc. and for her murderer to essentially blame her murder on her, makes me absolutely furious. Itís degrading to her.
    I agree and Iím sorry for your loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auntisemantic View Post
    I am sorry for your loss, Tippy.
    I almost lost my youngest brother to heroin last year. There was some bad stuff going around where he lives and a lot of people died. The stuff was cut with Fentanyl.
    Luckily, our mom found him before it was too late.
    Thank you. Iím so glad to hear you still have your brother.

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    CO - Natalie Bollinger, 19, Broomfield, 28 Dec 2017 #2 *Arrest*

    Quote Originally Posted by scapa View Post
    Me too. It's a commonly noted element in opiate addition and withdrawal. Opiates are capable of stimulation as well as pain-reduction, especially those containing additional ingredients (caffeine, etc). Here's one of many examples:

    Certain people become addicted to the feelings of emotional well-being and euphoria narcotics provide emotionally numbing themselves of the effects of past traumas or undiagnosed mental illnesses.

    http://www.mtregis.com/opiates/effects-signs-symptoms
    Iíd like to weigh in on the whole euphoria debate...while I have no way of knowing what Natalie was feeling, I can tell you, as someone sober for over 10 years from heroin, thatís itís not a sense of euphoria as in joy...there is nothing happy about it. Itís a numbness really, in my experience. Sometimes there is a sense of false ďwell-beingĒ if you will, but life when you get to that level is dark dark dark. If you get to the point where you are shooting heroin into your veins, something is seriously wrong in life, and there is no joy to be found anywhere. The relief I got was a temporary reprieve from soul-crushing sadness and pain and darkness, but it was still there, always there. I think itís absolutely possible someone high on H would still want to commit suicide while high, but even more so while coming down.
    Iím not saying I think Natalie was suicidal because at this point I have no clue. We know she was in the past, but thatís as far as Iíve come in my guessing as to what really went down. After reading the affidavit, what I am sure of is that JL entertained thoughts of capturing/torturing/killing someone long before he and NB crossed paths. He had personas that operated in psychopathic behaviors. Now whether she really did put out some sort of ad on Craigslist or not I donít know, but I do know he is a predator, and must be held accountable regardless of what Natalie did or didnít do.


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    The phone situation baffles me. I know different phones have different settings, but I find it odd that JM and LE were able to get into the phone until it died, only requiring a PIN on restart. My phone is PIN locked. It locks itself after a few minutes of inactivity. I have to enter the PIN on restart, but I also have to enter it in general to use it unless it's just up and running. Was her phone up and open and actively running something that would prevent it from locking - like a video? Did she have it set to lock only when specifically locked or powered down? Did she have it set to lock after a period of time and JM got home within that window but missed her leaving by minutes? Did JM know the PIN and unlock it initially but not tell LE what the PIN was? Am I overthinking this because we have no idea what kind of phone or settings she had and these are not answerable? Probably.


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    Quote Originally Posted by theides View Post
    The phone situation baffles me. I know different phones have different settings, but I find it odd that JM and LE were able to get into the phone until it died, only requiring a PIN on restart. My phone is PIN locked. It locks itself after a few minutes of inactivity. I have to enter the PIN on restart, but I also have to enter it in general to use it unless it's just up and running. Was her phone up and open and actively running something that would prevent it from locking - like a video? Did she have it set to lock only when specifically locked or powered down? Did she have it set to lock after a period of time and JM got home within that window but missed her leaving by minutes? Did JM know the PIN and unlock it initially but not tell LE what the PIN was? Am I overthinking this because we have no idea what kind of phone or settings she had and these are not answerable? Probably.
    If she has a Touch ID, and her bf was a fingerprint saved he could get into it - but a code would need to be typed in on restart, the fingerprint wouldnít work. Thatís just my experience with my iPhone.


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    The only real theory that really lines up on this, is what the cops dragged out of him while questioning him for HOURS.
    What they finally got out of him was probably the truth.
    He is some wackjob that probably started talking to some girl somewhere online, he wanted a thrill kill, ran into a girl that claimed she wanted him to kill her and he did.
    To many things line up to show this.
    He killed her with her gun, the only way he would have that gun is if she gave it to him,and the only idea of giving someone your gun is if you wanna die. The amount of heroin she took probably straight numbed her. The fact people had said she was suicidal in the past. He could have talked her out of it, he could have done the right thing, instead she met the wrong guy at the wrong time.

