FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #12

Truth Prevails · Feb 18, 2018

rd_jfc said:
It was many years ago I read that and commented, Truth. I probably wouldn't have been able to cite his employment had the question been asked without looking it up, and it is certainly something to be aware of. You can't point out valuable information like that too much.

By "little town" in the context of metro Orlando I mean one of the locally identifiable areas that's relatively small. I assume that Ocoee is not identifiable as a separate town but runs contiguously from surrounding towns. I've spent some time there visiting over the years and a town in metro Orlando is just another sign that says the locality name changed. It just all runs together.

Would you believe it is considered a city, population of 35,579?

I inserted below to try to identify the boundaries.

I found the following of interest and I'll try to keep it brief: the crime he is currently sitting in prison for began at a bar in Casselberry; moved to a house party, location unknown to me; moved to his home area in Fern Park where the attack occurred--out on the street.

So, a couple of different areas thrown in. Casselberry is large enough to enjoy city status, but Fern Park may rate "small town".

A link to somewhat support my rambling:

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...10330_1_james-hataway-hataway-home-karen-lowe

But, yes, these populated areas all run together, seeming to form one very large populated area. Add decent roads/highways and gorgeous weather, and the population can take their pick of living in one area and working in another. Just as Jennifer did.

rd_jfc said:
My thought was that in addition to Jennifer's workplace was that the bar and her previous apartment was relatively close to Ocoee. Now if only Hataway's family home and her employment was in Ocoee, and her previous apartment and the bar was some distance away (not as far as Millenia Mall but somewhere between there and Ocoee) then it wouldn't be correct to say multiple women vanishing from Ocoee. My thoughts that it was all close enough to have links to each other as local. If not, thanks for point that out.

Your maps are very helpful, and I haven't looked closely at that last one with locations flagged. It all seemed pretty close to me, and I think made an excellent point.

thanks Truth.

BBM - I think so, but maybe a mileage reference could come into play here. It's really not far and I think we are going to find that personal opinions come into play.

I tried to show it better down below using the Florida Tap Room (because it is within walking distance from where Jennifer lived before moving to her condo), as the starting point--from the Tap Room in Orlando to Hataway's residence to Ocoee, a drive of 9 miles according to Google Maps: (Those little red squares are my own attempt at outlining the boundary lines between Orlando proper and Ocoee proper. It's not that easy because, of course, it couldn't be a straight line or any so simple).

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And from the Tap Room in Orlando to Jenn's condo in Orlando, a drive of 5 and 1/2 miles. It is only an eight minute walk from the approximate area where Jenn lived in Metro West to the Tap Room, so the map above is better for that. (I don't have a solid address for where Jenn lived previously, so that is approximate but I believe it is close).

I also think the Ocoee police department is handling Tracy's case; whereas the Orlando Police Department is handling the cases of Jennifer and Michelle Parker.

Now, if you hung in there and read this far, I thank you.

Truth Prevails · Feb 18, 2018

wpaylor said:
Has anyone ever given thought of Jennifer being on the property of the abductor?

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I'm bumping this a little bit because I feel it is an excellent point and just thanking it didn't seem enough.

I truly hadn't given it much thought, but as I do I get that sinking feeling. Law enforcement needs probable cause to search private residences and property, and how on earth would they ever show that in Jennifer's case?

All the old, old cases I have ever read about flash through my mind. The cases where a home owner, renovating their home or working in their outside garden, come across an old skeleton dating back hundreds of years--the bones from an unsolved crime finally coming to the surface. Too late for justice.

rd_jfc · Feb 18, 2018

oh yes, fascinating research, Truth. Thanks for that.

One interesting insight there is that because of jurisdictions there isn't a police department saying we have two disappearances that may be related. Sure there is interagency cooperation but come on, we've seen the contribution Orlando Police have made to this.

