gitana1
Verified Attorney
- Joined
- May 31, 2005
- Messages
- 29,345
- Reaction score
- 229,539
Unfortunately, there are many ways to torture a person that cannot be proven by an autopsy.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Right. The coroner's report showed no changes to his teeth or any signs of significant bone breaks/fractures or scars that would show torture.
I also note that what they described - deaf, blind and howling - can apply to anyone in a vegetative state. I looked it up. Moaning and such happens in vegetative states and it is unlikely he was able to process any information.
Can PVS Patients Talk?
It’s important to note that those in persistent vegetative states are unable to speak and, for the most part, unable to respond to vocal commands (Again, those with the strongest degrees of consciousness may be able to respond to minimal stimuli). Instead, they are limited to certain noises, most of which are involuntarily made.Noises commonly made by patients in persistent vegetative states include:
- crying
- grunting
- laughing
- moaning
- screaming
I think it is possible he was poisoned, deprived of oxygen, like partially drowned or suffocated, or was given contaminated food which caused botulism. Botulism can cause respiratory failure and some of the medicines used to treat it, well, with their extremely primitive medical system, I can see Otto experiencing brain injury from various things that could happen in that hellhole.
But regardless if this was a case of accidental food poisoning and horrific medical care, it WAS torture. It's clear that he wasn't given the care most political prisoners over there get. They took it up a notch.
And for this to be the result of an alleged theft of a poster? That's torture in my book.
I feel so sorry for his family. A healthy, promising young man comes back destroyed. Oh and i do not believe for a moment that he stole anything.
As to the calls for us to take out Un and his cronies, that's not going to happen without WWIII. First of all, South Korea doesn't want it to happen. They cannot absorb the millions of North Korean refugees, unskilled, starving and with nothing but a stripped, decimated wasteland to offset the cost.The fall of North Korea would be devastating to South Korea's economy:
North Korea crisis: Re-unification alone 'would cost $3 trillion' after war, professor says It could take 'at least a decade' for 30 million displaced North Koreans to integrate with South Korea following conflict
“South Korea doesn’t need its impoverished, aggressive, poorly educated brothers to inundate South Korea,” he said. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...president-nuclear-war-ballistic-a7710001.html
China too faces the economic toll of refugees flooding their nation. And they will also do everything in their power to prevent the US from setting up camp on their border:But there is growing indifference, doubt and even opposition among ordinary citizens who fear the cultural, social and economic impact could crush their society. "It's still strong as an ideal," said Stephen Epstein, an expert on South Korean society and its images of the North at the University of Victoria in Wellington, New Zealand.
Kim has moved from indifference to outright opposition. Unification is impractical, she said: "There will be a lot of costs and problems. What should we do to help North Korea with cultural and economic issues? It's not just the financial cost. They have had such a different education." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/may/27/south-north-korea-unification
And China is in a treaty with North Korea that mandates that China goes to war with any nation that attacks north korea:China has taken a few steps toward reining in North Korea, such as cutting off coal exports earlier this year. But it has not wavered in its view that a unified, Western-oriented peninsula would be far more threatening to its core national security interests than anything the North Korean state has done or will do. Unification, China believes, likely would end with the U.S. military on its border, an unacceptable risk. In turn, China has refused to take the necessary steps to really damage the North Korean regime, such as closing its border, blocking the flow of North Korean worker remittances, or enforcing a blockade against North Korean shipping. http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/07/18/china-north-korea-american-troops-removal-000476
We can't just "take out' Kim Jong Un or attack north korea. The result would be a profound change to the world as we know it. It would be WWIII.The Contracting Parties undertake jointly to adopt all measures to prevent aggression against either of the Contracting Parties by any state. In the event of one of the Contracting Parties being subjected to the armed attack by any state or several states jointly and thus being involved in a state of war, the other Contracting Party shall immediately render military and other assistance by all means at its disposal. http://thediplomat.com/2017/08/chin...utual-defense-treaty-but-when-would-it-apply/
It's amazing how last summer we weren't talking about going to war with this crazy country. Now suddenly we are and people are thirsting for it, regardless or ignorant of the extreme cost to us all should it happen.