UID Victim: The Asian Male, UP9355, John Doe #8, poss. died 1996-2001, found Gilgo Beach Apr 2011

CarlK90245 said:

This guy's facial features align perfectly to the facial reconstruction:

Mo Zhang
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/z/zhang_mo.html

I have sized the above images so that they are comparable. If you click your mouse on Mo's photo and drag it to the right over the reconstruction, Mo's photo becomes transparent, and you can test the similarity of their facial shapes and spacing of their facial features.

ETA: I just realized that this trick only works if you are using the Mozilla Firefox browser.

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Hi CarlK...I don't even need to superimpose one image over the other...I think you have a match. Glad to hear that you have called it in...excellent job!

Warm regards

truthspider said:

I haven't ventured into using any of the missing person's databases, can someone give me some direction on where to find the different missing person's sites to look over?

I posted this in the other thread and realized it might be better in this thread.


"Take the age/race/etc profile for the jane doe from 1995 and cross reference it with any (Missing) females in the tri-state area who had a fasciotomy (during the appropriate time frame). Prioritize by hospitals/areas of "interest" and expand outside of the tri-state area as needed. she is the first victim we know of and therefore more likely to not be a randomly selected victim, they didn't meet via a chance encounter. "

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https://www.findthemissing.org/searches/show/show?direction=asc&order=cases.Race&page=1

Any word on Mo Zhang?

I just stumbled across this tonight and thought it matched fairly well.

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/3851/15

Glad to see someone's already submitted the tip.

He barely fits the window.

"On September 20, 2011, police revealed new details about these remains. Police released a composite sketch of the Asian male, who was wearing women's clothes at the time of his death due to blunt force trauma, and was likely working as a prostitute.[17] He was between 17 and 23 years of age, 5' 6" in height, and missing four teeth; he had been dead for between five to 10 years."

He was last scene: August 09, 2006 - 09:28 and was 17 y.o.
His height fits almost perfectly at 65" - 5'-5"
I wish they had his dental records available.

Thats just under five years.

I did a google search for yorktown, va + serial killer and came up with this page: http://www.projectjason.org/forums/index.php?topic=2622.0

The victims don't really fit and the timeline is a stretch at 30 years. Which could put the SK into his late 60's now.
Maybe he group up in the Yorktown area, moved to NYC and still visits virginia.

On a related note, I was looking into unidentified victims and was a bit alarmed to find out this out:

"It has been estimated that there are approximately 40,000 unidentified human remains in the offices of the Nation's medical examiners and coroners or were buried or cremated before being identified (see Missing Persons and Unidentified Remains: The Nation's Silent Mass Disaster). In June 2007, OJP's Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), confirmed that, in a typical year, medical examiners and coroners handle approximately 4,400 unidentified human decedent cases, 1,000 of which remain unidentified after one year. (See the Medical Examiners and Coroners' Offices, 2004 for the full report."

http://www.namus.gov/about.htm


I read somewhere else that there is major backlog with entering the data into databases and that many aren't coordinated togethor.
Also, that the departments don't have the time or resources. - The last part just makes me think of all the backlog created by stupid politics and
time wasted dealing with petty offenses like MJ use.

Any word on Mo Zhang?

I just stumbled across this tonight and thought it matched fairly well.

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/3851/15

Glad to see someone's already submitted the tip.

He barely fits the window.

"On September 20, 2011, police revealed new details about these remains. Police released a composite sketch of the Asian male, who was wearing women's clothes at the time of his death due to blunt force trauma, and was likely working as a prostitute.[17] He was between 17 and 23 years of age, 5' 6" in height, and missing four teeth; he had been dead for between five to 10 years."

He was last scene: August 09, 2006 - 09:28 and was 17 y.o.
His height fits almost perfectly at 65" - 5'-5"
I wish they had his dental records available.

Thats just under five years.

I did a google search for yorktown, va + serial killer and came up with this page: http://www.projectjason.org/forums/index.php?topic=2622.0

The victims don't really fit and the timeline is a stretch at 30 years. Which could put the SK into his late 60's now.
Maybe he group up in the Yorktown area, moved to NYC and still visits virginia.

