Miscellaneous Information

For information which doesn't need an entire thread, but should be kept in case we need it for later reference material:

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Shows what my vote counts for!

Just logging this for now to summarize several hours of sleuthing by multiple WSers over the past day:

Who would Lindsey feel she would know well enough to get a "ride home" as there is no evidence of a struggle and no scent picked up past I believe it was 6th Street.

This points to a snatch from the street or at least Lindsey entering into a car with someone she felt fairly comfortable with.

There is a guy in McCleary who works for the government, has assisted in leading at least one of the vigils, is familiar with surrounding outlying woodlands around McCleary, is well connected in the Church that Lindsey attended, has conicidently lived in areas where other children have gone missing, has been reported as having taken brother Josh fishing and is known to the family.

This guy was born October 13, 1964 in Corvallis, Oregon and now lives in McCleary - makes him 45 years old this year. Was married and is divorced - not sure of current marital status. Has had multiple court records in Washington including a restraining order.

Not on any witch hunt here so am not putting out a name, but this guy needs to be looked at extemely closely. Links to public records are available to backup all the information on this guy.

Does anyone know when WW lived in Lebanon, Oregon?

if i find it kimster i will post it....i think i remember someone posting info on his last res...and the dates of them....

i found where they were posted ...on post number 232....general thread 4....but no dates....i will keep my eye out

Perhaps I can find out if anything ever came of his stay in Lebanon...but if he lived there during his youth, I'd rather let it go.

Divorce records could be helpful. Anyone know an approximate date for that, or his ex-wife's name? Where were they living at the time of the divorce?

Susan

One of the girls mentioned as having gone missing from places WW lived is Lydia Varo, age 13, missing from Mt. Vernon in July of 2001. Her body was found in April 2002.
Interestingly, her brother Daniel was murdered in 2006 at the age of 22. This article quotes Lydia's father referring to her murder as still being unsolved.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/259207_threedead11.html

Susan

TGIRecovered said:

One of the girls mentioned as having gone missing from places WW lived is Lydia Varo, age 13, missing from Mt. Vernon in July of 2001. Her body was found in April 2002.
Interestingly, her brother Daniel was murdered in 2006 at the age of 22. This article quotes Lydia's father referring to her murder as still being unsolved.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/259207_threedead11.html

Susan

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Following your link, I see that yesterday, 7/07/09 :

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/archives/173247.asp?source=mypi

>>>snip

The Snohomish County Sheriff's Office says it has solved a 6-year-old rape case and that its officers have arrested and jailed a 40-year-old Lynnwood man in the attack.

The break in the case came from DNA evidence that tied the man to the sexual assault of a 13-year-old girl.

Deputies arrested the man without incident Tuesday as he was driving from his apartment in the 16800 block of Sixth Avenue West, which is near where the attack occurred on Dec. 22, 2002....

(article continues)

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Again, this seems awfully close to McCleary: 98.2 miles, 1 hour, 48 minutes to drive.
Posted here for reference, just in case. Hope that's ok?

coastal said:

Following your link, I see that yesterday, 7/07/09 :

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/archives/173247.asp?source=mypi

>>>snip

The Snohomish County Sheriff's Office says it has solved a 6-year-old rape case and that its officers have arrested and jailed a 40-year-old Lynnwood man in the attack.

The break in the case came from DNA evidence that tied the man to the sexual assault of a 13-year-old girl.

Deputies arrested the man without incident Tuesday as he was driving from his apartment in the 16800 block of Sixth Avenue West, which is near where the attack occurred on Dec. 22, 2002....

(article continues)

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Again, this seems awfully close to McCleary: 98.2 miles, 1 hour, 48 minutes to drive.
Posted here for reference, just in case. Hope that's ok?

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Interesting coincidence coastal, but it is not the same case. The girl in this case was raped, but not kidnapped or killed. This crime happened in the girl's apartment.

Lydia Varo was kidnapped while walking alone, near her aunt's home in July 2001. Her remains were found in a remote ravine the folowing year.

Susan

Link to DRL Arrested:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/m...rent=004-3.jpg

MK's Myspace Page (unable to post) minor
HB'S R.I.P. Myspace Page (unable to post - friend of MK) minor
RPHMF Myspace Page (man that tried to kiss HB'S and freaked her out)(friend of HB'S) -
http://www.myspace.com/Zidane326
RICK1964 Myspace Page (friend of RPHMF. looks alot like DRL, has a boy that's been missing since 1995 among his Myspace photos)
http://www.myspace.com/myplace1964

Comparison photo - DRL to RICK1964
http://s598.photobucket.com/albums/t...Comparison.jpg

also, ironically very similar in appearance to another person being talked about....WW

Haddie McFaddies Mom said:

Link to DRL Arrested:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/m...rent=004-3.jpg

MK's Myspace Page (unable to post) minor
HB'S R.I.P. Myspace Page (unable to post - friend of MK) minor
RPHMF Myspace Page (man that tried to kiss HB'S and freaked her out)(friend of HB'S) -
http://www.myspace.com/Zidane326
RICK1964 Myspace Page (friend of RPHMF. looks alot like DRL, has a boy that's been missing since 1995 among his Myspace photos)
http://www.myspace.com/myplace1964

Comparison photo - DRL to RICK1964
http://s598.photobucket.com/albums/t...Comparison.jpg

also, ironically very similar in appearance to another person being talked about....WW

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the picture of the boy that has been missing since 1995 is that Rick1964s nephew.

