What the Heck Is Wrong With Huckaby?

[gitana1]

I chose other...but maybe should have chosen the more than one of the above. I think she was homicidal. I would like to know what meds she was on for her depression. Some of them can provoke homicidal thoughts.

Did anyone else read Kat's post on the fires that she may have started in a house where she rented a room? She also has been investigated for theft two different times (and those were just the times she was caught.....so many other times do we want to guess that she got away with it?). And now we come to find out that she was investigated for a missing child who was drugged with benzos just weeks ago!

Roll just what we know into a ball and I am seeing a person with complete lack of impulse control and wonder if she was ever treated for ADHD as well or if she was diagnosed with any mania such as cleptomania, etc.

I think that her lying chunks her nicely in with your garden variety sociopath, but haven't seen enough of her to figure that one out. She sure lied with verve and was so smooth... they just rolled right off of her tongue.

Her "suicide attempt" of eating xacto blades was, in my opinion, not driven from a desire to kill herself but a way to get attention/shift the focus off of her Grandfather. To this day I bet she is twisting the facts to her atty and family because she cannot stand to look bad to her "perfect" family. I think her grimaces in the courtroom were just in response to hearing the ugly part of her crimes read aloud. As long as she can keep the details to herself she is fine with it but to hear them read aloud she cringes back... as she does not want others to see her that way.

Dang... I am just taking a stab at this... I am not sure what I think.. sorry for thinking outloud.. LOL I have psyche background as an RN but am an open heart nurse LOL

Yes! And from what I have read, people with Munchuasen's type disorders, which I feel are merely seriously pathological attention seekers, often create false stories in which they are the victim of a crime such as rape or in which they are the hero saving someone else. Significantly, some have also been known to commit, or are suspected of commiting, arsons, usually of their own property. The suicide attempt with razor blades as well as the fact that she has a thin "sickly" daughter would correspond with this.
ETA: But, I don't know. After reading the other posts, there are so many reasoned theories out there. It does seem that her pathology is complex because I actually see her as having traits of many different disorders. Sociopath seems to fit but they usually don't set themselves up to get caught. A Munchausen's type disorder also fits but that doesn't explain the pedophilic aspect. Pedophilia also fits except that doesn't go hand in hand with things like lying about or causing crimes to get attention, i.e. the suspected arsons, the rape alleagtion, the domestic violence allegations which I bet are false. Just plain evil also sounds good except for the possible past depression, suicide attempts and order for psych treatment. Perhaps we'll never know. Again, perhaps it does not matter as long as justice is served but I must admit that criminal psychology fascinates me. I want to know what causes this abhorrence. I want to know how evil begins.

[daisy.faithfull]

The American Psychiatric Association Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition Text Revision (DSM-IV-TR) criteria for Pedophilia (302.2) are:

A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger);
B. The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty;
C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.
http://www.medem.com/medlib/article/ZZZUZRUZGLC

Based on the above, I think that she at least is a pedophile. I think that there other issues going on I just can't tell at this point and I don't think that I have a complete enough understanding of the ones that I do suspect.

I feel pretty confident in ruling out Münchausen syndrome by proxy because it is my understanding that parents with this induce signs of illness in their children to seek attention specifically from those in the medical community, to be involved with the community at hospital etc. I think that MH is too absorbed by her own psychological issues to be engaging in that kind of activity. I think it is possible she neglects her little girl.

I don't think that she a sociopath or psychopath.

I think that it is a great question because she is such an unusual monster. I bet all the psychologists are scratching their heads and asking each other the same thing.

[southerngirl]

My layman's diagnosis:

Borderline personality disorder (She has truly classic symptoms)
Post-traumatic stress disorder
Traits of antisocial personality disorder

[BeanE]

(my bolding)

Somewhat OT but In an article I read it stated that Huckaby's daughter M was a happy but sickly child. It didn't elaborate. I am trying to track down the exact article or report I saw this in.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/13/...ect/index.html

Huckaby, who grew up in Orange County, California, moved in with her grandparents about eight months ago, according to the Contra Costa Times. She did so in part so that she'd have more time "to take better care of her daughter, who ... gets sick a lot," Browning told the Chronicle.

California resident Cynthia Browning, Huckaby's great-aunt

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full...et=push&open=&

[elle1919]

I think she is a pedophile with psychopathic tendencies

[azwriter]

I chose OTHER. She's just EVIL.

[Sweetie_PI]

IMO: MH is classic for MPD. Multiple Personality Disorder. Occurs USUALLY when extreme physical and sexual abuse takes place as a child. The coping mechanism is the developing persona splits. The new persona has a different identity and has capabilities not "native" to the original ID. Hence a personal may have total recall, may be extremely strong, may have the violence the normal persona would never have. The muscle patterns are so different the face can show a "different person" almost in the same body.

Listen to what the husband described of her: problems with "self persona" "who she saw herself as". Also, many comments along these lines "she doesn't even look like the same person".

