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    If the moms had done something to Hannah or Devonte, in front of the other kids, I don't think they could have controlled them very well. Wouldn't they have tried to escape?

    I think they would have had to separate them somehow first and give a good excuse for the situation.


    I was wondering if maybe they had set up camp in a remote camp ground, and 'pretended' to leave the 2 of them to watch the camp, while the rest went to get supplies? But maybe the 2 were poisoned or something, without the other kids knowing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluesneakers View Post
    How did people get their contact info, seriously?

    I don't know why this is so hard to believe, especially after the ugliness we've seen directed at crime victims and their families, but if you think it's all made up then I don't know what more to tell you. I do not want to defend these women. Believe it or don't.
    When things do not make sense to me, there is something wrong in my eyes.

    First of all, the photographer is a Vietnamese man. Vietnamese are subject to much discrimination. As a matter of fact even though they put their lives on the line during the war, they are now subject to deportation. The photographer says that he got positive feedback. Nothing negative.

    The Harts probably had a cell phone and were renting. Media could find their address but how easy is it for the average person to find the address of renters?

    Portland area is huge. The kids were not in school. It sounds as if their friends were festival friends so it does not seem like they had contact with the general public.

    I wonder about rhe mechanics of finding someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnlites View Post
    People troll others for all kinds of reasons. My job makes me have a more public persona than most and I depend upon the general public for my livelihood. Although I'll get the occasional rude comment about my actual work (someone didn't like it or they have a valid criticism or complaint) I also get 10-20 trollish comments every week from people who are literally just being mean. They'll write me and make fun of my hair, criticize my looks (which have nothing to do with what I do for a living), make fun of one of my features, etc. Sometimes they'll cyber sleuth me and find things about my kids and make fun of THEM. Trolls troll because they enjoy getting rises out of people. That's what they do and it's why they do it. No other reason. And I absolutely believe that the Harts got obnoxious comments from people over that picture-not honest criticisms but people just being mean. A regional nightly news program did a story about me a few weeks ago and I am STILL getting messages from people, once again, making fun of everything from my looks to my house. I'll occasionally get the "you're so ugly you should die" remark. (And, excuse my conceit here, but I am far from "ugly" but even if I was, it's just cruel.) I once got a message from someone who had found a toddler picture of my daughter with Santa Claus. They said that they had shared it with a pedophile group and that the consensus was that she was, "An abomination but still rapeable." That was on Facebook. I reported it and FB closed that person's account, but I am sure they opened up another one within minutes. While people DO generally move on and turn their attention elsewhere, there's always someone new discovering the story.

    There are those who get angry for valid reasons (they don't agree with what the person in the story was doing, they see an injustice, etc.) but just as many lash out in anger for reasons that don't make any sense at all (or they're just jealous because someone else got attention). It's really hard to say but it happens a lot.

    And how do people find folks? I guess the same way that we do on here-they sleuth. :-) All you really need is a first and last name, or else a first or last name and town of residence. With technology and social media being what it is, folks are easy to track down these days.
    People are strange, that is for sure. And the things that you have said that have happened to you are very concerning. When people start talking about your kids, that is what would freak me out.

    My kids have jobs that require security, so their info is locked down good enough. I have never seen anything directed at my kids or grandkids so I cannot say from personal,experience what I would do.

    Have you ever felt the need to move like the Harts did?

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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    If the moms had done something to Hannah or Devonte, in front of the other kids, I don't think they could have controlled them very well. Wouldn't they have tried to escape?

    I think they would have had to separate them somehow first and give a good excuse for the situation.