I definitely need to restate without mentioning "little town" or specific to Ocoee. Thanks Truth.

liz b. · Feb 18, 2018

I find it interesting that the lawyer of the person last seen with Tracey Ocasio actually confirmed that he practiced cannibalism. jmo

thref23 · Feb 18, 2018

Truth Prevails said:
It is from this ping study that the time of the final event, or final ping, comes. However, they never mention "final ping"; they always mention "final pings" and refer to both phones going silent at the same general time. Mr. Kesse has recently expanded the time to between 10:20 pm and 10:40 pm.

Both phones going silent at nearly the same time is one of the few points of discussion on which both Mr. and Mrs. Kesse have remained consistent. Mrs. Kesse has said that she has never been given a specific time for the occurrence of both phones going silent, but that they did. Mr. Kesse has given us the time.

Yes, indeed, the pinging followed by the final event from each phone fits with a nighttime abduction.

I agree that we should not presume to know any specifics, I guess I'm just saying I buy that neither phone pinged after 10:40 pm.

I believe she was never able to produce the document that she said Jennifer signed--is that correct?

Also, I think there are two separate podcasts with different women who thought they saw someone who could have been Jennifer with a man or men on the night of the 23rd.

I think these women believe what they saw, but, personally, I find it so vague.

It is vague. The apartment tip though, is very close to her apartment, fits a reasonable time line, and goes beyond an isolated sighting. As an investigator assigned to the case, I would try investigating, for a bit at least, based on the notion that this particular tip was credible. There just isn't much else to go on.

I'll link the two episodes, just for source value. I haven't listened to them, myself, in a while, and maybe I should review them, too.

https://audioboom.com/posts/6006799-roundabout

https://audioboom.com/posts/6201436-breadcrumbs (around about the 31:00 minute mark)

I think the "Fabrications" episode of Unconcluded made some interesting points about this.

Admittedly, I barely have the patience to sit down and listen to a podcast. So, perhaps I should review those episodes as well. I understand why JC is suspected, but I'm not aware of evidence pointing to him. More generally, if he wanted to do something to her, I can't help but think that he would have had a better opportunity at a different time. If he had planned a meeting with her, it is likely she would have told someone. Showing up unannounced at her residence would have been quite risky for various reasons.

Thank you for taking the time to point out these cases. Some of them I've heard of, but some of them I haven't. It's certainly interesting to look at all the different scenarios people are able to come up with to commit these horrible crimes.

I personally find it interesting that there are multiple examples of perps who abducted a woman at her own apartment complex, and later chose to abandon her vehicle at a random nearby apartment complex. Apparently that's a thing, and not a fluke.

Markybug said:
Interesting post , i have never gave much credence to someone staging the flat , but these examples are interesting. Wouldnt take much guessing to simulate a average working womans morning routine? Bathroom, makeup , clothes laid out etc?

I'm not so sure anything happened inside Jen's condo. But if someone did stage the scene, I suppose it must have been someone who was very familiar with her, like an SO or an ex?

Truth Prevails · Feb 18, 2018

thref23 said:
I agree that we should not presume to know any specifics, I guess I'm just saying I buy that neither phone pinged after 10:40 pm.

Well, I think that we can be confident that a ping study occurred and is sitting in the hands of law enforcement. Personally, I buy into the theory that not only did either phone ping after 10:40 pm on the 23rd, but that at least Jennifer's phone showed movement between the ending of the long distance phone call with Rob and the final event pings from both phones occurring between 10:20 pm and 10:40 pm.

It doesn't necessarily mean Jenn left her condo--but if that is not the case, then someone somehow gained possession of the two cell phones and was moving around with the phones in their possession. That's the only two scenarios I can come up with: Jen left her condo with the phones in her possession, either willingly or at gun/knife point; or, there were two evil SOB's--one took the phones and went on a little joy ride, while the other dealt with Jenn.

