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  1. #1486
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    I am a little overwhelmed right now and could use some help.
    While researching this case I came across the following. Please have a look at the top link (Diane Carrier)then take a look at the second link. Scroll down 10 pictures on the left. There are a few more in there too. What do you think? I have no dates.

    http://www.411gina.org/cases/carrierdiane.htm

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/peoplestemple/page16

    When you get time you should really look through all these pictures of the people's temple. There are many possible matches to the victims in this case.
    That could explain alot. Like why no one has been looking for them. Maybe their families disowned them for being a part of this cult or maybe they were part of it themselves and died in the mass suicide that Jim Jones instructed.
    There was a wave of defectors in 1975 and 76.

    Is there any forums here for the people's temple, Jim Jones, Jonesville, etc.
    If not, there really should be. In my research of it I have come across unsolved murders and missing person cases.
    I was just reading an article about a morgue that had discovered they were in the possession of remains from the suicide that had never been identified.
    Something like this could solve a lot of missing person cases.
    Thanks for any help or opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T rex View Post
    I am a little overwhelmed right now and could use some help.
    While researching this case I came across the following. Please have a look at the top link (Diane Carrier)then take a look at the second link. Scroll down 10 pictures on the left. There are a few more in there too. What do you think? I have no dates.

    http://www.411gina.org/cases/carrierdiane.htm

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/peoplestemple/page16

    When you get time you should really look through all these pictures of the people's temple. There are many possible matches to the victims in this case.
    That could explain alot. Like why no one has been looking for them. Maybe their families disowned them for being a part of this cult or maybe they were part of it themselves and died in the mass suicide that Jim Jones instructed.
    There was a wave of defectors in 1975 and 76.

    Is there any forums here for the people's temple, Jim Jones, Jonesville, etc.
    If not, there really should be. In my research of it I have come across unsolved murders and missing person cases.
    I was just reading an article about a morgue that had discovered they were in the possession of remains from the suicide that had never been identified.
    Something like this could solve a lot of missing person cases.
    Thanks for any help or opinions.
    I don't see any resemblance to Diane Carrier.

    Was there any particular picture that stood out to you on the flickr site?

  3. #1488
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozoner View Post
    I don't see any resemblance to Diane Carrier.

    Was there any particular picture that stood out to you on the flickr site?
    None at all???
    I'm referring to the picture of the little girl getting her hair fixed by another little girl. And there's another picture of the same girl.
    Now, since that post I have found it again with a date. It says the picture was taken in 1978 but I'm not taking the word of the people's temple.
    I'm not saying that it is Diane Carrier but if there's no resemblance at all (LoL) I may as well delete my account and get my fishing rod back out. It's only 12 degrees .
    But seriously, it is sad that they made this little girl drink Kool aide with cyanide in it, regardless of who she was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T rex View Post
    I am a little overwhelmed right now and could use some help.
    While researching this case I came across the following. Please have a look at the top link (Diane Carrier)then take a look at the second link. Scroll down 10 pictures on the left. There are a few more in there too. What do you think? I have no dates.

    http://www.411gina.org/cases/carrierdiane.htm

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/peoplestemple/page16

    When you get time you should really look through all these pictures of the people's temple. There are many possible matches to the victims in this case.
    That could explain alot. Like why no one has been looking for them. Maybe their families disowned them for being a part of this cult or maybe they were part of it themselves and died in the mass suicide that Jim Jones instructed.
    There was a wave of defectors in 1975 and 76.

