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Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff’s Department at (765) 564-2413.

Information can also be emailed toAbbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

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DO NOT post photos of random individuals (including persons featured in MSM articles about other area crimes) to compare to the images of unidentified suspect on the bridge.​


Do not sleuth family, PERIOD. This includes previous public records which have nothing to do with this case. They are victims here. Plain and simple.

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The Indiana State Police can share, that thus far, there has been no information developed to specifically include or exclude Daniel Nations as a suspect in the Delphi homicides. Both state police detectives returned to Indiana late afternoon of October 2nd and will continue to review information gathered over the course of their visit to El Paso County, Colorado

Could Daniel Nations, 32, get angry enough to pull a hatchet on people he felt offended him, as his arrest charges allege? "Possibly," his wife, Katelyn Nations, 30, told The Gazette. "In a fit of rage, yes."

DO NOT SLEUTH DN's friends, family, former neighbors, employers, etc. Discuss what is available about DN via media and LE.
 
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Hey Everyone,

Abby and Libby's thread is open.

From now on we are going to stick to our rules and discuss only those suspects or POI"s that have been in the mainstream media.

No more random sketches. Please do not even ask.

Terms of Service in case you need a refresher course :)

As Monty Python would say "And now for something completely different".

I need a favor from someone who knows this case.

If you could please post a quick update on Abby and Libby&#8217;s case I would really appreciate it.

Most of us can&#8217;t follow this case like some of you so we are woefully behind.

More than one poster can post an update. That&#8217;s great.

Consider things like:

*What happened with Daniel Nations? Is he still a possible suspect?
*What is the latest from law enforcement?
*What is the latest from the girl&#8217;s loved ones?

Something along those lines would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Tricia
 
gregjrichards said:
I&#8217;m really glad the case was on Megyn&#8217;s show. Here is a link if you missed it - https://www.today.com/video/familie...en-up-about-still-unsolved-case-1137315395635
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Me too, gregjrichards. Thank you for your continued updates. Hoping for a 2018 with many answers to stop this man.
https://www.today.com/video/familie...en-up-about-still-unsolved-case-1137315395635

At about 13 minutes Ms. Kelly mentions (paraphrased)
NBC affiliate WTHR reports that 'the search has been extended by the FBI into South Eastern Tennessee'

Police Superintendent Doug Carter is tracking with what is going on in Tennessee and he considers this a nationwide search.



View attachment 128860 Southeastern Tenn.
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Interesting, (my brief notes) that LE says no witness saw him, and that the body type and posture of that man on that bridge on that day should tell somebody who knows him who he is, nationwide. That it could be somebody who did this before and do it again because of the alacrity of the crime. So this freak may have covered a lot of ground over time, but honed in on Delphi for some reason.

He may have tried and failed at abductions before or since farther away?
 

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Hi Everyone,

Thought it best to start a new thread.

A reminder in case you missed my post above, no more random sketches or pictures of persons who are not POI's.

Again if someone could please post a quick update for those who may be new to the case I would really appreciate it.

Thanks and carry on, please.

Tricia
 
kkdj said:
If so they could rule people out.
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I asked Sheriff Leazenby if investigators thought the killer was an outsider or living among them. "We've discussed that. From the lay of the land, so to say, where this occurred, it would almost have to be someone who is originally from this area and knew how things were laid out, or it's someone who came to our area, if you will, and studied it. For it to be an outsider, yes it's possible, but they sure had to put a lot of work to putting something into this."

Everyone is pleading that anyone, even with the smallest tip, should call police. It could be the break needed to solve this unthinkable crime, and with DNA evidence from the scene, Sheriff Leazenby thinks the case will be solved. "I wish I could say tomorrow. Obviously I can't, but I feel like somewhere down the line we will get justice for these girls."

http://www.wndu.com/content/news/Unsolved-The-Delphi-Murders-473950973.html
 
kizzykat said:
Some transcript snippets:

7:39 mark:
Supt Carter: In all of my career I don't ever remember having the photograph of the person we believe is responsible. I don't ever remember having the voice of a person that we think is responsible. Or having a sketch of the individual that we believe is responsible. So -if, if all of you closed your eyes for just a moment and you thought of a family member but you didn't think of them from the neck up - you would know how they stand, and the clothes they wore and their posture. You would know that voice. I would know it if was my father, just like you would know it if it was yours. Somebody out there knows who this person is. And I'm, fortunately, I'm not gonna say unfortunately, fortunately we have such a relationship with you that you've kept this front and center. Because we couldn't do it. We just (shaking head), we couldn't do it. But you guys are. I don't think there's multiple pieces to the puzzle, ladies and gentlemen, I think there's one piece, and it's having one individual with the strength to say 'that was my brother' or 'that's my dad' or 'that's my cousin' or 'that's my neighbor, it's my coworker'. That's all we need. And I think we're one piece away. One piece.