    Is this murder 1 I think so, I think colorado should death penalty him and not look back. But I think the cops got the correct story out of him, using interrogation techniques

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    How long does a heroin high last?


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    Quote Originally Posted by mrkyle View Post
    Everyone has to remember anyone on heroin is always on it. The withdrawls alone can kill you. An addict is defined by there addiction.

    So every part of her life her emotions her decisions are made in part by her addiction. The story of craiglist makes a ton of sense. When you think of that. Also the fact a good looking girl like her would not normally associate with someone like the killer.
    I rarely post, but have to say an addict/ alcoholic is never defined by their addiction. Those who do define them as such, I donít blame, as society puts that stigma out.
    I am a recovering alcoholic and NEVER are we to be defined as such.

    Iím sure Natalie was an amazing person (and me having an identical twin myself drew me to this case).

    Can you please provide a link ďeveryone on heroin is always on itĒ and ďthe withdrawals alone can kill youĒ. I am not doubting you but links would be appreciative while saying the above quotes.

    All above is my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by MittenScarpetta View Post
    Iím honestly wondering if he has multiple personality disorder. Creating fake personas online that have such depth is not normal. It seems every character is a different person. Or maybe his virtual personalities affected him psychologically in real life. Or perhaps itís an intertwining of personality disorder meets fantasy online that exacerbated itself until he finally acted on one of his online personas in real life.

    Still, even if any of that is the case, it will never justify what he did nor will he be able to use that excuse in court because he seemed to function on a day to day basis just fine. JMO from what Iíve read and noticed.
    Quote Originally Posted by PetDetective View Post
    You may be on to something...went further back in his journal and found this entry...

    ďTrouble in Second life
    by naruto060695, Feb 11, 2012, 7:05:25 PM
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    A few days ago a memory of my past came rushing back at me. You see I am a spirit traveler and I am able to leave my body to cross the dimensions that most humans can not. My spirit has lived a long time, many wouldn't believe me if I told you. Anyway I was born in the dimension called Valamorea or Hell as we have come to call it. With Valamorea I have a family. I have a wife, two daughters and one son. Only my youngest daughter is related tome by blood, or so I believed. My oldest daughter never knew her real father an her. Her mother is my wife's youngest sister. Before I go on I need to say that most of my memories have been sealed away but have been slowly coming back for awhile now. Back to the story, I found out that before I was married I had slept with my wife's sister while we where dating. Around nine months before the the birth of my oldest daughter. She was told that her father was human so she would never see him. My wife's sister could care for the child for she was to under go some trial so I asked to care for the child until she returned. She was sent to this world in order to keep her safe and never returned to care for her daughter. So I cared for the child and she grew calling me daddy. Yesterday I put some pieces together and got some memory back, when I finally remembered that I was her father. I had asked to care for her because she was my daughter and I knew her mother's fate. I raised her like my own because she was my child. So now I know this information but I have no idea if I should tell my wife. I have kept this secret for over 300 years.Ē



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    He really doesn't show any of signs of Dissociative Identity Disorder (previously known as Multiple Personality Disorder). I always find it fascinating how often it comes up in cases - I really mean no disrespect but unfortunately the general public often don't realise how very very very rare this is. Think it's because of the media coverage of real and not-so-real examples, and also because it's just such a bizaare and confronting disorder.

    His writing could simply be what many people do online - write fiction as a form of escapism, expression, etc. His content is scary as well as his personas, but many 'normal' people can come up with similar - I'm a big fan of Stephen King - now there's some seriously scary fiction creation lol.

    But I would agree that what he writes about could be a reflection of underlying desires or thoughts he has. Sometimes writing about it will stop it needing to become a reality...until it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beth11311 View Post
    Iíd like to weigh in on the whole euphoria debate...while I have no way of knowing what Natalie was feeling, I can tell you, as someone sober for over 10 years from heroin, thatís itís not a sense of euphoria as in joy...there is nothing happy about it. Itís a numbness really, in my experience. Sometimes there is a sense of false ďwell-beingĒ if you will, but life when you get to that level is dark dark dark. If you get to the point where you are shooting heroin into your veins, something is seriously wrong in life, and there is no joy to be found anywhere. The relief I got was a temporary reprieve from soul-crushing sadness and pain and darkness, but it was still there, always there. I think itís absolutely possible someone high on H would still want to commit suicide while high, but even more so while coming down.
    Iím not saying I think Natalie was suicidal because at this point I have no clue. We know she was in the past, but thatís as far as Iíve come in my guessing as to what really went down. After reading the affidavit, what I am sure of is that JL entertained thoughts of capturing/torturing/killing someone long before he and NB crossed paths. He had personas that operated in psychopathic behaviors. Now whether she really did put out some sort of ad on Craigslist or not I donít know, but I do know he is a predator, and must be held accountable regardless of what Natalie did or didnít do.