    Is there any forums here for the people's temple, Jim Jones, Jonesville, etc.
    If not, there really should be. In my research of it I have come across unsolved murders and missing person cases.
    I was just reading an article about a morgue that had discovered they were in the possession of remains from the suicide that had never been identified.
    Something like this could solve a lot of missing person cases.
    Thanks for any help or opinions.
    I don't see a resemblance, sorry. The "funny" thing is that Jamestown or the idea them fleeing from a cult group and being "punished", also went through my mind. I saw (I think on Pinterest) a lot of pictures/tributes to those who died there. If I remember correctly there were only a few people identified in the proper way, so to speak. There is a whole conspiracy theory around Jonestown..interesting to read.
    I would like to ask some attention for this Jane Doe. her thread on WS https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?322618-IL-Lemont-Twp-WhtFem-1174UFIL-UnkAge-Tattoos-Joe-64-amp-Swe-Jul-79/page2&highlight=1174UFIL Found Lemont Township, Cook County, Illinois on 7/13/1979, White female, age about 35-45, strangled. Post Mortem interval unknown.The woman had 2 Tattoos over her chest Joe and number 64 beneath that and something starting with Swe….? Not in Namus, no further information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T rex View Post
    None at all???
    I'm referring to the picture of the little girl getting her hair fixed by another little girl. And there's another picture of the same girl.
    Now, since that post I have found it again with a date. It says the picture was taken in 1978 but I'm not taking the word of the people's temple.
    I'm not saying that it is Diane Carrier but if there's no resemblance at all (LoL) I may as well delete my account and get my fishing rod back out. It's only 12 degrees .
    But seriously, it is sad that they made this little girl drink Kool aide with cyanide in it, regardless of who she was.
    Please stay. Yes there is a resemblance, curly hair. And the idea of people missing from America or elsewhere ending up there is a good one. But for the this does, I'm not sure the timeline fits...and yes, its a horrific part of history.
    I would like to ask some attention for this Jane Doe. her thread on WS https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?322618-IL-Lemont-Twp-WhtFem-1174UFIL-UnkAge-Tattoos-Joe-64-amp-Swe-Jul-79/page2&highlight=1174UFIL Found Lemont Township, Cook County, Illinois on 7/13/1979, White female, age about 35-45, strangled. Post Mortem interval unknown.The woman had 2 Tattoos over her chest Joe and number 64 beneath that and something starting with Swe….? Not in Namus, no further information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T rex View Post
    None at all???
    I'm referring to the picture of the little girl getting her hair fixed by another little girl. And there's another picture of the same girl.
    Now, since that post I have found it again with a date. It says the picture was taken in 1978 but I'm not taking the word of the people's temple.
    I'm not saying that it is Diane Carrier but if there's no resemblance at all (LoL) I may as well delete my account and get my fishing rod back out. It's only 12 degrees .
    But seriously, it is sad that they made this little girl drink Kool aide with cyanide in it, regardless of who she was.
    I might not have seen that particular picture; I'll take a look again when I'm on a desktop instead of an android.

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    The letter from the so called 8 revolutionaries (8 students) who left Jonestown in 1973 for obvious reasons.....

    http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=14076

    1. John Biddulph
    2. Walter Wayne Pietila
    3. Vera Biddulph
    4. Mickey Touchette
    5. Hulena [Lena] M. Flowers
    6. Tom Podgorski
    7. Terri [Cobb] Pietela
    8. Jim Cobb (James Cobb Jr.)

    Maybe Jock and Jane were with them, have to research more, age etc. what became of them....
    I would like to ask some attention for this Jane Doe. her thread on WS https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?322618-IL-Lemont-Twp-WhtFem-1174UFIL-UnkAge-Tattoos-Joe-64-amp-Swe-Jul-79/page2&highlight=1174UFIL Found Lemont Township, Cook County, Illinois on 7/13/1979, White female, age about 35-45, strangled. Post Mortem interval unknown.The woman had 2 Tattoos over her chest Joe and number 64 beneath that and something starting with Swe….? Not in Namus, no further information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bit of hope View Post
    The letter from the so called 8 revolutionaries (8 students) who left Jonestown in 1973 for obvious reasons.....

    http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=14076

    1. John Biddulph
    2. Walter Wayne Pietila
    3. Vera Biddulph
    4. Mickey Touchette
    5. Hulena [Lena] M. Flowers
    6. Tom Podgorski
    7. Terri [Cobb] Pietela
    8. Jim Cobb (James Cobb Jr.)

    Maybe Jock and Jane were with them, have to research more, age etc. what became of them....
    There isn't any evidence pointing to that scenario. If Jock and Jane had been with any kind of cult or hippie commune, there's no reason to think that it was that one. We should be looking for horses before zebras and zebras before unicorns. The Jonestown scenario is a unicorn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozoner View Post
    There isn't any evidence pointing to that scenario. If Jock and Jane had been with any kind of cult or hippie commune, there's no reason to think that it was that one. We should be looking for horses before zebras and zebras before unicorns. The Jonestown scenario is a unicorn.
    Thx Ozoner, It's just a hunch....could you please make your signature a little shorter?
    I would like to ask some attention for this Jane Doe. her thread on WS https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?322618-IL-Lemont-Twp-WhtFem-1174UFIL-UnkAge-Tattoos-Joe-64-amp-Swe-Jul-79/page2&highlight=1174UFIL Found Lemont Township, Cook County, Illinois on 7/13/1979, White female, age about 35-45, strangled. Post Mortem interval unknown.The woman had 2 Tattoos over her chest Joe and number 64 beneath that and something starting with Swe….? Not in Namus, no further information.

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    Have the mcminns been officially ruled out?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bit of hope View Post
    The letter from the so called 8 revolutionaries (8 students) who left Jonestown in 1973 for obvious reasons.....

    http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=14076

    1. John Biddulph
    2. Walter Wayne Pietila
    3. Vera Biddulph
    4. Mickey Touchette
    5. Hulena [Lena] M. Flowers
    6. Tom Podgorski
    7. Terri [Cobb] Pietela
    8. Jim Cobb (James Cobb Jr.)