[This MPD splitting was even experimented on children by psychologists in the 1950's and 1960's that I know of, and one psychologist in N. California keyed me into what all was going on behind one U. door's on that level, before it was shut down, or whatever. Now with drugs, MPD persona's can be installed almost with precision, I am told.]

Other than scopolamine (google that, a/k/a "the perfect drug") used to commit crimes against men, women, and children leaving no memory, this very dicey MPD stuff is the holy grail of pedo rings. I doubt anyone without considerable training and money would even attempt it. Then again, who's to say pedo rings don't OFTEN include people with considerable juice and/or $$$.

SO, I shall hold to my original vote, it is a ring, it involves some people who can keep this under wraps for a long long time, perhaps even in some cases I know of to quash police reports?? ...and not only in N CA but also perhaps in S. CA... etc. etc. So the whole truth behind this sort of thing never comes out, and it's time to STOP THAT!!!

No, she did not act alone. I suspect when she's back on drugs she doesn't know who she is at all. At the very least she was a product of a ring, and someone was supposed to keep a handle on her. The grandparents it seems, of course, not her own parents. So follow that line of questioning. Go right back to WA state and follow there. But to bring her back to the same MHPark? I'd say speak with the other Baptist minister in town who said "there's a HISTORY" with that church. I'd bet it goes back MORE than 50 years.

AND I guarantee ya these two kids are not the only ones. Would bet the farm on it.

And the organized "racketeering" mentality behind pedo rings - now THAT'S EVIL. EVIL is also the intention to coopt otherwise normal humans into a soulless life of unspeakable harm to other sentient beings.

[newuser]

I choose sociopath....or evil, but I think a better choice for the way I really feel is "I don't give a bloody rat's tail". I don't care what is wrong with her, sorry if that makes me mean, but I don't see why it matters what's wrong with her. Something is clearly wrong, so lock her away somewhere and don't make her famous for being sick and a murderer.

[fran]

I voted all of the above. But I also feel she's 'then some.' She's clearly sick, whatever the reason of her alleged crime(s).

IMHO, that'll most likely be the defense as well,..........*not guilty by mental defect.*

Whatever the 'reason,' IF she's found guilty, she should NOT be out in society. PERIOD.

JMHO
fran

[KoldKase]

Very interesting theories here. Thanks for starting this thread, gitano. I have been fascinated by criminal pathology for many years, but I have to say it's finally wearing thin with me.

One thought in response to the question of the various crimes possibly committed by Huckaby: Ted Bundy committed many types of crimes, including a number of known thefts, which he was very much into planning. He used cons in some, as well, and he was caught occasionally at it. I am trying to drag that out of my memory, and one thing that comes to mind is he conned a store out of a stereo...or something like that...?

Bundy had so many educated, successful, professional people believing his "good law student" facade that he managed to penetrate state politics and enter into some lofty inner circles there.

All by way of saying that we don't actually know what Huckaby's pattern is yet. As has been said here, wherever she has gone, bad things happened. Individually, they were minor enough for her to slide by--until now. Now they will all be looked at very carefully by LE and we may see someone criminally astonishing revealed.

I just can't get past the "feeling" that Huckaby has a vicious, mean streak in her which she conceals until she "strikes". Have you ever interacted with someone who actually enjoys causing misery to others? Actively pursues that? Is truly a sadist? I have, and it's bone chilling, because they seek opportunities to dominate and injure others by finding a way to make them vulnerable. That's the tone of Huckaby's trail of misery left behind her that I keep hearing.

Who is more vulnerable than children?

[KoldKase]

IMO: MH is classic for MPD. Multiple Personality Disorder. Occurs USUALLY when extreme physical and sexual abuse takes place as a child. The coping mechanism is the developing persona splits. The new persona has a different identity and has capabilities not "native" to the original ID. Hence a personal may have total recall, may be extremely strong, may have the violence the normal persona would never have. The muscle patterns are so different the face can show a "different person" almost in the same body.

Listen to what the husband described of her: problems with "self persona" "who she saw herself as". Also, many comments along these lines "she doesn't even look like the same person".

[This MPD splitting was even experimented on children by psychologists in the 1950's and 1960's that I know of, and one psychologist in N. California keyed me into what all was going on behind one U. door's on that level, before it was shut down, or whatever. Now with drugs, MPD persona's can be installed almost with precision, I am told.]

Other than scopolamine (google that, a/k/a "the perfect drug") used to commit crimes against men, women, and children leaving no memory, this very dicey MPD stuff is the holy grail of pedo rings. I doubt anyone without considerable training and money would even attempt it. Then again, who's to say pedo rings don't OFTEN include people with considerable juice and/or $$$.

