He's on a suicide watch now. The motive remains unknown so far . The dead boy was said to have had a wonderful music career ahead of him .I wouldn't be surprised to hear this is another one of those "he stopped taking his meds" stories . It makes no sense . Looking at the picture of the older brother , it looked like he couldn't live with what he had done. Who could? To kill him and then do that to the body-cathieq said:I've been reading about this case. Whatever was he thinking? I guess he thought he'd dispose of the body parts in different places, hoping they'd never be found. Their poor mother!
desertjade said:He's on a suicide watch now. The motive remains unknown so far . The dead boy was said to have had a wonderful music career ahead of him .I wouldn't be surprised to hear this is another one of those "he stopped taking his meds" stories . It makes no sense . Looking at the picture of the older brother , it looked like he couldn't live with what he had done. Who could? To kill him and then do that to the body-
The poor mother has just lost two sons .
I saw the pictures on NBC10.com and a timeline of events on The Mercury .Bobbisangel said:This is just horrible. Just so sad. I wonder how long he drove around with body parts in his vehicle? He is married with two children. Now his kids have to grow up with the knowledge of what their dad did to their uncle. It seems that now days if you don't like something another person said or did, etc, the solution is to murder them. It just gets worse and worse.
Where did you see the picture of the brother? I read the link that is posted but didn't see any pictures.
How appropriate to be under "related" photos.cathieq said:Pictures can be found at the link below, at the top right under Related Photos.
Full article: click here"In the end, while the media continues wringing their metaphorical hands and engaging in their usual nonuseful sensationalismin this case, focusing upon the gruesome details of Jonathan's murderand others scratch their heads and wonder how someone could do such a thing to their very own brother, it will likely be lost to most that this tragic incident exemplifies one of the many problems of mental illness in America today. Otherwise put, what happens when young adults are faced with caring for a mentally ill parent? While the results in this case are on the extreme end of the spectrumand must of course be addressed from the legal standpointpeople would do well to not be lulled into the naive belief that situations such as this are rare. Unfortunately, they are not and the type of stresses involved are not only very real to those who are caring for mentally ill loved ones but can have devastating and far-reaching effects. Effects that society rarely sees unless they result in murder and mayhem."
WOW ! That article really blew me away ! Brilliant !shadowraiths said:
Part of the problem is we only get a tiny glimpse of part of the picture. And yes, I considered potential inheritance issues. He was apparently also a paramedic, which probably does not pay that well (but may have predisposed him to being able to dissociate himself from what he was doing to his brother's body after he killed him). In any event, I try my best to stick with what is known and speculate from that. What I do know is that mental illness takes a terrible toll on families. And if I were to suggest a way to curb these types of horrible situations, I would push for community education *and* support.concernedperson said:I also wonder if Stephan had additional stressors i.e. financial woes depending on outcome of a divorce, perception that Jonathan was usurping his inheritance, thoughts that he would be the financial responsibility as well as caretaker of his mother. In other words, the world to 5 people as far as providing and caregiving. Not knowing his past
mental issues, I would think a paramedic reacts quickly to an emergency situation. Maybe the brothers got into a fight for your life...does Stephan have any injuries?
Arguably, dismemberment is extreme. However depending upon the context, it is not all that uncommon. I have seen it in various cases running the gamut from a fight gone bad to cases involving a psychopath playing out his/her fanatasies. From what I have read, most cases seem to revolve around getting rid of the evidence rather than the latter (i.e., Dahmer, Gein, etcetera).concernedperson said:The dismemberment is extreme to say the least. This is a fairly complex set of factors. IMO. Granted mental illness affects all of the family but I believe it was an add on not the full story.
I agree with you about the family dynamic bit. We simply do not truly know, and I could be completely off base with my speculation (which is all that it is). As far as faults. I am not so much thinking in terms of faults, rather what can potentially be learned? If that makes any sense.concernedperson said:I didn't want to quote your entire post but there are ambiguities.Something about Stephan and the whole family dynamics is up in the air for me. But, I don't know if our mental health system can fix it without prior notification.
The fault lies frequently with families in denial..the same as child molestation cases. I won't give CPS a free pass but I know first hand about dysfunction in families. A bar-be-que would be in order if anyone questioned anything. Just personal experience not a barameter.
shadowraiths said:I agree with you about the family dynamic bit. We simply do not truly know, and I could be completely off base with my speculation (which is all that it is). As far as faults. I am not so much thinking in terms of faults, rather what can potentially be learned? If that makes any sense.
I agree. And it looks like I may have been wrong. There are some very odd descrepancies in what is being reported, which I have noted in this article.concernedperson said:Every time we post something about personal knowledge or an observation we are educating. The choices are up to the individual. It can only go so far. We can be beating our heads against a rock or someone listens. I choose to keep posting in hopes that someone listens and intervenes.
The early signs that don't make a lot of sense are good indicators of future behavior. I don't expect that I will be on the public block as an icon but if one person recognizes abhorrent behavior or feels that certain behavior should be looked at closer, than the message is sent. That is what we can do and do it non-stop.
Just trying all the time.
concernedperson said:Every time we post something about personal knowledge or an observation we are educating. The choices are up to the individual. It can only go so far. We can be beating our heads against a rock or someone listens. I choose to keep posting in hopes that someone listens and intervenes.
The early signs that don't make a lot of sense are good indicators of future behavior. I don't expect that I will be on the public block as an icon but if one person recognizes abhorrent behavior or feels that certain behavior should be looked at closer, than the message is sent. That is what we can do and do it non-stop.
Just trying all the time.
concernedperson said:I didn't want to quote your entire post but there are ambiguities.Something about Stephan and the whole family dynamics is up in the air for me. But, I don't know if our mental health system can fix it without prior notification.
The fault lies frequently with families in denial..the same as child molestation cases. I won't give CPS a free pass but I know first hand about dysfunction in families. A bar-be-que would be in order if anyone questioned anything. Just personal experience not a barameter.
blonde1 said:I feel very cynical writing this, but is it possible that the younger brother was doing a fine job of taking care of Mom, but his brother had some monetary interest in getting custody? Two years trying to reconcile a relationship, paying a lawyer and child support -- forgive the speculation, but maybe it's just about who gets the benefits his mother's collecting...
JMO