I dunno.

thref23 said:
IIt is vague. The apartment tip though, is very close to her apartment, fits a reasonable time line, and goes beyond an isolated sighting. As an investigator assigned to the case, I would try investigating, for a bit at least, based on the notion that this particular tip was credible. There just isn't much else to go on.

Good points, but if I was investigating I would be more interested in this if I could locate that short document that this person said Jenn filled in with her name--I am not sure of the specifics. (I'll look that up, though. I'm curious).

It would give it credibility.

Remember this was just a few days before Jenn left on her vacation and no-one else has mentioned that Jennifer was upset about anything. The feeling that I remember getting from that podcast was that the woman thought to be Jennifer appeared terrified. I don't think that was the case with Jennifer--for one thing, Jenn would have been on the phone with her father, mother, boyfriend, brother, friend. Anyone--that's what Jenn did when she was afraid or concerned.

She went out with a girlfriend one evening not long before she left for Fort Lauderdale; they had a drink. I don't think this action fits with a woman being so terrified she was acting strange in public.

thref23 said:
Admittedly, I barely have the patience to sit down and listen to a podcast. So, perhaps I should review those episodes as well. I understand why JC is suspected, but I'm not aware of evidence pointing to him. More generally, if he wanted to do something to her, I can't help but think that he would have had a better opportunity at a different time. If he had planned a meeting with her, it is likely she would have told someone. Showing up unannounced at her residence would have been quite risky for various reasons.

How well I understand that. Sometimes I have to kick my butt and make myself sit down and listen. At least the Unconcluded podcasts are quite short--usually around a half hour each.

Considering the topic above in the snipped paragraph, the last podcast introduced an "unnamed but reliable" source who suggested that 'the employee'--mentioned in "the letter" and named such by the Unconcluded podcast people--may have been interested in having a romantic relationship with Jennifer, himself at one point. So maybe some sour grapes between "the manager" and "the employee," or an attempt to be the first to point the finger?

I do think there may have been answers at Jennifer's workplace at one time. I fear it's too late now, and perhaps it was even in 2010--when LE finally arrived to seriously investigate. (Or at least it seems that way to me).

thref23 said:
I personally find it interesting that there are multiple examples of perps who abducted a woman at her own apartment complex, and later chose to abandon her vehicle at a random nearby apartment complex. Apparently that's a thing, and not a fluke.

Yes, that is very interesting.

With most of your referenced cases, I believe the victims were all known to their perpetrators, too--some in a closer circle than others. (I still need to check this, though, as I'm not familiar with all your examples).

I always look for an indication of motive. I never give up on that. I believe it really matters.

Last paragraph respectfully snipped by me.

Myserty64 · Feb 18, 2018

I have been through the last fifteen pages of this thread and there is many truly great posts/theories on this abduction.
It takes a little bit of time but really does refresh the memory.

A paragraph that caught my eyes was in a post by Truth Prevails and was about the reward money put up many years ago:

Then a $1,000,000 reward for Jennifer's safe return is offered. I believe I read somewhere that it was Jennifer's employer who actually put the money up for it. That's a lot of money, even if the reward was only offered for a specific time period. If it's true about the backer of the reward, one would have to think they cared a great deal, right? Is there an "or" there?

I recall debating this reward all those years ago and my initial thoughts have never changed.

I guess if you are prepared to put up a reward of this magnitude you are also prepared to 'lose' it. Whilst the offer was well intended it seemed to be very limited and the limiting factor was Jennifer's 'safe' return.
When a person like Jennifer suddenly vanishes it is deadly serious from the first few minutes (this is something LE in particular needs to change their attitude on).

If that reward or even half the amount was offered for Jennifer's return, period, it may have had a better chance of producing a result. JMHO.

Is there any reward currently on offer for finding Jennifer Kesse?

Truth Prevails · Feb 19, 2018

Myserty64 said:
I have been through the last fifteen pages of this thread and there is many truly great posts/theories on this abduction.
It takes a little bit of time but really does refresh the memory.

