Do you not think there is a difference between gullible, and criminal? People believe in lots of things that are nuts. But that's usually the extent. They don't usually use those things to harm others.
Really. And yet it happens.
Do you not think there is a difference between gullible, and criminal? People believe in lots of things that are nuts. But that's usually the extent. They don't usually use those things to harm others.
for what it's worth, I do think there has to be something major lacking in a person's life to join a cult. I am fascinated by cults and also do a lot of research on them. In all the people willing to be interviews about a cult they were in...I didn't really see one that didn't have really big gaps in their life. (I am talking about adults that join, not people indoctrinated from a young age.)
Well, I'm sorry, your research is imperfect.
The people I know who've been indoctrinated did not have faulty lives. Many people who join cults are just like anyone else - good job, nice family. No more "lacking" than the next person. The whole point of cult indoctrination is to break down the normal structure of how a person usually thinks and replace it with something else. This really is not hard to do, and it does NOT require the victim to have something "lacking".
I even know one person who was born to a cult. Interestingly, she said she *never* believed the garbage they fed the adults.
rsbmITA that this is not at all a scenario involving gullibility of two pre-teens believing in the fictional character, SlenderMan, and their being gullible enough to fall for his truly existing thus leading to their attempting to murder "a friend" to please him.
I meant something internally lacking. It has nothing to with tangible things or family. The cult fulfilled some hole (for lack of better terms) inside of them. A hole that for whatever reason normal religions, relationships, etc. could not.
There's plenty of "normal' (ie, socially acceptable) religions which use exactly the same techniques.
I completely disagree with the idea that people in cults all have some sort of "hole" in their.. what. Minds. Hearts, idk.
The insidious nature of cults is that they can take a perfectly normal but say, slightly curious, person and *break them down*.
But I'm not going off on this tangential argument. Just, I think it's possible a couple of 12 yr olds could be sucked in by dedicated, sociopathic trolls on the net. Whose existence we have pictorial proof of, up there ^
feels like we are getting off on a tangent here. We do not have any reason to believe there is a cult angle to this case.
MOO
feels like we are getting off on a tangent here. We do not have any reason to believe there is a cult angle to this case.
MOO
However, that is not an excuse whatsoever for what they did to this poor victim.
Absolutely.
I think these girls need to be locked up for quite some time, regardless of what, if anything, prompted them to stab their friend 19 times.
Wanting to understand, speculating on the "how" does NOT equate to "looking for excuses". I don't know how that even becomes an issue of contention here on WS where I can't imagine ANYone thinking they should get off lightly. It's a bit offensive, really.
I think before I speculate further on someone communicating with the girls I may just sit back for a bit.
I see a lot of crazy behavior and attention centered on the slenderman now. Which is not surprising because trolls do love a good meal. But because some ^$$hats are out there stirring up stuff and pretending to be or represent this fictional construct NOW after all the press, does not quite get me to where I need to be to believe that this was going on before the girls and that they were exposed to something like it and it factors into their decision to try to kill their "friend".
jmo
I find it strange that all three incidents involved at least one female perp. Females commit a very small percentage of homicides, and in those rare cases the victims are usually intimate partners. In the cases of these three Slender Man related attacks, the victims were a girl, two police officers, and the perp's mother. Highly unusual. IMO
I have to wonder if we just haven't seen the full effect of social media on our youngest generation. There has to be something to it that we don't fully understand. Maybe they are becoming desensitized to the humanness of things and human interaction because they are more often than not interacting and "playing" with a freakin' profile picture, twitter account, avatar, or internet meme. There is a certain amount of reliance on it as well.
I'm not blaming the internet, I'm just really wondering what effect all of this may have on developing minds and social skills. Their generation will be the first to TRULY grow up weened on social media and the internet the way we know it today. We have gone so beyond chat rooms and the internet being a source of information.
For the generations before them, it is more than ever, the way we socialize and we weren't weened on it, we watched it evolve.
We went from chat rooms, to Myspace, to Facebook, to Twitter, now Instagram, Tumblr, even the creepiest dating app EVER, Tinder that reduces people to a profile picture that you swipe through like a deck of cards. No info about them, just the image. I mean, what is less personal and kind of debasing than that?
What is real? Who is real? What is fantasy? Are we just getting too far away from real human interaction and therefore empathy? I'm not saying I know, I'm just pondering.
I mean, Slenderman has a "twitter account".
Our childhood bogeymen lived in our imaginations, we couldn't interact with them or read their thoughts in real time on the internet. In fact, all of our interactions with others, positive or negative, were face to face. There is something to be said for that.
Just some thoughts.
I think before I speculate further on someone communicating with the girls I may just sit back for a bit.
I see a lot of crazy behavior and attention centered on the slenderman now. Which is not surprising because trolls do love a good meal. But because some ^$$hats are out there stirring up stuff and pretending to be or represent this fictional construct NOW after all the press, does not quite get me to where I need to be to believe that this was going on before the girls and that they were exposed to something like it and it factors into their decision to try to kill their "friend".
jmo
I tend to agree with Ausgirl.I do think they were in contact with someone pretending to be Slenderman since they had so much specific information.Where he supposedly lived,that they had to kill in order to become proxys.All these details.