On a related note, I was looking into unidentified victims and was a bit alarmed to find out this out:

"It has been estimated that there are approximately 40,000 unidentified human remains in the offices of the Nation's medical examiners and coroners or were buried or cremated before being identified (see Missing Persons and Unidentified Remains: The Nation's Silent Mass Disaster). In June 2007, OJP's Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), confirmed that, in a typical year, medical examiners and coroners handle approximately 4,400 unidentified human decedent cases, 1,000 of which remain unidentified after one year. (See the Medical Examiners and Coroners' Offices, 2004 for the full report."

http://www.namus.gov/about.htm


I read somewhere else that there is major backlog with entering the data into databases and that many aren't coordinated togethor.
Also, that the departments don't have the time or resources. - The last part just makes me think of all the backlog created by stupid politics and
time wasted dealing with petty offenses like MJ use.

matou said:

This male was found in women's clothes, leading LE to suspect that he was working as a cross-dressing prostitute. This could be the connection between this man and the other women. Were there any missing Asian lady-boy prostitutes from NY? I don't think the killer would have been "surprised" by this man being a man. I think he targeted this person and victimized him as he did the others. JMO

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/wpix-details-released-gilgo-beach-investigation,0,1707853.story

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I know I am coming into this thread very late...I TOTALLY believe this poor soul was a transvestite prostitute. Based on the fact that he was found where a number of sex workers were found, and that he is wearing ladies clothing, I think it is a very good chance that what he was.

How very sad. I feel so sad for him. It is possible that he was shunned by his family for his choices and as a result has never been reported missing.

I wish prostitution was not illegal in the US. I really do

Does anybody know if John Doe's body was found with hair present?

I thought I would put these links in here anyway. It was stated in one of the MSM reports that John Doe was missing 4 of his teeth. I am therefore assuming the rest of his teeth were present. So, I wonder if the science talked about in the link below could help identify where John Doe grew up?

ArchNews
Digging up Archaeology News
Identifying Queen Eadgyth
By Stephen 26/11/2010
http://www.archnews.co.uk/featured/3...n-eadgyth.html

"Dr Alistair Pike in the Department of Archaeology and Anthropology tells how tiny samples of tooth enamel proved the identity of a Saxon queen."

"Teeth provide remarkable evidence about the early years of an individual’s life. The region where a person grew up can be traced in the tooth enamel laid down in their first 14 years because strontium and oxygen isotope ratios in the teeth reflect the food a person ate and the water they drank."


*If* John Doe still had hair present when his body was found, I wonder if the science talked about below could also help identify where he might have traveled?

Yahoo! Voices
New Crime Solving Tool Uses Hair to Map Victim's
Travel History
Isotopes in Hair and Teeth Are Permanent Records of Geography
Aly Adair
Feb. 27, 2008
http://voices.yahoo.com/new-crime-solving-tool-uses-hair-map-victims-travel-1033729.html

"James R. Ehleringer, Gabriel J. Bowen, Lesley A. Chesson, Adam G. West, David W. Podlesak, and Thure E. Cerling have published their findings in the February 25, 2008 edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS). Stable isotopes are absorbed permanently into hair and teeth from water we drink, food we eat, and air we breathe. Scientists can analyze those isotopes and compare them with isotope maps of the continental states to determine where the person has traveled. Depending on the length of the hair, travel locations can be identified for years past."

Bumping for this thread.

Does anyone have any new info about this gentlemen?

CarlK90245 said:

I already did.

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Hey Carl!!! Did you ever hear anything about about the possible match between the Long Island UID and Mo Zhang?

Reannan said:

Hey Carl!!! Did you ever hear anything about about the possible match between the Long Island UID and Mo Zhang?

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No, and I probably won't unless it turns out to be a positive match. I called a tip-line on that one, so if I called back for follow-up, the operator on the line probably wouldn't know one way or the other. Usually with the tip-lines, they just pass the info on to the detectives, and don't keep records of whether the tips panned out.

CarlK90245 said:

No, and I probably won't unless it turns out to be a positive match. I called a tip-line on that one, so if I called back for follow-up, the operator on the line probably wouldn't know one way or the other. Usually with the tip-lines, they just pass the info on to the detectives, and don't keep records of whether the tips panned out.

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Well, I hope they have the good sense to have actually followed up on your tip Carl!!! Guess we will just wait and see..... frustrating! Great work, by the way - as usual. You never cease to amaze me.

