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  1. #31
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    If you have a live birth where the baby becomes ill , or even if the baby is early... you're obligated to call 911 or the hospital .
    Hope that made sense.

    If the infant passes away before you could make the call -- you don't just go bury your baby.
    An autopsy will probably be scheduled by a doctor to determine cause of death.
    A good midwife will have you and the baby taken to the hospital if there are complications.
    I'm assuming this was a home birth.


    And who doesn't have a phone ?

    Negligent ? Concealing something ?
    Last edited by LietKynes; 02-13-2018 at 08:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LietKynes View Post
    Very sad if all of this was just a newborn who passed unexpectedly, and they panicked and buried her.

    But what a risky thing to do in this day and age--- of course the authorities are going to have some questions.
    If they couldn't afford a casket-- they could've asked for help. Or a pauper's burial and request the public for a small stone marker with a name ?
    Idk what the protocols are for each city.
    Is it possible some states allow burial on private land ?
    Thinking out loud.
    A two second google search comes up with a ton of resources to either help pay for proper infant/stillborn burial or cremation costs, or refer you to funeral homes who will help for no cost. If they brought the baby to the hospital, I am sure the hospital would help the parents figure out a better solution than treating their baby like the family pet hamster.

    I apologize if anything I say comes across as crass or if I offend anyone. Iíve been typing and deleting things because itís hard to put my thoughts on paper without sounding crass.

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    If they just wanted a quiet private home burial, I think it will be telling if they owned the property or not.

    Does this make sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bears10 View Post
    Do you have a link for the moms statement or msm with her name? I havenít seen anything with the parents name which struck me as odd since they publicized the babyís full name. I also think itís odd that it was reported earlier today that LE are talking to a couple they ďbelieveĒ are the babyís parents. Maybe it was just bad reporting. Maybe thereís more to the story. Idk.
    I just saw this.

    Colon said the investigation is continuing, including an examination of social media and text messages. He said the parents ďhavenít indicated anything to sayĒ the childís death was foul play.

    What is known about the parents?

    The parents, Colon said, have been cooperative. Riverside police are looking at reports of a Facebook post attributed to the childís mother on Dec. 21. The post reads, ďI gave birth last night to a beautiful little girl and we lost her an hour later. It hurts especially with Christmas being so close.Ē

    http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/new...WTUoa6sdhF1CM/

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    Quote Originally Posted by mom2four717 View Post
    If they just wanted a quiet private home burial, I think it will be telling if they owned the property or not.

    Does this make sense?
    Absolutely. I'm a forever renter, so one of my cats is buried in my friend's backyard and the other I had creamated.

    I'm also forever grateful for my father, who is known for his, uh, frugality. He paid for my child's funeral... I was only barely in my early 20s, I had no resources... I need to thank my daddy again. I was also fortunate enough to have access to family cemetery and extended family members who worked for a masonry place or whatever exactly it's called when one makes gravestones.

    Ugh. I need a nap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tillicum View Post
    I just saw this.

    Colon said the investigation is continuing, including an examination of social media and text messages. He said the parents ďhavenít indicated anything to sayĒ the childís death was foul play.

    What is known about the parents?

    The parents, Colon said, have been cooperative. Riverside police are looking at reports of a Facebook post attributed to the childís mother on Dec. 21. The post reads, ďI gave birth last night to a beautiful little girl and we lost her an hour later. It hurts especially with Christmas being so close.Ē

    http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/new...WTUoa6sdhF1CM/
    Wow. Thanks for posting.

    So they didnít even call 911 to try to revive their baby??

    If the parents narrative is true, that she didnít even know she was pregnant and then gave birth to a stillborn, why would she post that on Facebook? Instead of posting on Facebook for sympathy, maybe she could have quickly googled resources for a proper burial. Smdh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flourish View Post
    Absolutely. I'm a forever renter, so one of my cats is buried in my friend's backyard and the other I had creamated.

    I'm also forever grateful for my father, who is known for his, uh, frugality. He paid for my child's funeral... I was only barely in my early 20s, I had no resources... I need to thank my daddy again. I was also fortunate enough to have access to family cemetery and extended family members who worked for a masonry place or whatever exactly it's called when one makes gravestones.

