For Those Who Do Think Avery was Framed & Evidence Planted - Discuss

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So from what I understand, they filed a wrongful death lawsuit against SA, then 3 days later SA transferred his remaining $240,000 to his defense team. They claimed it was fraudulent because of the timing and it is illegal to transfer funds after a lawsuit has been filed so they wanted control, but the judge ruled against it. So I'd say people making the leap/connection and saying "the Halbachs didn't want him to use the funds for his defense" are accurate as they were seeking to take the money used as a retainer away.

Honestly I'm more shocked at the fact that they filed a civil lawsuit before the trial had started and before they knew the defenses arguments or the totality of the evidence.
How would he be liable for her death if it hasn't even been to court yet?

When he got the settlement, he was no longer eligible for a court appointed lawyer, so he retained Stang and then later Buting. If they had been successful in freezing that money... how would he have paid for a lawyer? or would he have been able to get a court appointed lawyer again?
 
Jaiddie - Interesting info but I'm not sure if this is allowed. Generally websites like this are off limits as it's hearsay and I can't find anything more about this other than this post. Can't find the newspaper article nor can I find anywhere that indicates the Halbach's attempted to freeze the funds.

The only thing I have found is the wrongful death lawsuit papers filed on Feb 15th, 2006.
http://overthrow.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Complaint-Halbach-v.-Avery.pdf

And papers filed by the Halbach family in regards to changing the venue, which they did not want.
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...-Re-Defendants-Motion-for-Change-of-Venue.pdf

Thank you. I am a relative newbie when it comes to forums such as this. I know to source my info, but after initially trying to find the article it had stated I only came up with current articles from the news site, so wasn't sure how to go about it other than google lol. :p
 
When he got the settlement, he was no longer eligible for a court appointed lawyer, so he retained Stang and then later Buting. If they had been successful in freezing that money... how would he have paid for a lawyer? or would he have been able to get a court appointed lawyer again?


I have no idea, missy. I have never heard of anything like this (again, seems to be the norm with these cases :confused:) where someone files a civil suit before (let alone a YEAR before) the criminal case even starts! Don't see how a judge can even accept a motion such as this when he had not yet been found guilty in a court of law yet. How does that work???
 
I've never heard of a civil suit being filed before the criminal case is done. A civil suit doesn't depend on the outcome of the criminal case (look at O.J.). I find it all uhmm odd, the timing. I have to wonder if Kratz knew that SA had Stang/Buting lined up and that is why SA settled so quick? Did Kratz let the family know.... they filed the very next day to freeze the funds. IMO Kratz stepped up his game when Stang/Buting got involved. It was also within a week or so that they started re-interviewing all the family members..... and went after BD 2 weeks later. And then.... the news conference on March 2nd.

Think of all the high profile cases we've seen.... where the defendant had the money to pay for the best legal counsel ... can you imagine if they had their assets frozen before their criminal trials even started?
 
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This is information that I had already known, as I'm sure many others are aware of as well, however, I hadn't seen it laid out quite this well before. Some of it is, of course, speculation, but there are a lot of facts laid out as well.
 
Someone posted that thought LE did it. Why? What motive??

I think ST did it and knew it would be easy to frame SA due to his relationship with the police at that time.


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Someone posted that thought LE did it. Why? What motive??

I think ST did it and knew it would be easy to frame SA due to his relationship with the police at that time.


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Pride, revenge and big green dollars.
 
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...Trial-Transcript-Day-2-2007Feb13.pdf#page=246

Does anyone know what is up with this?

"Because until today, I was not aware, have not actually received any reports from any Manitowoc or Calumet County sheriffs about this search that Ms Sturm was involved in down by the Mishicot river area, where a cell phone was found, photographs apparently were taken, the phone was seized. There's no reports of that activity anywhere in any of the discovery we have received."

So God also led her to a cell phone too? Wonder if Colborn was in charge of that report? LOL :giggle: On a serious note, the possibilities just seem to be getting greater the more I look at this case. I do not envy Zellner with the amount of horse crap she is having to wade through in order to get to the bottom of this whole mess. :(
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So Ms. Sturm also found a phone? I wonder if this ever ended up being TH's phone. If so, that's a crazy coincidence. Even if she's a PI it's still odd.

I have been having a few issues with the prosecution lately and this only adds to it. I posted this in the DNA thread but I thought it could be brought over here.

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...o-Re-Motions-in-Limine-and-Correspondence.pdf

It's the prosecution's response to the defense's request for the inmate statements to be dismissed and the prosecution's request to dismiss evidence of his wrongful conviction.

There is a paragraph in there where the prosecution says they have never had SA's blood in their possession. Therefore they couldn't have planted it because they did not have it, or ever did.

This was submitted on Dec 5th, 2006 from what I can see. So why are they claiming they never had SA's blood? Not only was it in their possession, it appeared to have been tampered with. It leads me to not believe much of what the prosecution has said.

