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  1. #931
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    Quote Originally Posted by RANCH View Post
    I think that schools need to greatly increase security by using metal detectors and barriers to prevent unauthorized entry by armed individuals onto school grounds.
    It's the only thing to do if we're not going to take measures to address the causative problems.

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    For those of you who are complaining I am "censoring" you I need you to understand something;

    We will get NOWHERE with this discussion if we try and debate guns. We will not. This thread will meltdown and then it closes and we have no discussion.

    I want you to answer yes or no to a hypothetical question.

    Would there have been a school shooting had someone been able to step in, get this guy some help, perhaps intense in-patient therapy of some sort so that all the feelings of anger, hatred, and wanting to get even are eventually replaced with an understanding that he did not need to kill anyone? Yes or No?

    Let me answer that for you. NO there would not have been a school shooting.

    The real discussion is WHY. Not the method. Believe me, if guns were not available you would still have angry guys like this one. Remember Timothy McVeigh?

    How hard would it be to drive a car onto a school sidewalk and kill a bunch of people? How hard would it be to make a bomb from directions found on the internet? How about stabbing and killing 7 children?

    My point is you have to deal with the WHY are people picking up guns to kill innocent people?

    The question is WHY. Not why guns?

    Listen I am not talking about someone who picks up a gun in anger and kills someone or uses a gun for an armed robbery. For those type of situations yes, it would be wonderful if that person did not have a gun. I get that and I am all for logical gun control.

    I'm am talking about what we are seeing with respect to this discussion. We are seeing the well thought out, well planned, execution of innocent people. This time it was with a gun.

    I have been doing this a long time. I know what happens when we try and open up a topic where no one will change anyone's mind.

    For those of you who think I am a gun advocate, you are wrong. Just the opposite. It is obscene we allow people to buy AK=47's. If someone told me that if I turned in my gun then others would and our gun problem would be under control I would do it in a heartbeat.

    Why was this guy so angry? How could he have been stopped? Take the gun out of his hands and replace it with a bomb, a truck, a knife attack, poisoning food or water, whatever the way he chooses to deliver death is not what matters. What matters is the WHY????


    If you took all the guns away this person would still be angry and would find another way to kill a big amount of innocent people. If you took away this person's anger and hatred and/or mental illness then no one would have been killed.

    In closing, I want to say I know this seems like a simplistic way of looking at the situation. I do realize there are times when you give someone all the help they need and it still isn't enough. They are still a great danger to others. In those situations, the person either needs to be locked up or make damn sure they have NOTHING they can use to harm anyone including guns, knives, vehicles, poison, and the list goes on and on. It is almost an impossible situation to try and contain. I don't know the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsu View Post
    Umm. It most certainly can be a crime. You canít just walk around and threaten to shoot people.
    It can be but isn't always. What he said likely was not. It's got to be specific. Like a specific target or date, etc.
    For Elizabeth, a minor child, a victim. Thank God she is home!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fabvab View Post
    I posted that I thought he may have RAD because I was under impression he was 4 when adopted. I wonder if bio parents had any mental health issues. Although, now I am reading that he was autistic.

    There are proven genetic links to mental illness

    no different than a propensity for cancer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bears10 View Post
    I donít recall the same anger being directed at Clinton after columbine, bush after the Amish school shooting, or Obama after sandy hook. Iím not being sarcastic, I just really donít remember if it happened. I do remember though, that all of those presidents said they wanted to/were going to make changes. And here we are. What changes did they make? This has been an issue long before our current president. JMO
    Oh I think there has been plenty of outcry, anger and sorrow across all presidents. But perhaps the tipping point has been met because these tragic shootings are escalating and people feel quite powerless to stop it. The losses are multiplying.

    For me, there has been stone silence after Las Vegas where 500 plus citizens were shot, killed and wounded, some young just like these kids this week. That's a battlefield statistic. So, for me, dosen't much matter who is sitting in the Oval Office, or if they call the shooter mentally ill, or if now is not the time to talk about it, it's the silence, the inaction, the non-priority, of all our leaders, and now 17 more dead, and 14 more wounded.

    How much more violent has our world become? From both international and domestic terrorism... Quite a bit in the last 25 years.

    One president only has so much power at any given time. The solution is way too complex both in the mental state of the shooters and in how easy it has become to commit an atrocity. To even make a dent it's going to take all our leaders, at the top, congress, states, cities, towns, and our citizens... Question is, how much more silence can we take and how many more lives will we lose?