    I was wondering if maybe they had set up camp in a remote camp ground, and 'pretended' to leave the 2 of them to watch the camp, while the rest went to get supplies? But maybe the 2 were poisoned or something, without the other kids knowing?
    I agree, I don't get it either. It makes no sense to me. I thought for sure when this latest body was found, that would squash that theory. But apparently some people will not believe the entire family was in the car, until they locate the very last body. Unfortunately that might never happen. Because the ocean doesn't always give up the dead. They are still looking for one of the Thottappilly family members bodies, and that is in a river. The ocean is a lot bigger, and a lot harder to find bodies in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaaBoom View Post
    I agree, I don't get it either. It makes no sense to me. I thought for sure when this latest body was found, that would squash that theory. But apparently some people will not believe the entire family was in the car, until they locate the very last body. Unfortunately that might never happen. Because the ocean doesn't always give up the dead. They are still looking for one of the Thottappilly family members bodies, and that is in a river. The ocean is a lot bigger, and a lot harder to find bodies in.
    The “mothers” had to ask why CPS was interested in their family.

    Who knows what Devonte told them. I am sure he knows about protecting himself. Do you think the mothers punished him or do you think they simply jumped in the car and then what??? What kind of discussions would you have dor all of those hours in the car.

    Apparently they drove all night the first night?


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    Quote Originally Posted by KaaBoom View Post
    I agree, I don't get it either. It makes no sense to me. I thought for sure when this latest body was found, that would squash that theory. But apparently some people will not believe the entire family was in the car, until they locate the very last body. Unfortunately that might never happen. Because the ocean doesn't always give up the dead. They are still looking for one of the Thottappilly family members bodies, and that is in a river. The ocean is a lot bigger, and a lot harder to find bodies in.
    All the bodies in the river found.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.e9e103dc6a4a

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteorchids View Post
    Thanks, I hadn't seen that. It's still a lot easier to find bodies in a river, then in the ocean. Probably they are just going to have to wait and see if the other bodies wash up on the shore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaaBoom View Post
    Thanks, I hadn't seen that. It's still a lot easier to find bodies in a river, then in the ocean. Probably they are just going to have to wait and see if the other bodies wash up on the shore.
    Being gruesome here, but is the ocean there rocky? I think after all,of this time being smashed by big waves and by being in the water with sea creatures, I wonder what rhe chances are that rhey will show up

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    Quote Originally Posted by human View Post
    The “mothers” had to ask why CPS was interested in their family.

    Who knows what Devonte told them. I am sure he knows about protecting himself. Do you think the mothers punished him or do you think they simply jumped in the car and then what??? What kind of discussions would you have dor all of those hours in the car.

    Apparently they drove all night the first night?
    I don't know. Maybe they just told the kids to get in the car. They were going to take a trip to the coast. We know that the kids did try to escape and get help, more than once. So I doubt they had any idea what the moms had planned, or they would have tried to escape again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by human View Post
    Being gruesome here, but is the ocean there rocky? I think after all,of this time being smashed by big waves and by being in the water with sea creatures, I wonder what rhe chances are that rhey will show up
    This article says bodies in the ocean will become partially skeletonized after about 30 days, and completely skeletonized after three months. So I don't think they have much more time to find them.

    How long do dead bodies remain intact in the ocean_ - Scientific American Blog Network