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    I asked my brother what it was he liked about heroin once, he said, "Everything is just great. Everything is perfect--like you have no care in the world. I can't explain it."

    Yeah, but that's a temporary feeling.

    When an addict is so deep in the drug (and the needle); you see them dope sick (sweating, body aches, vomiting, pissed off when they're out of dope), then when they get their fix, their sickness resides & they're nodding off again.

    It's not a pretty sight.

    I wonder if NB was in that state. If so, JML could have easily dragged her out of the car, shot her, and split the scene within 8 minutes.

    NB was obviously still fighting depression & her inner demons as she was still cutting & using.

    I hope she's finally resting in peace.

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    Tuesday, February 14th:
    *Return Filing of Charges Hearing (@ 8:30am MT) - CO - Natalie Bollinger (19) (Dec. 28, 2017) - Joseph Michael Lopez (22) - arrested on 2/8/18 accused of 1st degree murder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eastcoasterinco View Post
    IF what JL claims is true, and my sense is that at least part of it is true, here are my thoughts at a high level:

    First possibility in my mind is JL and NB did get in touch over craigslist, but it was to purchase drugs or sell JMís gun for drug money. These posts are often written in code so they wouldnít flag any TOS. JL has a desire to kill and has his own fantasies and found NB as an easy target. She left her phone in her apartment (that part we still donít know for sure) because she was planning on jumping in JLís car to make the transaction and be done with it. Later, JM realized his gun was missing and called in the missing persons report. Due to NBís past suicidal tendencies and her RO on SS, LE took it seriously very quickly. In this scenario, it was a thrill kill.

    Second possibility IMO is that JLís claims are at least somewhat true. In this scenario, I speculate that NB desperately wanted to get away from her current situation, whether that included Domestic violence or not, and either didnít believe in suicide or simply couldnít bring herself to do it. She posted a CL ad, likely in code to avoid getting the post flagged. They texted a lot to get the details of what NB actually wanted done and why, and what payment would entail (my guess is the gun, but who knows). NB may have used her own phone but IMO JL likely used a burner phone or an easy-to-access app that allows you to change your number so he could have some level of security in moving forward with this plan. NB numbed herself with drugs and the rest unfolded.

    Then, when LE had brief access to NBís phone before it died (according to affidavit), they saw some (if not all) of the text messages and/or the CL ad. They determined from that that this was an isolated incident and informed the public they werenít in danger. They then took some time to go through all of NBís texts with JL (plus allllll the other social media data) and worked to identify JL through this fake number. It took some time.

    The last two possibility Iím working on right now are definitely the furthest stretch. Keep in mind this is all speculation.

    Someone in NBís life texted as her (they do not have to physically have her phone to do so, there are apps where you can type in any number and send texts as if itís from that number, when someone replies it goes to the app user, not the person who owns that number). This person made sure NB was heavily drug induced before telling her to meet JL outside to get some drugs, telling her to bring the gun for protection. Being so out of it, NB did as she was told and once in the car, JL started driving, thinking she was in on the plan. Perhaps it was even part of the plan that NB would act as if she didnít know what was going on, like a kidnapping - some people get off on sick fantasies like this.

    Last possibility, again highly unlikely, is that NB wanted to frame/punish people in her life by setting up this plan (very Gone Girl). She wanted to use her boyfriendís gun (this hasnít been confirmed) and she wanted it execution style - hoping LE would immediately suspect him.

    This is all my own opinion given what we know right now. MOO. What other theories do you guys have? What are your thoughts on any of the above?




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    The bf probably reported her missing soon after he had last seen her because he went through her phone himself and found the text between NB and JL.. I read somewhere that he didn't report his gun missing until LE came to his home and that was probably due to him not realizing it was gone yet, he went thru her phone, called LE, and after hanging up, read or realized where did she get a gun, so that prompted him to investigate the whereabouts of his.

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