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    Thank You
    We lost our Carmen the most brilliant child, the world lost a very important person you guys have no idea. Out of all my kiddos I took care of 5 of them I dragged around town all gifted hi IQ etc she was younger and the smartest.
    National merit etc without even blinking an eye
    So sorry you lost such a bright young star from your life. Devastating. RIP Carmen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tricia View Post
    For those of you who are complaining I am "censoring" you I need you to understand something;

    We will get NOWHERE with this discussion if we try and debate guns. We will not. This thread will meltdown and then it closes and we have no discussion.

    I want you to answer yes or no to a hypothetical question.

    Would there have been a school shooting had someone been able to step in, get this guy some help, perhaps intense in-patient therapy of some sort so that all the feelings of anger, hatred, and wanting to get even are eventually replaced with an understanding that he did not need to kill anyone? Yes or No?

    Let me answer that for you. NO there would not have been a school shooting.

    The real discussion is WHY. Not the method. Believe me, if guns were not available you would still have angry guys like this one. Remember Timothy McVeigh?

    How hard would it be to drive a car onto a school sidewalk and kill a bunch of people? How hard would it be to make a bomb from directions found on the internet? How about stabbing and killing 7 children?

    My point is you have to deal with the WHY are people picking up guns to kill innocent people?

    The question is WHY. Not why guns?

    Listen I am not talking about someone who picks up a gun in anger and kills someone or uses a gun for an armed robbery. For those type of situations yes, it would be wonderful if that person did not have a gun. I get that and I am all for logical gun control.

    I'm am talking about what we are seeing with respect to this discussion. We are seeing the well thought out, well planned, execution of innocent people. This time it was with a gun.

    I have been doing this a long time. I know what happens when we try and open up a topic where no one will change anyone's mind.

    For those of you who think I am a gun advocate, you are wrong. Just the opposite. It is obscene we allow people to buy AK=47's. If someone told me that if I turned in my gun then others would and our gun problem would be under control I would do it in a heartbeat.

    Why was this guy so angry? How could he have been stopped? Take the gun out of his hands and replace it with a bomb, a truck, a knife attack, poisoning food or water, whatever the way he chooses to deliver death is not what matters. What matters is the WHY????


    If you took all the guns away this person would still be angry and would find another way to kill a big amount of innocent people. If you took away this person's anger and hatred and/or mental illness then no one would have been killed.

    In closing, I want to say I know this seems like a simplistic way of looking at the situation. I do realize there are times when you give someone all the help they need and it still isn't enough. They are still a great danger to others. In those situations, the person either needs to be locked up or make damn sure they have NOTHING they can use to harm anyone including guns, knives, vehicles, poison, and the list goes on and on. It is almost an impossible situation to try and contain. I don't know the answer.

    Thank you,
    Tricia
    No complaints here. It really ends up being an argument that goes in circles and escalates. It is hard to to discuss without referring to the elephant in the room but I think we see how it devolves. I'm not sure what we all think will be the end result of the debate. No one is going to change their mind who has a strong opinion.
    For Elizabeth, a minor child, a victim. Thank God she is home!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardenista View Post
    Florida school shooting: 19-year-old accused of killing 17 is a 'broken child,' lawyer says

    Public defender Melisa McNeill appeared with the school shooting suspect, 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz, at a brief court appearance today.

    "My children they go to school in this community and I feel horrible for these families," McNeill said, adding, "and Mr. Cruz feels that pain."

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/students-pa...es_bsq_related

    He may very well be a “broken child” ... who murdered 17 people. It’s not a license to kill, however. He was apparently whole enough to know how to purchase items and plan this attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scapa View Post
    In some cases, yes, But it's hard to rent a box truck and drive to the third floor of a high school.

    Not sure that anyone is making the argument that all forms of mass slaughter can be contained. But some forms are easier to prevent than others, so why not go for the lowest-hanging fruit?
    The box truck is easier to get than a gun, so it's the lowest-hanging fruit.


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    I only caught a bit of the report but reporter had a police call log. There were multiple calls to the house. Did anyone else catch that? So I assume due to the magnitude of calls this was when he lived with his Mother?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TooCurious View Post
    This would not have applied. Please post a valid link to support your position
    http://www.newsweek.com/trump-set-ov...ulation-557237
    The Social Security Administration finalized the standing rule in December under President Barack Obama. With the regulation, the SSA was required to identify and report to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) individuals who are unable to work because of severe mental impairment and can’t manage their own Social Security financial benefits, and therefore were ineligible to buy guns. The thought was that those certain Social Security recipients could pose a danger to themselves or others.
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    OK well after glancing at the posts I can see I have a lot of work to do.

    Posters are already insulting each other over guns.

    This thread is closed until I find the time to clean it up and open a new one.

    How many minds were changed about gun control because of this thread? How many of you thought, "hmm that poster was right to insult me. I've changed my mind I now believe that guns...".

    Back when I can.

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    New thread is open.

    CLICK HERE
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