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  1. #31
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    The more I think about this awful case the more I convince myself that the *fiance* did the stabbing a la Jodi Arias. I think she was enraged with jealousy and just snapped. How they set it all up I don't know but I do think she was the ringleader in this awful crime. MOO
    This too shall pass

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    This is disturbing. Seems a third person, an unidentified male, was mentioned by Lizette.
    I haven't seen any other mention of a third perp in other stories. I hope there's not another killer on the loose!

    http://m.goldenstatenewspapers.com/t....html?mode=jqm

    "According to Tracy police dispatch records, the department received a call at 3:21 a.m. informing them of the victim on Tesla Road who had been stabbed in the neck. Police were told the victim told CHP officers that the stabbing occurred somewhere in Tracy and named the two suspects and third unknown male person."

  3. #33
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    MOO, I think this was planned (based on suspect's mother's statement), I think they are sociopaths, and I doubt anyone just snapped.

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    I feel like his "story" of what happened is to make himself look like he is the cool guy getting sex from such a pretty girl. It has been stated ML was very jealous. I highly doubt she would drive along (and prego) and let her boyfriend have sex with someone - much less a girl that is much prettier than she is.

  5. #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by cybervampira View Post
    Mother of fatal Livermore stabbing defendant claims son is not guilty
    https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2018/02...court-hearing/
    Oh give it up. They both are guilty as hell. Your baby boy has free will, no body forced his hand, nobody forced his jealous fiance either, as her side claims, she was influenced by him.
    That poor girl suffered horrorically because both fed off each others perverse nature.
    I don't buy one word of his story about consensual sex, and tying up. Blah blah blah
    This has Wicked Attraction written all over it.
    I hope they both spend the rest of their lives behind bars where they belong. Till they take their last breath.
    That would be far more merciful than what they did to Lizette.

  6. #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by snapdragon View Post
    This is disturbing. Seems a third person, an unidentified male, was mentioned by Lizette.
    I haven't seen any other mention of a third perp in other stories. I hope there's not another killer on the loose!

    http://m.goldenstatenewspapers.com/t....html?mode=jqm

    "According to Tracy police dispatch records, the department received a call at 3:21 a.m. informing them of the victim on Tesla Road who had been stabbed in the neck. Police were told the victim told CHP officers that the stabbing occurred somewhere in Tracy and named the two suspects and third unknown male person."
    Hmmm that is curious, about a third unknown male. No word from LE about this, I assume?


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  7. #37
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beth11311 View Post
    Hmmm that is curious, about a third unknown male. No word from LE about this, I assume?
    No mention whatsoever. Perhaps it was erroneous reporting as happens sometimes. But it's still weird. No one has made any mention of the 3rd person comment, even on local social media.

  8. #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by AgeofAquaruis View Post
    This sounds eerily like the Adrianne Jones murder. Two brutal sociopaths proving their 'undying' love to one another.
    My heart, and prayers go out to Lizette's family, and loved ones.
    After hearing what Daniel Gross' Mother said, This is just like the murder of Adrianne Jones.
    Disgusting vile creeps. Both of them.

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    http://www.abc10.com/article/news/lo.../103-520645977
    If it weren't for Cuesta's dying declaration, investigators likely would have had a more difficult time tracking the suspects down. Cuesta's brave last act may be a heavyweight piece of evidence against the pair in the courtroom.

    What is a dying declaration?

    In a courtroom, hearsay is an out-of-court statement offered as truth. Generally, hearsay is inadmissible as evidence in a trial and is considered unreliable.

    However, there are exceptions to the rule.

    According to the California Evidence Code, a hearsay statement is not made inadmissible in a criminal or civil case under the Spontaneous, Contemporaneous and Dying Declarations section of Exceptions to the Hearsay Rule.

    It states:

    "Evidence of a statement made by a dying person respecting the cause and circumstances of his death is not made inadmissible by the hearsay rule if the statement was made upon his personal knowledge and under a sense of immediately impending death. "

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