Although MH's behaviour is a bit weird and some behaviour has been weird, I just can't say anything bad about them because of what happened. I don't know if their lawyer or Kratz put them up to the civil lawsuit and I don't know how I'd react in the same situation. I understand in some cases (OJ) that the criminal lawsuit was lost but the civil suit was won because of the burden of proof required in both those courts are very different. But as others have said I do think it's strange to file a civil lawsuit before the trial has even started and even before BD gave his "confession" (which they later added him onto)

Honestly, I don't think LE did the murder. I do however believe they participated in planting evidence and getting coerced confessions because of "pride, revenge and big green dollars". SA was making them look a bit foolish, they didn't want to be made fools of again. They honed in on him and wanted to make sure they had enough to convict so there wouldn't be a repeat of what happened before.
 
Ok.... so looking on reddit (they come up with some good stuff over there lol) .... and now I'm just wondering if they just made this stuff as they went along....
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMur..._i_seeing_something_in_the_cartridge_casings/
read the first post from KingLuxor about item EI

they are discussing these exhibit photo's: http://imgur.com/a/K5Kfi

item EI is not the same item in these 2 photo's:
newhouse-casing-comparison-2-150x150.jpgnewhouse-casing-comparison-4-150x150.jpg

look at the indent compared to the letter C on the casing... they aren't even in the same spots.

Add to this.... that I noticed this on a document I was reading last night (new docs dumped last night)
agreement to gun.PNG

this is from page 37 of the following motion:
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...rief-in-Support-of-Post-Conviction-Motion.pdf
 
Ok.... so looking on reddit (they come up with some good stuff over there lol) .... and now I'm just wondering if they just made this stuff as they went along....
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMur..._i_seeing_something_in_the_cartridge_casings/
read the first post from KingLuxor about item EI

they are discussing these exhibit photo's: http://imgur.com/a/K5Kfi

item EI is not the same item in these 2 photo's:
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look at the indent compared to the letter C on the casing... they aren't even in the same spots.

Add to this.... that I noticed this on a document I was reading last night (new docs dumped last night)
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this is from page 37 of the following motion:
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...rief-in-Support-of-Post-Conviction-Motion.pdf

One of the photos shows two different cartridge cases with the firing pin indentations shown as a comparison. I'm not an expert but they look like they match to me.

Do we have a more legitimate source for these photos? I don't think that Reddit is a reliable source. I have no idea what the poster at Reditt may have done to these photos.
 
One of the photos shows two different cartridge cases with the firing pin indentations shown as a comparison. I'm not an expert but they look like they match to me.

Do we have a more legitimate source for these photos? I don't think that Reddit is a reliable source. I have no idea what the poster at Reditt may have done to these photos.


http://www.stevenaverycase.org/photos/

I find it interesting that the test shots were done in Feb. Before the fragment shows up in the garage.

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...ial-Exhibit-418-Newhouse-Report-2006Feb21.pdf
 
One of the photos shows two different cartridge cases with the firing pin indentations shown as a comparison. I'm not an expert but they look like they match to me.

Do we have a more legitimate source for these photos? I don't think that Reddit is a reliable source. I have no idea what the poster at Reditt may have done to these photos.

the photo's I uploaded from the exhibits..... I do always look before I post and I always upload from the site that has paid for and received them from the proper courts, just an fyi. And also as an fyi..... whenever I pull something over from reddit.... I give credit to reddit/the poster over there. They have posted many good points in regards to photo's, etc.

I am not looking at the comparison of EI/DD.... I'm looking at the photo's of EI (ignoring DD).... the first one and the one used in the comparison. The indents are not in the same spot. All you have to do is look at the C, the indent is just not in the same spot.

oh and.... if you are ever looking for photo's.... they are posted here:
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/photos/


oh and I guess I should clarify further.... I took the snipet from the document I posted in my last post too..... you will have to take my word for it, or click on the document and check it yourself.
 
the photo's I uploaded from the exhibits..... I do always look before I post and I always upload from the site that has paid for and received them from the proper courts, just an fyi. And also as an fyi..... whenever I pull something over from reddit.... I give credit to reddit/the poster over there. They have posted many good points in regards to photo's, etc.

I am not looking at the comparison of EI/DD.... I'm looking at the photo's of EI (ignoring DD).... the first one and the one used in the comparison. The indents are not in the same spot. All you have to do is look at the C, the indent is just not in the same spot.

oh and.... if you are ever looking for photo's.... they are posted here:
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/photos/


oh and I guess I should clarify further.... I took the snipet from the document I posted in my last post too..... you will have to take my word for it, or click on the document and check it yourself.

In your post you have one photo from a Reddit member who said that it was cropped. That's what I'm talking about.
 
In your post you have one photo from a Reddit member who said that it was cropped. That's what I'm talking about.

the photo's in my post, I uploaded.

I provided "links" to others.
 
https://stopwrongfulconvictions.wor...e-bone-evidence-teresa-halbach-investigation/

I especially like this writer's articles as it is fairly clear she does her homework before posting. Out of all of the questionable "evidence" in these cases, the bones trouble me the most.

At the bottom of that .... "A Similar Case". Am I to understand that there were human adult bones in that burnpit? that were later obviously not the missing girls because her remains were found later? huh? and it was around the time of TH's disappearance?
 
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