And DRL is still in jail so there is no way he could have logged into Myspace on 07/04. So I don't think it's the same person.

JenniferO said:

the picture of the boy that has been missing since 1995 is that Rick1964s nephew.

And DRL is still in jail so there is no way he could have logged into Myspace on 07/04. So I don't think it's the same person.

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Moved this from main thread :

I don't know if this is the right thread, but in regards to DL and the Myspace Rick being one and the same, I'm almost positive they are not. DL was booked into Grays Harbor County Jail on July 1st with no bail. He is still in custody. He is not allowed to have a cell phone, so he couldn't have updated the Rick myspace page. I've also seen other pics of DL, including the one taken on 7/5/09 as part of his booking, and he isn't the same man as Rick from myspace. I can see the resemblance, but like I said, I'm 98% positive they are not the same.
Not trying to discourage anyone, just giving my two cents worth.
Here is the jail booking info: http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/sheriff/JailRegisters/RegisterDetail.asp?SrchBookNo=172886
If you click on the ID link in the upper left, you will see all the rest of his bookings for different charges, which might be interesting.

Gailrene said:

Moved this from main thread :

I don't know if this is the right thread, but in regards to DL and the Myspace Rick being one and the same, I'm almost positive they are not. DL was booked into Grays Harbor County Jail on July 1st with no bail. He is still in custody. He is not allowed to have a cell phone, so he couldn't have updated the Rick myspace page. I've also seen other pics of DL, including the one taken on 7/5/09 as part of his booking, and he isn't the same man as Rick from myspace. I can see the resemblance, but like I said, I'm 98% positive they are not the same.
Not trying to discourage anyone, just giving my two cents worth.
Here is the jail booking info: http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/sheriff/JailRegisters/RegisterDetail.asp?SrchBookNo=172886
If you click on the ID link in the upper left, you will see all the rest of his bookings for different charges, which might be interesting.

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I agree with you.. plus this Rick guy lives in California. I found his girlfriend/wife what ever she is and her (theirs?) kids.

And I talked to someone in the corrections department.. DRL is still in jail and will be for awhile. He's been questioned about Lindsey (he volunteered) and as of right now is clear of any thing connected.

JVK went to McCleary and took a ton of pictures (thanks) and spoke with some folks in the town. One of the persons whom JVK spoke with - someone who worked at the Hartman's Jewelry store indicated that "Lindsey was up to no good" or something along that line. The Jewelry store is owned by Tim Hartman and information has not come easy when tracking down this guy but here are a couple of tidbits re Tim who owns the store. Haven't been able to find who the two employees are as yet.

Birthdate Info: http://usefulwork.com/cgi-bin/wavoterdb.cgi?svid=WA001082569

Information on the store itself: http://www.manta.com/company/mm4zfbx

Business Categories
Jewelry in Mccleary, WA
Whol Jewelry/Precious Stones

Tim Hartman Jewelry Repair Business Information: Tim Hartman Jewelry Repair is a private company categorized under Jewelry and located in Mccleary, WA. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of $125,000 and employs a staff of approximately 2.

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Haddie McFaddies Mom said:

Link to DRL Arrested:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/m...rent=004-3.jpg

MK's Myspace Page (unable to post) minor
HB'S R.I.P. Myspace Page (unable to post - friend of MK) minor
RPHMF Myspace Page (man that tried to kiss HB'S and freaked her out)(friend of HB'S) -
http://www.myspace.com/Zidane326
RICK1964 Myspace Page (friend of RPHMF. looks alot like DRL, has a boy that's been missing since 1995 among his Myspace photos)
http://www.myspace.com/myplace1964

Comparison photo - DRL to RICK1964
http://s598.photobucket.com/albums/t...Comparison.jpg

also, ironically very similar in appearance to another person being talked about....WW

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in regards to the minor myspace(R.I.P.) mentioned above, the only thing that jumped out at me was in the mood updates on may 1st or 2nd she said that she was really scared and thought something bad was going to happen....

nervous_nellie said:

in regards to the minor myspace mentioned above, the only thing that jumped out at me was in the mood updates on may 1st or 2nd she said that she was really scared and thought something bad was going to happen....

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Nevermind.. I found it.

Since we are talking about the logging roads:

A 27-year-old McCleary man suffered critical injuries when he crashed his vehicle, allegedly driving under the influence on a logging road near McCleary on Tuesday afternoon, according to The Daily World of Aberdeen

http://www.thenewstribune.com/partners/story/806257.html

Probably totally unrelated. But have to wonder if this has anything to do with the case since sometimes perps. will try to kill themselves or drink to get themselves drunk to work up to commiting a crime or to try and blot out the memory of that crime.