A paragraph that caught my eyes was in a post by Truth Prevails and was about the reward money put up many years ago:

Then a $1,000,000 reward for Jennifer's safe return is offered. I believe I read somewhere that it was Jennifer's employer who actually put the money up for it. That's a lot of money, even if the reward was only offered for a specific time period. If it's true about the backer of the reward, one would have to think they cared a great deal, right? Is there an "or" there?

I recall debating this reward all those years ago and my initial thoughts have never changed.

I guess if you are prepared to put up a reward of this magnitude you are also prepared to 'lose' it. Whilst the offer was well intended it seemed to be very limited and the limiting factor was Jennifer's 'safe' return.
When a person like Jennifer suddenly vanishes it is deadly serious from the first few minutes (this is something LE in particular needs to change their attitude on).

If that reward or even half the amount was offered for Jennifer's return, period, it may have had a better chance of producing a result. JMHO.

Is there any reward currently on offer for finding Jennifer Kesse?

I'm not sure of the particulars, but CrimeLine is currently offering a $15,000 reward. Also, I believe in addition to this, Jenn's parents offer a $10,000 reward.

Thank you for bringing this to light again as I forgot to point out that the $1,000,000 time-limited reward was strictly offered for information leading to an alive Jennifer.

I see so many red flags surrounding Jenn's workplace that I have to gulp when people discus what wonderful, concerned people they are/were. That's just me, though.

It even seems to me that the problems the Kesse's face today with law enforcement originate right back to the morning of the 24th of January, 2006, when Jennifer's workplace chose to notify her parents rather than law enforcement that Jenn was one and one-half hours late for work.

As the wonderful parents they are, of course, they responded. But they didn't understand--in my mind, they simply couldn't contemplate--that maybe they were destroying a crime scene, even if it was the hallway.

When law enforcement was finally notified around 5ish (I think,) they most likely understood, but it was too late. The mistrust and the blame, and battle for control, between the two sides had begun.

This all started going wrong right from the get-go.

wpaylor · Feb 19, 2018

Truth Prevails said:
I'm not sure of the particulars, but CrimeLine is currently offering a $15,000 reward. Also, I believe in addition to this, Jenn's parents also offer a $10,000 reward.

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Thank you for bringing this to light again as I forgot to point out that the $1,000,000 time-limited reward was strictly offered for information leading to an alive Jennifer.

I see so many red flags surrounding Jenn's workplace that I have to gulp when people discus what wonderful, concerned people they are/were. That's just me, though.

It even seems to me that the problems the Kesse's face today with law enforcement originate right back to the morning of the 24th of January, 2006, when Jennifer's workplace chose to notify her parents rather than law enforcement that Jenn was one and one-half hours late for work.

As the wonderful parents they are, of course, they responded. But they didn't understand--in my mind, they simply couldn't contemplate--that maybe they were destroying a crime scene, even if it was the hallway.

Law enforcement most likely understood, but it was too late. The mistrust and the blame between the two sides had begun.

This all started going wrong right from the get-go.

The fact that LE waited 3 years to investigate (if that is the right word) Jennifer's workplace is just nuts! That should have been the second place they processed at the very least. I know that the case was bungled from the get go, but something really seems "off" with LE in the way the whole case has been handled, even after the original detectives retired.

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Truth Prevails · Feb 19, 2018

wpaylor said:
The fact that LE waited 3 years to investigate (if that is the right word) Jennifer's workplace is just nuts! That should have been the second place they processed at the very least. I know that the case was bungled from the get go, but something really seems "off" with LE in the way the whole case has been handled, even after the original detectives retired.

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Here are some short statements from one of Jennifer's co-workers that I transcribed from the last of the three videos from Greta's special on Jennifer.

So, we know that LE did show within the first four or five days, but if we can believe the following, the effort seems questionable.