SO, I shall hold to my original vote, it is a ring, it involves some people who can keep this under wraps for a long long time, perhaps even in some cases I know of to quash police reports?? ...and not only in N CA but also perhaps in S. CA... etc. etc. So the whole truth behind this sort of thing never comes out, and it's time to STOP THAT!!!

No, she did not act alone. I suspect when she's back on drugs she doesn't know who she is at all. At the very least she was a product of a ring, and someone was supposed to keep a handle on her. The grandparents it seems, of course, not her own parents. So follow that line of questioning. Go right back to WA state and follow there. But to bring her back to the same MHPark? I'd say speak with the other Baptist minister in town who said "there's a HISTORY" with that church. I'd bet it goes back MORE than 50 years.

AND I guarantee ya these two kids are not the only ones. Would bet the farm on it.

And the organized "racketeering" mentality behind pedo rings - now THAT'S EVIL. EVIL is also the intention to coopt otherwise normal humans into a soulless life of unspeakable harm to other sentient beings.

That's quite a theory you have here. I don't suppose you have any sources to back up some of your claims? Like the implant of "personas" by a University?

Or maybe some names and sources for all the claims you're making?

I am not discounting that this could have been a child porn/pediphile ring, but the magnitude of your accusation does require some kind of evidence before I'm going to believe any of it. I've seen this kind of theory before, and I have yet to see any back up for the claims. Thanks in advance.

[arielilane]

Very interesting theories here. Thanks for starting this thread, gitano. I have been fascinated by criminal pathology for many years, but I have to say it's finally wearing thin with me.

One thought in response to the question of the various crimes possibly committed by Huckaby: Ted Bundy committed many types of crimes, including a number of known thefts, which he was very much into planning. He used cons in some, as well, and he was caught occasionally at it. I am trying to drag that out of my memory, and one thing that comes to mind is he conned a store out of a stereo...or something like that...?

Bundy had so many educated, successful, professional people believing his "good law student" facade that he managed to penetrate state politics and enter into some lofty inner circles there.

All by way of saying that we don't actually know what Huckaby's pattern is yet. As has been said here, wherever she has gone, bad things happened. Individually, they were minor enough for her to slide by--until now. Now they will all be looked at very carefully by LE and we may see someone criminally astonishing revealed.

I just can't get past the "feeling" that Huckaby has a vicious, mean streak in her which she conceals until she "strikes". Have you ever interacted with someone who actually enjoys causing misery to others? Actively pursues that? Is truly a sadist? I have, and it's bone chilling, because they seek opportunities to dominate and injure others by finding a way to make them vulnerable. That's the tone of Huckaby's trail of misery left behind her that I keep hearing.

Who is more vulnerable than children?

Excellent post KoldKase. I believe Ted Bundy even had Ann Rule fooled.

Your last paragraph scares me, but I think you may be onto something. It certainly seems to fit her.

[Sweetie_PI]

KoldKase - You can certainly suppose that I do! I do have litigation quality proof for every single one of my assertions. I am not sure here is the place to put all of it or which assertions you would like it. Be more than happy to share.

In any case the most notorious/well known case is that of the research done by Dr. Robert Heath in Tulane University. Required reading on this is: Tulane: The Emergence of a Modern University, 1945 – 1980 (Louisiana State University Press, 2001) documents, among other things, how Tulane became involved in one of the most nefarious projects associated with the Cold War period.

It does deal with intentional splitting of the mind under drugs, using young subjects. although that was hardly the only organization or time period for which evidence is available.

"Or maybe some names and sources for all the claims you're making? "

Let me know which ones so I can provide in Q N A form. Please tell me which claim you are referring to and I would be happy to back it all up.

Thanks.

[SarahW]

Munchausen's has been mentioned repeatedly - It occurs to me that the kidnappings could possibly have roots in or connection to this disorder.

How widely publicized was the local pedophile/child porn ring? What if ( and this is wild speculation, of course) she was causing harm to children in the neighborhood in order to make it look like the neighborhood, and hence her own daughter, were in jep? That perhaps she had worse plans for "January victim" but was foiled by the mother's call to police?

[Peculiar Petunia]

Based on the above, I think that she at least is a pedophile. I think that there other issues going on I just can't tell at this point and I don't think that I have a complete enough understanding of the ones that I do suspect.

I feel pretty confident in ruling out Münchausen syndrome by proxy because it is my understanding that parents with this induce signs of illness in their children to seek attention specifically from those in the medical community, to be involved with the community at hospital etc. I think that MH is too absorbed by her own psychological issues to be engaging in that kind of activity. I think it is possible she neglects her little girl.

I don't think that she a sociopath or psychopath.

I think that it is a great question because she is such an unusual monster. I bet all the psychologists are scratching their heads and asking each other the same thing.

I have to agree with Daisy.Faithfull here. Definitely not Munchausen's by proxy until I see some medical info on her daughter. But the razor blade swallowing? Maybe a little plain ol' Munchausen's.

I'd say pedophile mixed with something else. What, I don't know yet.