Tony Bennett
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Why did Madeleine 'go missing'?: POLL
I'm not sure if I will meet your criteria for an appropriate response, but I'll try to give you my version of a not so cogent reason for my belief...Clearly premeditated murder comes within 'killing' but is understandably treated more seriously by the courts when it comes to sentencing.
I've read on the Madeleine case intensely for around 8 months now and am aware of the reasons why people say Madeleine was murdered with premediation.
I am not at all persuaded, and if I had been premeditating something like that, I am sure there would be many easier ways of doing it than making such a botched claim of an abduction, apparently leaving traces of blood and the scent of death in the apartment. And premediated by whom? Just the McCanns? Or others as well?
If you have cogent reasons for believing this was premediated, as opposed to a swift, clever and calculated response to an unforeseen death, please share with us what those reasons are
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I would think that premeditated murder could have been carried out in a much more "believable" fashion. Like a tragic accident or a accidental poisoning in their own home.
This whole case stinks of a panicked reaction to a sudden circumstance.
IMHO, of course.
I'm not sure if I will meet your criteria for an appropriate response, but I'll try to give you my version of a not so cogent reason for my belief...
First, I do not believe the murder/cover-up of Madeleine McCann was botched. Far from it. It's been a year, and the McCanns have been basically living off of donated money high on the hog. They are no closer to being arrested today than 12 months ago. Besides having their arguido status lifted, they have received everything they have asked for/demanded. They have more influential supporters/backers than Heinz has pickles. They have 7 lovely amazingly devoted friends that have risked their careers and families for them. There is nothing botched about any of it. The trial would be over and the McCanns tucked safely in prison if Madeleine's disappearance was poorly planned. Which is my point in believing it was pre-meditated murder.
Don't you think it's odd that no one besides family has spoken publicly about Madeleine? Preschool teachers, Sunday school teachers, baby sitters, Nannies, neighbors...Where are they? We know nothing about Madeleine because no one really knew her. All we know are hints from Kate. The Grandma's don't even talk much about her except to say she was "lovely". Really, all we know is from Kate.
So, we have an IVF child, who was often too much for Kate to handle. A science experiment gone bad if you will, for 2 Doctors who see death frequently, and have become callous to it. I believe there was much more to poor little Madeleine. I believe Madeleine suffered from a lifelong developmental delay, (Probably Autism, PDD-Nos or something equally difficult), and Kate & Gerry could not deal with it. Being narcissistic, they could not let an imperfect child interfere with their perfect life...Remember Gerry's comment on the bus..."We are not here to have fun".
They did their homework, everything was planned. If you think a million +pound fund could be established within a week of a freak abduction, I would rethink it again. Wheels of progress do not work that quickly unless the wheels are already in motion. Supposedly one of the Tapas friends suggested the holiday getaway, and I think Kate and Gerry jumped at the opportunity. I think they chose Portugal because it was a geographically close foreign country with a language barrier and a Police force that had very little experience with missing children. The holiday friends were perfect companions...gullible and needy for friendship. I don't think any of the Tapas group know the real truth, but at least 2 more know she is dead and think it was an accident.
Tony Bennett wrote:
REPLY: Though this is an area largely hidden from our view, you may be on the right lines. However, I do balance that by noting that there are many many pictures of a smiling, happy Madeleine who looks well fed, turned out and cared for. Unfortunately if a child is left on their own whilst the parents are out enjoying themeslves, and if one or both is plastered with alcohol or stoned with drugs, anything can happen. A loss of control is very likley in such circumstances, especially given the account on some Forums that the McCanns were summoned at their drinking den (on 1 or 2 May - accounts differ) because Madeleine had apparently been sobbing her heart out crying 'Daddy' for between 75 minutes and 2 hours (again, accounts differ)
iNTERESTED WOMAN,
'Autism' is of course quite a broad term for something that, as I understand it, does not have a proven genetic cause.
I am sure you are right that some autistic children exhibit the kinds of features you describe. And we know of course from Kate McCann's own mouth that Madeleine cried a lot for - was it the first 18 months? - of her life.
There is however another disagnosis that might fit here.
Namely: Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.
The specific cause of this is the mother drinking considerable quantities of alcohol, especially during the first three months of pregnancy. The diagnosis of 'autism' has frequently been made when, on further analysis, 'Fetal Alcohol Syndrome' would be the more accurate diagnosis.
Another way of putting it would be to say that some children are autistic because of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.
In Kate McCann's case we have reports - not denied - that she drank a lot of alcohol at Univeristy. We also know that whilst at Praia da Luz last May, she and her friends were knocking back rather a lot of wine and strawberry daiquiris.
Thus to raise the possibility that Madeleine was born with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is not by any means far-fetched.
As for the effects of alcohol consumption by the mother on an unborn child, and a description of the nature and effects of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, rather than attempt to describe these myself, I'd refer you to sites on the Internet which go into this in more detail.
It has to be said that this is a relatively recentlly-recognised condition and also that it seems to be on the increase
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I don't believe Madeleine was autistic or FAS, but I do think she was a more high spirited child. If she had been autistic, I think more signs of that would have showed up in her schooling and daycare, and by all accounts she blended well with the other children.
That doesn't mean that Kate didn't struggle with Madeleine and her temperament any more than if Maddie had been autistic. I have thought a long time about how much Kate talks about Sean and Amelie...they seem to be very easy-temperament children, and of course, being twins, they will play with and amuse each other. Not like Madeleine, who like a typical first born daughter, will expect a lot of interaction and attention. Maddie seemed to have been much more difficult in the early days than Kate expected.
It's not only autistic children who can be difficult infants. A friend with an autistic son once reminded me that the "ends" of the spectrum have more in common with each other than they do with the average in the middle. So my older daughter was as sensitive to loud sounds as his autistic son, among other things. My younger daughter also qualifies on the gifted range (for whatever that's worth, LOL) and she was an extremely difficult infant. Hypersensitive, colicky, and extremely strongwilled, she would have been a difficult baby for someone coming with strong ideas and opinions about how having a baby would be.
Also, with Kate's narcissistic traits, it would be even harder for her to deal with a child that did not complement her vision of herself as a "responsible parent."
Kate was a high-achieving individual who seems to have been kind of the "top girl' from early days. So much so, that even now, when she gets critical comments, her mother agrees with her that it "must' be because Kate is a not a fat, fluffy, middle aged mom figure. No! Of course it must be because they are jealous of Kate!
Look how often Kate talks about what good parents they are, how she never, ever, ever gives even a hint of self-doubt or allows it to creep into the conversation. It's either extreme defensiveness, or a supreme arrogance, and for the life of me, I still can't figure out which one it is.
:doh:My vote is for supreme arrogance Texana, they think they have fooled the world with their lies, deceit & manipulation!
What's the difference between God & a doctor?
God doesn't think he's a doctor!!!!!
I don't believe Madeleine was autistic or FAS, but I do think she was a more high spirited child.
That doesn't mean that Kate didn't struggle with Madeleine and her temperament any more than if Maddie had been autistic. I have thought a long time about how much Kate talks about Sean and Amelie...they seem to be very easy-temperament children, and of course, being twins, they will play with and amuse each other. Not like Madeleine, who like a typical first born daughter, will expect a lot of interaction and attention. Maddie seemed to have been much more difficult in the early days than Kate expected.