@ about :28 seconds in:
Jennifers co-worker: It was probably four or five days into her disappearance that the police did come out to the office and start interviewing some people.

@ about :46 seconds in:
The interviews were awful short. We expected they would they would do a little more digging into Jennifer and her work acquaintances.

They did collect her work computer and said that they were going to examine her computer and her hard drive.

@ about 1:28 minutes in:
As far as I know the only people that they talked to were a limited number of people that they had gained leads on from other interviews. So, if we told the police that she had a friendship with one individual, then they would interview that person.

@ about 2:37 minutes in:
This was very difficult on me personally, and several other people in the office that were close to Jennifer, because Jennifer was not just a co-worker, she was a true friend.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/3642477484001/?#sp=show-clips

wpaylor · Feb 19, 2018

Truth Prevails said:
Here are some short statements from one of Jennifer's co-workers that I transcribed from the last of the three videos from Greta's special on Jennifer.

So, we know that LE did show within the first four or five days, but if we can believe the following, the effort seems questionable.

@ about :28 seconds in:
Jennifers co-worker: It was probably four or five days into her disappearance that the police did come out to the office and start interviewing some people.

@ about :46 seconds in:
The interviews were awful short. We expected they would they would do a little more digging into Jennifer and her work acquaintances.

They did collect her work computer and said that they were going to examine her computer and her hard drive.

@ about 1:28 minutes in:
As far as I know the only people that they talked to were a limited number of people that they had gained leads on from other interviews. So, if we told the police that she had a friendship with one individual, then they would interview that person.

@ about 2:37 minutes in:
This was very difficult on me personally, and several other people in the office that were close to Jennifer, because Jennifer was not just a co-worker, she was a true friend.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/3642477484001/?#sp=show-clips

It would seem to me that responsible police work would be to process her condo from one end to the other, even if the Kesses had gone in and then to go to her workplace and interview each and every person in the office. I appreciate your post and didn't realize that they had even talked with anyone that soon after Jennifer disappeared.

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scadagirl28 · Feb 20, 2018

wpaylor said:
It would seem to me that responsible police work would be to process her condo from one end to the other, even if the Kesses had gone in and then to go to her workplace and interview each and every person in the office. I appreciate your post and didn't realize that they had even talked with anyone that soon after Jennifer disappeared.

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I totally agree. I love stating the obvious but disappearances buy time. It creates that gray area. She had a disagreement with her boyfriend . She will be back in a couple of hours.

liz b. · Feb 20, 2018

Wish they had taken a cadaver dog into the condo, and in the area by the back stairs. Also in the woods behind the condo.

wpaylor · Feb 23, 2018

liz b. said:
Wish they had taken a cadaver dog into the condo, and in the area by the back stairs. Also in the woods behind the condo.

After 12 years, is there anything LE can do now to move Jennifer's case along? I have racked my brain and other than allowing the Private Detectives access to police files, I really can't come up with anything!

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rd_jfc · Feb 23, 2018

wpaylor said:
After 12 years, is there anything LE can do now to move Jennifer's case along? I have racked my brain and other than allowing the Private Detectives access to police files, I really can't come up with anything!

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#1. Release the times and tower A, tower B, even tower C if a third is involved of the pings from each cell phone, Jennifer's and the one left behind, that were found. Not asking for the location of the towers, just Jennifer phone, time, tower A, etc. Also the ending time of the 9:57 pm phone call.

That would allow a determination that abduction occurred evening or, lacking any information of any activity all night and morning, at least knowing the assumption of a morning abduction lacks any technical basis. Many people are not the least squeamish about dealing with reality, but the reality has to be not hidden to deal with it.

#2 Provide a solid finding on whether it was likely that Jennifer had ever sent a package from work before. This is another issue that people skirt around because apparently there are people that have and think it routine to send an occasional package from work as from the employer, or something, lots of muttering in posts that seems to be what they're saying.