Gailrene said:

Moved this from main thread :

I don't know if this is the right thread, but in regards to DL and the Myspace Rick being one and the same, I'm almost positive they are not. DL was booked into Grays Harbor County Jail on July 1st with no bail. He is still in custody. He is not allowed to have a cell phone, so he couldn't have updated the Rick myspace page. I've also seen other pics of DL, including the one taken on 7/5/09 as part of his booking, and he isn't the same man as Rick from myspace. I can see the resemblance, but like I said, I'm 98% positive they are not the same.
Not trying to discourage anyone, just giving my two cents worth.
Here is the jail booking info: http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/sheriff/JailRegisters/RegisterDetail.asp?SrchBookNo=172886
If you click on the ID link in the upper left, you will see all the rest of his bookings for different charges, which might be interesting.

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It apears they are keeping an eye on this guy at least, he was rearrested on 7/22/09 after just being released on the 7/16/09 but he was let out again 8/11/09

elepher50 said:

Just logging this for now to summarize several hours of sleuthing by multiple WSers over the past day:

Who would Lindsey feel she would know well enough to get a "ride home" as there is no evidence of a struggle and no scent picked up past I believe it was 6th Street.

This points to a snatch from the street or at least Lindsey entering into a car with someone she felt fairly comfortable with.

There is a guy in McCleary who works for the government, has assisted in leading at least one of the vigils, is familiar with surrounding outlying woodlands around McCleary, is well connected in the Church that Lindsey attended, has conicidently lived in areas where other children have gone missing, has been reported as having taken brother Josh fishing and is known to the family.

This guy was born October 13, 1964 in Corvallis, Oregon and now lives in McCleary - makes him 45 years old this year. Was married and is divorced - not sure of current marital status. Has had multiple court records in Washington including a restraining order.

Not on any witch hunt here so am not putting out a name, but this guy needs to be looked at extemely closely. Links to public records are available to backup all the information on this guy.

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Originally Posted by kageykaren
Lindsey's case has brought forward so many subjects pertaining to all possibilities of abuse, and exploitation leading to her disappearence. While looking into some possible players I ran across post by someone who may live in the area. I don't think I'm at liberty to post the name of this female as she may be a member. I only found a snippet in my chicken scratch notes. Maybe we glossed over this because it seemed to be too obvious. My notes show someone posted on page 16 post 76 (I don't remember what forum I saw this on & didn't note it.) that Nancy Moyer worked for the Dept. of Ecology for Fish & Wildlife at the same time of WW and I belive this person said they would have known each other if my memory serves me right. If anyone has more info on the two crossing paths that would be helpful.



State employees list with NM....
http://lbloom.net/de09.html

State employees list with WW....
http://lbloom.net/dfw09.html

Nancy Moyer Fund....
http://sos.wa.gov/print.aspx?url=htt...arity_id=27336

Article from the Olympian..
http://www.theolympian.com/672/story/787050.html

From olyblog.net.........
Missing Tenino Woman
We are writing to ask for your help in finding a Missing Tenino Woman, Nancy Moyer, Age 36. Nancy disappeared Sunday March 8, 2009 from her Tenino Home. Nancy is the mother of two daughters, 9 and 11 years of age. She was last seen Friday, March 6, 2009 after dropping off a co-worker on her way home for the weekend. She is an employee of the WA State Dept of Ecology, working as a fiscal analyst.
We are all very concerned and saddened by this situation, and hope for her quick return.

State of Washington: Ecology Dept
www.ecy.wa.gov
300 Desmond Drive Southeast
Lacey, WA 98503-1274

Almost next door to each other........This may be US Govt. , not WA State Fish and Wildlife though...
WASHINGTON FISH AND WILDLIFE OFFICE
Type of Station: ECOLOGICAL SERVICES FIELD OFFICE
Region: Pacific Region (1)
State: WASHINGTON
Contact Information:
Telephone: 360 753-9440
FAX: 360 753-9405
Mailing Address:
510 DESMOND DRIVE SE, SUITE 102
LACEY, WASHINGTON 98503-1263


Is this WW's house ?.......
Parcel 060500900500
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Tool Situs Address 00400S3RD ST
Legal Description PLT OF MCCLEARY LOT 5 BLK 9 (LOT 1 OF SHORT PLAT VOL 5 PG 65)
Owner COLLIER JON D & ELLINGTON NINA A File Updated 2/5/2010 16:05
Address PO BOX 585 Location T 18 R 05 Sec 13
MANSON, WA 98831


GRAYS HARBOR
Region 6
Forest Practices
Wayne Watne
Wayne.Watne@dfw.wa.gov
WDFW
48 Devonshire RD
Montesano, WA 98563


Religious site for WW......
http://www.harvestvisionministries.org/team.html

From another forum...has WW been ruled out?

For Wayne Watne another thing that struck me as odd was at the vigil Josh came with a family friend (Melissa McCann) who looks nothing like his mother and WW had no clue that it was not Josh’s mom. How do you hang out with a kid like he does and not know his mother by sight? Weird to me. Also he showed up when me and my kids were selling cupcakes hugged us all – my daughter first and gave her $5 and then me his number if I ever needed to talk. Maybe he is just a genuinely nice guy but I had a horrific child hood and guys like that just give me an icky feeling.