9:44
Male reporter: Daniel Nations has been called a person of interest. What does that mean to the Indiana State Police when you say someone is a person of interest?
Supt Carter: Well, I, I, I think the inverse to that statement is until there's somebody arrested we're interested in almost everybody. But we uh, we, we, as you all know, we went out to Colorado and we spent a little bit of time with him. And he's not a person that we uh, care a whole lot about at this moment in time. And that's all I'll say about Daniel Nations.

Approx 12:25
Alexis McAdams: You have the killer's voice, you have his picture, you have a detailed sketch, that's more information than a lot of cases that you guys have had in the past and solved. One year later you have all that information, (inaudible & brief, can't make out what she asks).
Supt Carter: Hmmph. Answer the question for me. I wish I could answer it. I wish I could answer it. I've said, um, locally, statewide and even nationally that, that sometimes our citizenry doesn't trust us. And I acknowledge that and recognize that, that we are not without sin. I know that. And I would just like to think that the person that might know about this maybe doesn't trust us and doesn't want to tell us. That they don't think we can protect them. Oh yeah, we can. Yeah we can. And we've got to work to, to regain that community's trust. These communities trust. And I think that we're getting there. Um, that's not a million dollar question, that's a billion dollar question. And I'd give my life to be able to answer it.
Male Reporter: Have you been able to clear anybody in this case?
Supt Carter: Um, I think that the people that we have talked to at this point in time, we feel confident that uh, there was no involvement.
Female reporter: (inaudible) Why haven't you released more of the video, to give an idea of the gait and how he walked, and I think the comment was you weren't comfortable at that time, you weren't at that point of doing that. One year in, are you now considering doing this to give us more to work with?
Supt Carter: No. We are not. We think that we've released enough now that um, if there's a possibility of identifying the killer based on that photograph we'll be able to do that. And that's all I can say about the video and audio that we have.

14:19
Female reporter: Can you tell me more about this suspect (muffled) do you believe he was a transient, is he in the state, is he anywhere in this country?
Supt Carter: Billion dollar question. I don't know.

(Stopping there for now.)
http://www.wlfi.com/content/news/LIVE-STREAM-EVENT--473948353.html
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Bumping for anyone who missed.
 
Let's try this again shall we?

Please do not discuss random people who you think might be the perp.

If you feel you have a legitimate tip for the police CLICK HERE for the tipline and more info.

Let me stress that the police need your help but please use common sense when calling in a tip.

Let's not go off into the twilight zone on this thread OK?

Thanks,
Tricia
 
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gregjrichards said:
I asked Sheriff Leazenby if investigators thought the killer was an outsider or living among them. "We've discussed that. From the lay of the land, so to say, where this occurred, it would almost have to be someone who is originally from this area and knew how things were laid out, or it's someone who came to our area, if you will, and studied it. For it to be an outsider, yes it's possible, but they sure had to put a lot of work to putting something into this."


Everyone is pleading that anyone, even with the smallest tip, should call police. It could be the break needed to solve this unthinkable crime, and with DNA evidence from the scene, Sheriff Leazenby thinks the case will be solved. "I wish I could say tomorrow. Obviously I can't, but I feel like somewhere down the line we will get justice for these girls."

http://www.wndu.com/content/news/Unsolved-The-Delphi-Murders-473950973.html
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Thank you Gregjrichards

That is pretty clear. With DNA from the scene. They might have a lot of samples - some identified and some not-
But when they find the match from a suspect to one of the samples, they will have their killer.

I think they should LE should be investigating the 6 county area of Delphi for men of the right age, height, and race who have old convictions (or arrests that were plea dealt down,) for rape assault or similiar crimes of domination. Bank robbery too, if had intimidation factor. Any crime where the victims or LE noted the fast and efficient pace of the crime.
There is something like the act of stealing about this crime, in addition to the violence and terrorizing.
 
Here is the 3 pic gif :

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And the same gif with a marked area, so one gets a better feeling for the movements:

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-Nin
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Does it look to anyone else like part of his right sleeve is sticking out? Maybe his right sleeve has some kind of pocket with a flap. Bomber jackets often have a pocket on the left sleeve; maybe this is some kind of reversible jacket.

What is the round, reflective object near his right wrist? It looks too big to be a watch. Could it be a compass clipped to the top of his pants or to his belt?
 
Boxer said:
Thank you Gregjrichards

That is pretty clear. With DNA from the scene. They might have a lot of samples - some identified and some not-
But when they find the match from a suspect to one of the samples, they will have their killer.

I think they should LE should be investigating the 6 county area of Delphi for men of the right age, height, and race who have old convictions (or arrests that were plea dealt down,) for rape assault or similiar crimes of domination. Bank robbery too, if had intimidation factor. Any crime where the victims or LE noted the fast and efficient pace of the crime.
There is something like the act of stealing about this crime, in addition to the violence and terrorizing.
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Except, LE have never stated that they have the PERP'S DNA. Of course there was DNA at the crime scene, but from whom, and how usable is it? I don't see how they could possibly have the perp's DNA, but not be able to include or exclude POI's as possible suspects. That just wouldn't make any sense.