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaaBoom View Post
    Thanks, I hadn't seen that. It's still a lot easier to find bodies in a river, then in the ocean. Probably they are just going to have to wait and see if the other bodies wash up on the shore.
    Heck, it's hard to find bodies in a lake or pond! They've come back up to the top years after they disappeared, and even after searches have gone through it. (FWIW, I believe the whole family was in the car. The only scenario I could where they would not be is if one of the kids ran away from home and, for fear of being "found out" or whatever, the mothers took the rest of the kids and skipped town. However, if that had been the situation then I think the child would've shown up by now.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnlites View Post
    People troll others for all kinds of reasons. My job makes me have a more public persona than most and I depend upon the general public for my livelihood. Although I'll get the occasional rude comment about my actual work (someone didn't like it or they have a valid criticism or complaint) I also get 10-20 trollish comments every week from people who are literally just being mean. They'll write me and make fun of my hair, criticize my looks (which have nothing to do with what I do for a living), make fun of one of my features, etc. Sometimes they'll cyber sleuth me and find things about my kids and make fun of THEM. Trolls troll because they enjoy getting rises out of people. That's what they do and it's why they do it. No other reason. And I absolutely believe that the Harts got obnoxious comments from people over that picture-not honest criticisms but people just being mean. A regional nightly news program did a story about me a few weeks ago and I am STILL getting messages from people, once again, making fun of everything from my looks to my house. I'll occasionally get the "you're so ugly you should die" remark. (And, excuse my conceit here, but I am far from "ugly" but even if I was, it's just cruel.) I once got a message from someone who had found a toddler picture of my daughter with Santa Claus. They said that they had shared it with a pedophile group and that the consensus was that she was, "An abomination but still rapeable." That was on Facebook. I reported it and FB closed that person's account, but I am sure they opened up another one within minutes. While people DO generally move on and turn their attention elsewhere, there's always someone new discovering the story.

    There are those who get angry for valid reasons (they don't agree with what the person in the story was doing, they see an injustice, etc.) but just as many lash out in anger for reasons that don't make any sense at all (or they're just jealous because someone else got attention). It's really hard to say but it happens a lot.

    And how do people find folks? I guess the same way that we do on here-they sleuth. :-) All you really need is a first and last name, or else a first or last name and town of residence. With technology and social media being what it is, folks are easy to track down these days.
    Yikes. That is a lot of cruelty. Hope you and your family are okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by claudianunes View Post
    Yikes. That is a lot of cruelty. Hope you and your family are okay.
    I handle it a lot better than I used to. :-) It kind of comes with the territory. If you put yourself out there and get any kind of attention, you're welcoming in the bad along with the good. I have no trouble believing that the Harts got a lot of negativity for that picture, and that some of it was probably pretty awful. The anonymity of the internet means that people are a lot more forward in their attacking. (None of that, of course, excuses any of the Harts' behavior.)
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    * Disappeared from a friend's house in Berea, Kentucky in June, 2013
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    CA - Hannah, 16, Devonte, 15, & Sierra Hart, 12, Mendocino County, 26 Mar 2018 #5

    Quote Originally Posted by human View Post
    When things do not make sense to me, there is something wrong in my eyes.

    First of all, the photographer is a Vietnamese man. Vietnamese are subject to much discrimination. As a matter of fact even though they put their lives on the line during the war, they are now subject to deportation. The photographer says that he got positive feedback. Nothing negative.

    The Harts probably had a cell phone and were renting. Media could find their address but how easy is it for the average person to find the address of renters?

    Portland area is huge. The kids were not in school. It sounds as if their friends were festival friends so it does not seem like they had contact with the general public.

    I wonder about rhe mechanics of finding someone.
    My sister rents. If you google her, her address comes up. Not hard.

    Eta - I think you’re severely underestimating the willingness and efforts of trolls to doxx people, sometimes for no reason at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bears10 View Post
    My sister rents. If you google her, her address comes up. Not hard.

    Eta - I think you’re severely underestimating the willingness and efforts of trolls to doxx people, sometimes for no reason at all.
    I sat here just now and looked up 10 people I went to high school with, not knowing anything but the women's maiden names. I found them all within minutes-addresses, phone numbers, and social media pages. And you're right-doxxing is a really big thing and happens a lot. As I said earlier, trolls troll just for the fun of it sometimes and for no other reason.

    ETA: One of my colleagues was a FB friend with Jen. She said that she looked her up and found her after the picture of Devonte came out. They began a friendship after connecting. So yes, the women were apparently fairly easy to find.
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    Find Brooke
    AGE: 19 HEIGHT: 5'1" WEIGHT: 110 lbs
    * Disappeared from a friend's house in Berea, Kentucky in June, 2013
    * Last text to a friend stated "I'm scared"
    * No other clues have been uncovered
    https://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ea-22-Jun-2013

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