Thank you angelwngs. It always stood out to me how dark that one mark was. Interesting.angelwngs said:I read probable brusing from snaps or buttons...???...
SuperDave said:The clothing snap one is the subject of much discussion. If you look closely, you can see this boat-shaped mark in it. Now, there's a clothing line for kids, La Petit Bateau, that makes snaps like that.
(Doesn't that sound like something Patsy would buy?)
If I recall correctly, JBR had been laying on the right side of her face. On the autopsy report, livor mortis is noted on the body right...anything she would have been leaning against would have left an imprint...like the button or snap on a jacket, like maybe the jacket she had been wearing that night? Which means that she had been killed, laid around and cooled while wearing that jacket...ah, are you all starting to see what I see?SuperDave said:The clothing snap one is the subject of much discussion. If you look closely, you can see this boat-shaped mark in it. Now, there's a clothing line for kids, La Petit Bateau, that makes snaps like that.
(Doesn't that sound like something Patsy would buy?)
Trocaria said:If I recall correctly, JBR had been laying on the right side of her face. On the autopsy report, livor mortis is noted on the body right...anything she would have been leaning against would have left an imprint...like the button or snap on a jacket, like maybe the jacket she had been wearing that night? Which means that she had been killed, laid around and cooled while wearing that jacket...ah, are you all starting to see what I see?
Do we know with all certainty that the home was the primary crime scene????:banghead:
The marks on the back were the two rust colored holed, inches apart weren't they? They were smaller if I recall than that round darkened mark on the lateral angle of the mandible. Lemme go look again. I want to be sure.Maybe So said:How did she get the 2 similar marks on her back?
I've put out a question to my embalmer's group, regarding livor and imprints.Trocaria said:The marks on the back were the two rust colored holed, inches apart weren't they? They were smaller if I recall than that round darkened mark on the lateral angle of the mandible. Lemme go look again. I want to be sure.
Trocaria said:http://www.moval.edu/faculty/wilsona/_private/modified%20l16a_files/frame.htm#slide0025.htm
Found it! I knew that I had seen this!
Per this site,
"Livor Mortis- such blanching will carry [the] imprint of what ever object it is in contact with, (eg: carpet, bedspread ect)
Here now is the most telling part:
If livor mortis is fully developed, (8 to 12 hours), such imprints on the blanched area will remain even if the body is moved afterwards.
If that round hole is not part of a stun gun burn, what in the heck was that child leaning against? Anyone seen a pic of her in the jacket she wore that last night?
The marks on the back are like the marks left by the Air Taser stun gun. The one on the face is different.Maybe So said:I still don't buy the theory. She had snaps against her face and against her back? Why would she still be in a jacket?..if she was awake and eating pineapple in her home then I doubt she was still dressed in a jacket or coat by the time of her murder 1 or 2 hours later.
Are there autopsy photos somewhere (stupid question, I know) of someone WITH Air Taser marks? Guess I'll try a google on that.SuperDave said:"The marks on the back are like the marks left by the Air Taser stun gun."
Not even close.