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newredtabby said:
Except, LE have never stated that they have the PERP'S DNA. Of course there was DNA at the crime scene, but from whom, and how usable is it? I don't see how they could possibly have the perp's DNA, but not be able to include or exclude POI's as possible suspects. That just wouldn't make any sense.


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They may have DNA, for instance from a discarded soda can or cigarette butt, but not know if it is the killer's or unrelated. Maybe they have DNA from six different people. They also don't know if they have the killer's DNA. So, if they have a suspect but that suspect doesn't match to any DNA at the scene, that doesn't necessarily mean they're not the killer or weren't involved in some way.

If that is the case, the DNA is still useful to LE because they would try to get the suspect in a lie... saying something like I've never been to that area.
 
Not sure I've ever seen this clumped together and discussed before ..maybe it has and I just don't recall , but what are all the Known Deviations From Normalcy in the days and hours prior to the girls being murdered?

1. The girls were up all night long the day before it happened. (Info from a public video BP shared of KG giving a speech a few days ago)
2. This was Abby's first time crossing the bridge.
3. There was no school that day.

What else ? And what Insight or Clues can be derived from these things?

Finding out that the girls were up all night February 12th-13th opened up new questions in my head. Now this is conjecture but wouldn't it be likely to say during all those hours in the middle of the night they probably used social media at some point? I don't know of any teens that age who go that long without touching their phone. Which makes me wonder who might they have been chatting with and what was said?


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2265948680089307&id=100000225927071
 
BoggLed in Ohio said:
Not sure I've ever seen this clumped together and discussed before ..maybe it has and I just don't recall , but what are all the Known Deviations From Normalcy in the days and hours prior to the girls being murdered?

1. The girls were up all night long the day before it happened. (Info from a public video BP shared of KG giving a speech a few days ago)
2. This was Abby's first time crossing the bridge.
3. There was no school that day.

What else ? And what Insight or Clues can be derived from these things?

Finding out that the girls were up all night February 12th-13th opened up new questions in my head. Now this is conjecture but wouldn't it be likely to say during all those hours in the middle of the night they probably used social media at some point? I don't know of any teens that age who go that long without touching their phone. Which makes me wonder who might they have been chatting with and what was said?


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2265948680089307&id=100000225927071
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IMO they were probably on SM most of the night. Were the girls being catfished by an online predator on meth?
 
Try2solve said:
IMO they were probably on SM most of the night. Were the girls being catfished by an online predator on meth?
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Wouldn't LE have been able to ferret out that kind of information fairly easily?
 
BoggLed in Ohio said:
Not sure I've ever seen this clumped together and discussed before ..maybe it has and I just don't recall , but what are all the Known Deviations From Normalcy in the days and hours prior to the girls being murdered?

1. The girls were up all night long the day before it happened. (Info from a public video BP shared of KG giving a speech a few days ago)
2. This was Abby's first time crossing the bridge.
3. There was no school that day.

What else ? And what Insight or Clues can be derived from these things?

Finding out that the girls were up all night February 12th-13th opened up new questions in my head. Now this is conjecture but wouldn't it be likely to say during all those hours in the middle of the night they probably used social media at some point? I don't know of any teens that age who go that long without touching their phone. Which makes me wonder who might they have been chatting with and what was said?


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2265948680089307&id=100000225927071
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That's interesting, I'd not heard about the girls being up all night on that date. I've always just "felt" (I know not scientific) that the girls were sort of waiting for someone/on the bridge for a reason. Just really from my own experience of being a girl at that age, I'd go out in the New Forest more with a group of friends, boys and girls. Just me and a close female friend at that age, more likely to be at one of our houses or the shops.

I've discounted that because I know that Abby and Libby were more outdoorsy girls than I was. And they come from a different country/culture and generation from me. But it never really went away. Just that something was going on in their world. Again, I thought catfishing, but as Ozoner said, I thought well LE surely would have tracked that down from their computers, (phones if they have them) or phone records.
Just the odds of a random maniac coming across them on that bridge by chance, I know it happens but there's just this nagging doubt for me that something has been missed, some sort of maybe indirect connection.

Apologies for not being able to provide a link but I remember hearing in a reputable podcast that it is statistically relatively common for the name of the actual perpetrator to be considered/flagged up/interviewed once or even more times early on in an investigation but passed over for whatever reason. And especially I would imagine where LE are getting so many tips to deal with. I know they will be going back over everything constantly but it wouldn't surprise me if that turns out to be the case here, if please God, this case is ever solved.
 
Ozoner said:
Wouldn't LE have been able to ferret out that kind of information fairly easily?
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That's what I have always assumed for quite a long time now also but now I'm not so sure. I don't know a whole lot about how that kind of thing works in tracing.. but say for instance ..what if he was using the dark web or a stolen cell phone to communicate with or something weird like that?
 
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