So it's like of course Jennifer was sending the package from work because, of course. Brilliant reasoning. Need OPD's finest minds to give a definitive on their finding on this. OPD's original statement to reporters was that they felt that Jennifer went out looking for a mailbox. This is either garbled police statements or garbled reporting on valid statements, but looking for a mailbox after 10 pm at night is not valid. It doesn't even deserve to be repeated, much less reported.

So let's get with the program, determine if there is any justifcation at all, as in past use, of Jennifer shipping a personal package from work, in any way whatsoever, or whether there is ample cause to think that Jennifer did have reason to get that cell phone off her hands in some way, and there are multiple options on that, at least one the OPD may not have considered at time but could have been wanting to offload problem to a friend nearby.

The owner did ask for it back ASAP, actually I believe requested it be overnighted (which is still going out end of Tuesday business day, not overnight Monday night), but there is a discrepancy between that urgency and offered anonymous opinions that Jennifer didn't care whatsoever about any rush to send it back. That of course could only be expressed to those she talked to Monday evening. I don't know if there was any expression or not, they do.

#3 I spent a considerable amount of time working on enhancing the POI images in 2007. I found things in the images. I have the images posted. I have posted isolated pieces throughout these threads, to degree that I might be charged with littering, and the OPD wouldn't even respond to my tips, even acknowledge that they got them and don't give a dam. I don't know, I could have a vision and they would go do a search, but if the vision is something they can look at they don't want to know about it. They have a nice volunteer to take down the tip and give you a number, and that's end of story.

The images and extracts have been up for I guess 11 years and counting now, and what I asked for was feedback on identifying gear from the shapes. Even it couldn't be anything law enforcement because nothing has those kind of thigh straps, anything, any feedback. I found a security company ad with an armed bike patrolman, wearing nearly exactly what I identified,
the security company being where she just came from, in area where her bf lived, and nothing. Not where this gear came from, not who might have it, not where this security company had gigs, nothing, nothing, nothing.

The company lost its security clearance after Jennifer disappeared and before I found all this stuff in 2007, so I couldn't just call up the company. That's why police have tip lines, but they don't use the tips.

That's a start. I'm sure there's more if a PI agency got involved, and there was one who posted here last year, and if you think OPD was bad, the PI firm couldn't even get started due to some interference, so life goes on except for Jennifer. Year after year.

rd

wpaylor · Feb 23, 2018

rd_jfc said:
#1. Release the times and tower A, tower B, even tower C if a third is involved of the pings from each cell phone, Jennifer's and the one left behind, that were found. Not asking for the location of the towers, just Jennifer phone, time, tower A, etc. Also the ending time of the 9:57 pm phone call.

That would allow a determination that abduction occurred evening or, lacking any information of any activity all night and morning, at least knowing the assumption of a morning abduction lacks any technical basis. Many people are not the least squeamish about dealing with reality, but the reality has to be not hidden to deal with it.

#2 Provide a solid finding on whether it was likely that Jennifer had ever sent a package from work before. This is another issue that people skirt around because apparently there are people that have and think it routine to send an occasional package from work as from the employer, or something, lots of muttering in posts that seems to be what they're saying.

So it's like of course Jennifer was sending the package from work because, of course. Brilliant reasoning. Need OPD's finest minds to give a definitive on their finding on this. OPD's original statement to reporters was that they felt that Jennifer went out looking for a mailbox. This is either garbled police statements or garbled reporting on valid statements, but looking for a mailbox after 10 pm at night is not valid. It doesn't even deserve to be repeated, much less reported.

So let's get with the program, determine if there is any justifcation at all, as in past use, of Jennifer shipping a personal package from work, in any way whatsoever, or whether there is ample cause to think that Jennifer did have reason to get that cell phone off her hands in some way, and there are multiple options on that, at least one the OPD may not have considered at time but could have been wanting to offload problem to a friend nearby.

