Shannan Gilbert Found, death declared an accident. #2

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Peter Brendt said:
Cruz, Schaller, Terri, ... no name for MBB, Pak ... not one overlapping in the names of the persons who ran the business with those women. Which not only means, no prove, but rather proves, no connection. Unless sex trafficking organizations provide now every prostitute with their own pimp, pa, driver and SUV.
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Do we know if MP owned the vehicle he was driving? What if the drivers worked for the same company? For example... Arrow Transportation in Long Island City. Might be the limo/car services know quite a bit about the escort services?
 
Redbird said:
Are you actually suggesting that her bones blew across the area and landed in perfect place? You are serious? This forum has gone mad.
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Not bones but a decomposing body?

And if you read what I wrote I was saying that the show on Saturday probably won't reveal to us whether or not her bones were found perfectly in place. Do we really know if her skeleton was perfectly intact or was it more of a pile of bones scattered over a small area (which would explain why it took so many months for the ME to make any sort of determination).

There is only one known arial photo of the detectives standing and looking at her remains and when many of you gave your own personal opinion on what exactly we were all looking at in that photo, most of you could not even agree upon which end was her skull and which was her pelvic bone. I think someone here even insisted that a large object like a car's oil pan was on top of her chest cavity (which could have been a piece of plastic or other trash that also blew up into that area with a storm).

Did the thought ever strike anyone's mind that perhaps her bones were simply scattered in a random pattern?

Would this not also explain the reason for the one human bone that almost always goes unaccounted for whenever crime scene investigators attempt to collect all of the bones?
 
By the way, there is a strong science that supports how almost every body of water has an area where things accumulate. Just Google "Great Pacific Garbage Patch" and look at the photos.

Truthspider confirmed that the legs from the Jane Doe that washed up on Fire Island were found on a small stretch of beach known for accumulating all sorts of objects from the bay. This is yet another example.
 
I would like to respond to your comment about the picture of something covering her chest (maybe holding bones in place?) but my computer is acting up something fierce. Will try later because I am glad you mentioned the photo.
 
Seaslug44 said:
Yes and I bet the special isn't going to tell us any details about signs of decomposition in the soil or the layout of her bones (specifically her leg bones). If there was an influx of water there with the hurricane and with each of the nor'easter storms last year then this would explain how her pants and belongings could have simply drifted around the swamp away from her bones.

It is even possible that her remains may have been blown to that side of the wetlands during the hurricane. She could have died where her belongings were found.

The family and attorney might be right; maybe it is unlikely that she ran to her resting place with no shoes and no pants. They just aren't about to consider that perhaps she drifted there months or a year or more later.

We shall never know.
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That idea of being blown away would work only before there is too much decomposition. But otherwise, the question is, how much of her belongings she actually threw away. People running in panic often leave a trail of stuff. And if paradoxical undressing already set in even more.
 
fred&edna said:
Do we know if MP owned the vehicle he was driving? What if the drivers worked for the same company? For example... Arrow Transportation in Long Island City. Might be the limo/car services know quite a bit about the escort services?
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So we do what now? Suspecting all car services or trying to get the info?
 
Peter Brendt said:
So we do what now? Suspecting all car services or trying to get the info?
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It's your opinion there is no connection between the drivers, pimps, etc. It's my opinion that there could, possibly be one. I'm currently working two jobs, I don't have as much time to spend sleuthing and posting as some.
 
nugzter said:
Exactly!!!!
Also did you notice the scene from the marker where SG was found, that there were pools of wate,r and all the muck. The clip was a bit too fast to get the full picture, but there WAS standing water. And depending on when the 48 Hrs piece was shot, it could me more or less full (of water) depending on the season. So drowning "could " be a reasonable COD theory.
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The photos of the standing water is where they found her belongings. Her body was found some distance away, without her cloths on!
 
fieldnotes said:
They're not equally spaced - that was bad reporting early on. It ranges from something like 200 to 800 feet apart. But yeah I mean the taunting phone calls don't strike me as someone who is a "professional." However, the two Manorville ones, with the removal of hands and tattoos does have a professional feel to them IMO. I would like to see us focus again at some point on the whole Brooklyn connection tho. So many players lead back there.
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MOs change. They evolve. A lot of attention, and as you note, misreporting on the distances between the bodies. The real question pertains to the distances not between the bodies within the brush, but rather between the bodies and the Parkway. Anybody?
 
Adler said:
MOs change. They evolve. A lot of attention, and as you note, misreporting on the distances between the bodies. The real question pertains to the distances not between the bodies within the brush, but rather between the bodies and the Parkway. Anybody?
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from the sites that I saw, not very far. Do you really want to know the distance of the remains from the pavement or from the beginning of the brush?

as in "8 feet into the brush" or "20 feet from pavement"
 
Maureen, Melssa and Amber were all found right pass where the brush starts. Megan seemed to be found about 8 feet into the brush between two trees. From the pavement of the Parkway it was very close like 10 feet from the pavement. You can walk from one spot to the other on foot between the four of them.
truthspider said:
from the sites that I saw, not very far. Do you really want to know the distance of the remains from the pavement or from the beginning of the brush?

as in "8 feet into the brush" or "20 feet from pavement"
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truthspider said:
from the sites that I saw, not very far. Do you really want to know the distance of the remains from the pavement or from the beginning of the brush?

as in "8 feet into the brush" or "20 feet from pavement"
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Not really,
I've just always wondered about it. What I really want to know is who's bringing the popcorn to the H's to watch the 48 Hours show tonight.
 
meltruth said:
Maureen, Melssa and Amber were all found right pass where the brush starts. Megan seemed to be found about 8 feet into the brush between two trees. From the pavement of the Parkway it was very close like 10 feet from the pavement. You can walk from one spot to the other on foot between the four of them.
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In some pictures, it looked like the brushes were a little lower than the pavement. As if the pavement is a little raised or something. I'm not sure if I saw wrong, but if so, I would also like to know, how far does it go down there. An inch? A foot?
 
Sorry Peter just a bit confused. Are we talking about if there is a slight raising of the pavement to the grass and the bushes, kinda like a slight descent?
Peter Brendt said:
In some pictures, it looked like the brushes were a little lower than the pavement. As if the pavement is a little raised or something. I'm not sure if I saw wrong, but if so, I would also like to know, how far does it go down there. An inch? A foot?
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Peter as I went over the pictures I have from being there it seems that the pavement is even with the grass than it goes to a slight decent of a hill to the brushes.
 
Adler said:
Not really,
I've just always wondered about it. What I really want to know is who's bringing the popcorn to the H's to watch the 48 Hours show tonight.
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They eat pop's con, not popcorn.
 
Peter Brendt said:
I read it. It will be mildly interesting to see, how they reason it. Personally, I would rather look for "negligent manslaughter" or something and pin Brewer, but I guess, being killed by an SK is maybe less painful for the family?
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The truth--the whole truth--and nothing but the truth may be less painful for the family.
 
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