Evidence List

BigCityAccountant said:

It was definitely found in his trailer. I saw it in a closeup of one the pictures. Didn't think much of it, just thought he was having safe sex with JS. It is either the night stand or desk. I'll try to find it again.

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ZOOL said:

Your thought about JS is interesting but JS had been incarcerated for DYI for a period of time. If SA left his safe sex disposal on his furniture for that period of time, TH's memorable remark "eww" would be more like "gaagg-pu-ke". :hills:

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BigCityAccountant said:

Oh, you are too funny...I didn't think it was used...eww

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ZOOL said:

In my recollection of the trial transcript I seem to recall someone mentioning that a signal-light kit was found in the RAV4. Thus was the reason why I began slowly searching line-by-line through the Evidence List which was made available by the Calumet Sheriff's Department pdf-file. I stumbled upon item 8368 and got side-tracked. Does anyone else remember a reference to a signal-light kit, or am I imagining it?

The reason I am curious is: If in fact the kit existed, it would help to explain a motivation for TH to have a creepy junkyard ghoul repair her broken light -- if he perhaps tried to barter the $40 Auto Trader fee.

Then once inside the garage, the ghoul....

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Day 10, Trial Transcripts, page 69, line 8
Q. (Att. Buting) This shows a very little in there, in the -- basically shows an empty cargo area, with the exception of a crumpled piece of paper of some sort and what looks like a parking light lens assembly or something?

A. (Witness Ertl) That could be, yes.

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zerbert said:

I'm not sure about whether/where it is listed in the evidence list, but there's a broken blinker that was holding up the seats in the cargo area.

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Exhibit-300-RAV4-Cargo-Area.jpg

Corresponding with that, one of the front blinkers was missing.

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Exhibit-306-RAV4-Headlight-Missing.jpg

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ZOOL said:

Thanks, zerbert! Do you have any idea what those two items between the parking light assembly and the crumpled paper are? The darker, cylindrical one looks like a lipstick container and the other, longer thing looks as if it's some sort of thumb-dropper (if my choice of wording will suffice??)

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ah yes! Calumet lists the light as driver's side blinker, item 9577

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ZOOL said:

Thanks, zerbert! Do you have any idea what those two items between the parking light assembly and the crumpled paper are? The darker, cylindrical one looks like a lipstick container and the other, longer thing looks as if it's some sort of thumb-dropper (if my choice of wording will suffice??)

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ah yes! Calumet lists the light as driver's side blinker, item 9577

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RANCH said:

I don't trust that the LE testimony is totaly accurate or the total sum of what happened in this case. JMO

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missy1974 said:

sorry Zool... I should have referenced it. In cross of Groffy, Day 10 Page 64.

Q. It was locked or unlocked?

A. The driver's door was unlocked when I got there.

Q. Okay. The other doors were locked?

A. Yes, the other doors were locked.

Q. And that would be actually four more doors, correct, including the rear?

A. That's correct, four doors.

Q. Now, if I understand, what you did was, by opening the driver's side door, you were able to sort of reach over and, with your gloves, unlock the front passenger side door first, right?

A. That's correct, I did that.

Q. And then from that location, that position on either side, front and passenger, you were able to easily reach around and unlock the rear driver and passenger side doors.

A. That's correct, I unlocked those doors.

Q. And then you were able to open all four of those doors, wide open, for taking pictures and what not?

A. That is absolutely correct.

You can continue on reading from there, but it is never clarified how that rear door was open although Buting says 4 more doors including the rear.... well that rear door doesn't just magically open from the inside. What I did gather is.... not all of those pictures were taken on the same day, and somewhere in one of these threads I actually figured out what pics were taken on what day. But I think it is fairly certain that they had that rear cargo door open on the 6th of November, at the latest the 7th. Why? because we know they did presumptive blood tests back there, the spatter on the inside door, TH's blood, etc.

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RANCH said:

Maybe they hooked the battery cable up to use the door lock switch. Or maybe the Rav4 has an inside manual door lock (no handle though) on the rear door like my Explorer has. JMO

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ZOOL said:

Thanks, zerbert! Do you have any idea what those two items between the parking light assembly and the crumpled paper are? The darker, cylindrical one looks like a lipstick container and the other, longer thing looks as if it's some sort of thumb-dropper (if my choice of wording will suffice??)

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ah yes! Calumet lists the light as driver's side blinker, item 9577

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missy1974 said:

Obviously. But no one testified to doing that, and Groffy never testified to even trying the automatic door lock first thing Sunday morning and discovering the battery disconnected. Stahlke "discovered" it.

Either way, I'm now convinced that they did have a key or had one made, which explains 05-205 8037 key copy for Toyota Rav in the evidence log IMO It does not explain why the other key, the one found in SA's bedroom, is not in the evidence list.

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BigCityAccountant said:

Thanks for making me go back and look at that car! I firmly believe she hit the deer. I'm guessing she went back to Avery's afterward to see if she could find a replacement lens. After all, she would have to visit a junkyard at some point to replace it. With the cost of Toyota len's, I doubt very much she would have gone to a dealer.

You can see carnage in the picture---look very closely at the crack in the bumper--you can see flesh sticking out. Someone wouldn't have been hit with her own car, would they?? Gruesome thought, I know.

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missy1974 said:

I have thought about her hitting a deer many times.... and a few weeks ago, one of the guys at work hit a deer on his way to work (on a highway). He had a bit more damage, and dang, I wish I had taken a picture! LOL There was little deer hairs stuck on the vehicle.... totally made me think of you BCA LOL Butttttt I didn't see any scrapes like I see on TH's vehicle. At one time I thought maybe it happened while someone was driving it to it's hiding spot... but then it doesn't make any sense that the light cover is in the RAV4 and propping up the rear seats. That wasn't someone throwing it in the back.... that was someone placing it under those seats for purpose. It's all very confusing LOL

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zerbert said:

I'm not sure what the crumpled looking paper is. If you're talking about the very dark cylinder looking thing above the pencil, I think that's where the seats fasten to on the floor. You can sorta kinda see it on this walkaround here. https://youtu.be/j92xU4r_w10?t=3m56s And agreed, the square thing is a camera card, and I don't think the contents were ever made public, were they? Or even entered into evidence? *boggle*

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BigCityAccountant said:

Thanks for making me go back and look at that car! I firmly believe she hit the deer. I'm guessing she went back to Avery's afterward to see if she could find a replacement lens. After all, she would have to visit a junkyard at some point to replace it. With the cost of Toyota len's, I doubt very much she would have gone to a dealer.

You can see carnage in the picture---look very closely at the crack in the bumper--you can see flesh sticking out. Someone wouldn't have been hit with her own car, would they?? Gruesome thought, I know.

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