Hi All! Haven't posted in a while, but I recently came across a missing person that struck my interest! And forgive me if this info was posted already.

MESCALITO JOSELITO ECHAVEZ - Date Missing: October 16, 2003
Missing From: New York City, NY

Height: 5'7"
Weight: 145 lbs
Hair Color: Black
Eye Color: Black
Gender: Male
Race: Filipino

But when I realized that the age he went missing is listed as 31, I sort of dismissed it as being a possible match...UNTIL, I read that the unidentified victim may have had a musculoskeletal disorder.

The victim was a male between 17 and 23 years old and is estimated to have been 5-feet 6-inches in height. The database report states the remains had been in the location for five years and that the victim may have had a musculoskeletal disorder that affected his gait. Suffolk Police have stated women’s clothing was found on the body. The report just notes clothing.

Suffolk Police also have stated the victim had poor dental hygiene and was missing his bottom molars though the online database report does not indicate that information.

http://babylonvillage.patch.com/gro...abase-reveals-details-of-unidentified-remains


Could this mean the estimated age of the unidentified victim is off? Could he have possibly been older than 17-23?

Hi All! Haven't posted in a while, but I recently came across a missing person that struck my interest! And forgive me if this info was posted already.

MESCALITO JOSELITO ECHAVEZ - Date Missing: October 16, 2003
Missing From: New York City, NY

Height: 5'7"
Weight: 145 lbs
Hair Color: Black
Eye Color: Black
Gender: Male
Race: Filipino

But when I realized that the age he went missing is listed as 31, I sort of dismissed it as being a possible match...UNTIL, I read that the unidentified victim may have had a musculoskeletal disorder.

The victim was a male between 17 and 23 years old and is estimated to have been 5-feet 6-inches in height. The database report states the remains had been in the location for five years and that the victim may have had a musculoskeletal disorder that affected his gait. Suffolk Police have stated women’s clothing was found on the body. The report just notes clothing.

Suffolk Police also have stated the victim had poor dental hygiene and was missing his bottom molars though the online database report does not indicate that information.

http://babylonvillage.patch.com/gro...abase-reveals-details-of-unidentified-remains


Could this mean the estimated age of the unidentified victim is off? Could he have possibly been older than 17-23?

I was wondering if he was a Cross-Dresser?

I thought maybe he was meeting someone dressed as a female maybe?
Not sure why though , but it does cross my mind he may have met with foul play like that?:twocents:

Also, the two related woman and female child with jewelry.
Since they had similar jewelry, seems to me they were obviously dressed up to maybe go to dinner with someone?
Perhaps a suitor for the adult female?
So they went with him/them?
And ended up dead thinking they would be going to dinner and were in this situation from trusting him/them?
I think more than one killer is involved.:twocents:

I believe he was found wearing female clothing ... now that does not necessarily mean he was a cross dresser - it could have been done as a insult or something.

WI1987 said:

I believe he was found wearing female clothing ... now that does not necessarily mean he was a cross dresser - it could have been done as a insult or something.

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It seems to me that if a male's body was dressed in female clothes to add insult to injury, it would be left on a park bench or somewhere else where it would be found and seen by those who'd get the insult, not dumped in such a remote spot that it was only discovered by accident.

I personally think the killer is also into transsexuals.

My guess is that the Asian male victim was a cross dressing prostitute. Don't think he's a LISK victim, though.

Daniel Ted Yuen is runaway from a group home in California that he was put into but may of tried to travel back to New Jersey, where he was originally from. There was also a child rapist and murderer working at Cedu where Daniel was schooling at. If he was a victim he could be scared physiologically and somehow got to where he becamea victim of this serial killer by escorting himself or something. I really don't know what to think exactly. This is a 'unique' UID case. JMO

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/y/yuen_daniel.html

http://liamscheff.com/surviving-cedu/convicted-child-rapist-and-murderer-linked-to-cedu-school/

Not sure if anyone has mentioned him, but Brian Lee went missing from Queens in 2003

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/images/missing persons/queens/qn-brian-lee.jpg

Not sure on the height thing. Perhaps this is entered incorrectly? Or not...either way, he seems to look like a possible match as well.