    Maybe Jock and Jane were with them, have to research more, age etc. what became of them....
    If they were a part of the People's Temple someone would have likely recognized them by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bit of hope View Post
    The letter from the so called 8 revolutionaries (8 students) who left Jonestown in 1973 for obvious reasons.....

    http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=14076

    1. John Biddulph
    2. Walter Wayne Pietila
    3. Vera Biddulph
    4. Mickey Touchette
    5. Hulena [Lena] M. Flowers
    6. Tom Podgorski
    7. Terri [Cobb] Pietela
    8. Jim Cobb (James Cobb Jr.)

    Maybe Jock and Jane were with them, have to research more, age etc. what became of them....
    I don't know about the 8. I think they were pretty smart about how they defected. They made it very public. The peoples temple probably wouldn't want to retaliate as it would have drawn a lot of attention.
    If you want to consider this scenario, one question is would the does have been defectors or would they have been sent to harrass defectors? And there were defectors from the peoples temple in that area. Very close to the area Henry was found in possession of the murder weapon. A family defected in the mid 70's and took up residence in Little River SC and later in Loris SC. I will not post their names but I will provide the link where it can be found.
    I will give this name, Helen B Swinney. She did not defect but stayed on with peoples temple all the way through the end of Jonestown at which time she went to live with the defectors mentioned above. Helen Swinney was not the average member but in the inner circle. She mostly stayed out to sea on the Albatross or the Cudjoe ( the peoples temple boats ) conducting business and she had access to temple bank accounts. If you look at the link below and scroll down to the accounts in Trinidad and Tobago it gives a little information on her. The next link provides some more info on her as well as the defectors. I did not look at the link you provided just now ( I'm going to do that next ) but I have read the 8's letter before and I believe it mentions Helen Swinney.
    I also found a good article in the Executive Intelligence Review but Iam not able to upload it. It is vol. 5 , no 48 , Dec 12 1978 "Crack in the cult coverup". It gives some insight into what the temple boats were suspected of. Drug running, arms dealing and recruiting mercenaries to be sent to Angola as well as other places.
    Wasn't there a theory on this thread at one time about some murders in Africa? But I'm not sure where in Africa. Anyway, when I get time I may check into that.

    http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=71968


    http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=37995

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    I think we need to get their pictures circulating in public forums. I'm not saying let's post post mortem pictures all over these public forums but may if we can post the composites and provide a link for the post mortem pictures and get as many people to share as possible. Than someone may recognize them. An old friend a classmate etc. I feel like el dorado Jane doe has received so much attention this way that maybe just maybe if we get pictures out there than someone may recognize them. I know they are most likely not from the U.S. But they may have some old classmates or friends who live here now. Also it's possible they if we get enough shares it's likely to end up in Canada.

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    Yea I'm still reading up on the same on the ole stuff. The peoples temple. It's just too interesting to stop. You should read some of the things they wanted to do to people just like us. They were pretty much just a bunch of terrorists. They wanted to be suicide bombers and such. One in particular got my attention. A man by the name of Peter Wotherspoon was born in Santiago Chile. He wanted to make plans to assassinate high government officials. Specifically Augusto Pinochet in Chile and Ian Smith in South Africa. If you want to take a look it is below just scroll all the way to the bottom to see his statement. The other link gives some more info on Peter Wotherspoon and a photo of him.


    http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=13127


    http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?who_died=...n-peter-andrew

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    Quote Originally Posted by T rex View Post
    Yea I'm still reading up on the same on the ole stuff. The peoples temple. It's just too interesting to stop. You should read some of the things they wanted to do to people just like us. They were pretty much just a bunch of terrorists. They wanted to be suicide bombers and such. One in particular got my attention. A man by the name of Peter Wotherspoon was born in Santiago Chile. He wanted to make plans to assassinate high government officials. Specifically Augusto Pinochet in Chile and Ian Smith in South Africa. If you want to take a look it is below just scroll all the way to the bottom to see his statement. The other link gives some more info on Peter Wotherspoon and a photo of him.


    http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=13127


    http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?who_died=...n-peter-andrew
    This whole thing gives me the creeps and is very interesting indeed especially the Chili, Santiago link. I don't think it will lead us to the identity of Jock and Jane, though.
    I would like to ask some attention for this Jane Doe. her thread on WS https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?322618-IL-Lemont-Twp-WhtFem-1174UFIL-UnkAge-Tattoos-Joe-64-amp-Swe-Jul-79/page2&highlight=1174UFIL Found Lemont Township, Cook County, Illinois on 7/13/1979, White female, age about 35-45, strangled. Post Mortem interval unknown.The woman had 2 Tattoos over her chest Joe and number 64 beneath that and something starting with Swe….? Not in Namus, no further information.

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