The owner did ask for it back ASAP, actually I believe requested it be overnighted (which is still going out end of Tuesday business day, not overnight Monday night), but there is a discrepancy between that urgency and offered anonymous opinions that Jennifer didn't care whatsoever about any rush to send it back. That of course could only be expressed to those she talked to Monday evening. I don't know if there was any expression or not, they do.

#3 I spent a considerable amount of time working on enhancing the POI images in 2007. I found things in the images. I have the images posted. I have posted isolated pieces throughout these threads, to degree that I might be charged with littering, and the OPD wouldn't even respond to my tips, even acknowledge that they got them and don't give a dam. I don't know, I could have a vision and they would go do a search, but if the vision is something they can look at they don't want to know about it. They have a nice volunteer to take down the tip and give you a number, and that's end of story.

The images and extracts have been up for I guess 11 years and counting now, and what I asked for was feedback on identifying gear from the shapes. Even it couldn't be anything law enforcement because nothing has those kind of thigh straps, anything, any feedback. I found a security company ad with an armed bike patrolman, wearing nearly exactly what I identified,
the security company being where she just came from, in area where her bf lived, and nothing. Not where this gear came from, not who might have it, not where this security company had gigs, nothing, nothing, nothing.

The company lost its security clearance after Jennifer disappeared and before I found all this stuff in 2007, so I couldn't just call up the company. That's why police have tip lines, but they don't use the tips.

That's a start. I'm sure there's more if a PI agency got involved, and there was one who posted here last year, and if you think OPD was bad, the PI firm couldn't even get started due to some interference, so life goes on except for Jennifer. Year after year.

rd

You amaze me! But there is still the question of why. You have practically handed a case to them and then, nothing! Does that not speak volumes to you?? But again, the big question is WHY? Is it ineptitude, is it laziness, or is it something more nefarious? I hate to think that, but usually, LE seems to be anxious to solve a crime but why not in this case?

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Myserty64 · Feb 24, 2018

LE can only be seen as inept regarding the first 48 hours of this investigation.

The only way I think this case can be solved is by the perpetrator confessing.
That is extremely unlikely when a perpetrator can't be identified.

Having written this there is one other possibility.
There may be in the future some amazing technology we can only dream about. DNA from photographs? Absurd perhaps but if anyone had told me forty years ago we could take photographs via cameras without film I would have thought that's impossible.

So future technology is perhaps this case's best and only hope.

Skully · Feb 24, 2018

I have an idea, not sure what it will yield, but maybe some of you would be up for the challenge. I know many of you think there is a connection to Michelle Parker's case and Jennifer's. I think that there are eerie singularities between the two cases, but DS is mostly the cause of MP case. But sometimes you get stuck on the POI and don't look anywhere else. So here is what I propose.

If anyone has Google Earth or Google Maps, (Earth gives a date) start with the closest date of both crimes. Look at the areas, see if there are any cars, trucks, work vehicles, buses anything that appear in or around the crimes scenes at the both places. If you know what your POI is driving at the time, (JC, property guy, DS, ect.) it would help. I did this in another case and I did get a very good lead. The case was more than 10 yrs old. So sometimes you get a hit. If you decide to do this, maybe a new thread to post your pics. I know they have lots of pics in MP case, and we have some pics for Jenn, so include them and compare them. You can also do soft searches for people to connect by other people. I won't post details as I am not sure it is okay with TOS. Anyway, it is something you could work on and you never know what you will find. I am not able to do this, ( I currently work on other cases that take up a lot of my time) but I would help out where I can.

Skully · Feb 24, 2018

oh, I forgot, in MP's case, Google Earth took images a day before she went missing, IIRC.

MaryG12 · Feb 24, 2018

A few questions:

The address of the building where that suspect was seen?

Any parks/preserves between the suspect's building where he parked JK's car and her condo?

Any available records of any people moving out of the condo where the suspect was seen?

Have crawl spaces at the suspect's condo been checked for evidence of JK?

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