    Ugh. I need a nap.
    Sounds like you had a loving father. I'm glad you had support during the loss of your kidlet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LietKynes View Post
    If you have a live birth where the baby becomes ill , or even if the baby is early... you're obligated to call 911 or the hospital .
    Hope that made sense.

    If the infant passes away before you could make the call -- you don't just go bury your baby.
    An autopsy will probably be scheduled by a doctor to determine cause of death.
    A good midwife will have you and the baby taken to the hospital if there are complications.
    I'm assuming this was a home birth.


    And who doesn't have a phone ?

    Negligent ? Concealing something ?
    All of this. Thank you for coherently saying what Iíve been struggling to put on paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flourish View Post
    Absolutely. I'm a forever renter, so one of my cats is buried in my friend's backyard and the other I had creamated.

    I'm also forever grateful for my father, who is known for his, uh, frugality. He paid for my child's funeral... I was only barely in my early 20s, I had no resources... I need to thank my daddy again. I was also fortunate enough to have access to family cemetery and extended family members who worked for a masonry place or whatever exactly it's called when one makes gravestones.

    Ugh. I need a nap.
    Flourish...
    May I offer my belated sympathy, on the loss of your child?

    We never really know, what pain our fellow human beings may have suffered when we meet them, which is why we might all consider honoring each person we interact with, with the same reverence, respect and love that we show all the victims here at Webslueths.

    I am truly sorry for your loss Flourish. You have a wonderful Daddy!

    Thank you for being here.

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    Thanks for the link, tillicum. That's where I got my info. Didn't mean to post and run!

    Another thought - maybe someone, either family or friends of mom who might not be in facebook, was following up as to the pregnancy and asked since she should be nearer to due date. You know, if my early premie theory is correct...When they heard of the situation, they felt the info should be mentioned to the authorities.

    PS - I know it's legal to bury a body on your property in NC, as long as you follow some guidelines (not too close to a well or source of fresh water, for instance) and REGISTER said burial with the county. The person making the report could have been trying to close that loophole, nothing more.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FL Wannabe View Post
    Thanks for the link, tillicum. That's where I got my info. Didn't mean to post and run!

    Another thought - maybe someone, either family or friends of mom who might not be in facebook, was following up as to the pregnancy and asked since she should be nearer to due date. You know, if my early premie theory is correct...When they heard of the situation, they felt the info should be mentioned to the authorities.

    PS - I know it's legal to bury a body on your property in NC, as long as you follow some guidelines (not too close to a well or source of fresh water, for instance) and REGISTER said burial with the county. The person making the report could have been trying to close that loophole, nothing more.
    But she said she had no idea she was pregnant. So idk if the premie theory can mesh with the parents narrative. The baby never saw the light of a hospital apparently. Why didnít they try to revive the baby if she was alive for an hour? Why didnít they immediately get mom and baby to a hospital after the home birth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FL Wannabe View Post
    Thanks for the link, tillicum. That's where I got my info. Didn't mean to post and run!

    Another thought - maybe someone, either family or friends of mom who might not be in facebook, was following up as to the pregnancy and asked since she should be nearer to due date. You know, if my early premie theory is correct...When they heard of the situation, they felt the info should be mentioned to the authorities.

    PS - I know it's legal to bury a body on your property in NC, as long as you follow some guidelines (not too close to a well or source of fresh water, for instance) and REGISTER said burial with the county. The person making the report could have been trying to close that loophole, nothing more.
    But if the baby was a surprise to the parents, how would another family member know if the parents didn't?

    I know a family who legally buried their father on their property here in Ohio several years ago but IDK what the laws are today.

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    Colon said the parents told police they didn’t know they were pregnant. And he couldn’t say if the infant was premature.

    “We’re only 72 hours into this investigation,” He said. “There’s lots of follow up with potential witnesses. The parents are cooperative at this current time, and we hope they remain cooperative with us.”

    http://wdtn.com/2018/02/13/baby-disc...n-parents-say/

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