IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #42

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Dear Websleuths Members,

Please DO NOT bring in family members of the victim's and suggest they might have had something to do with the crime. As of right now, there is ZERO evidence to suggest this is the case.

People, please think about what Abby and Liberty's loved ones are going through right now.

They lost their two angels to murder and now they read on the Internet people are ripping their lives apart.

Same thing with any random person you happen to bring up. These people do not deserve to have their lives spread out and accusations made against them based on a theory with nothing to back it up.

I know it's frustrating when you go on other sites and they are talking about EVERYTHING but we just do not work that way on Websleuths.

You are anonymous behind your computer screen. Doesn't hurt you if you post something that's not true about a grieving family member. You step away from your computer and all is well. Meanwhile, your words are like burning hot knives in people's hearts.

Please take a moment to read our ruleshttp://www.websleuths.com/forums/misc.php?do=showrules

If you have any questions please email websleuthscomments@gmail.com or send a private message.

Ask yourself the following; Would you stand face to face with the person you are accusing, tell them your theory and tell them your real name?

Even with our tight and well thought out rules Websleuths is able to do amazing sleuthing.

Thank you for caring about Abby and Liberty.

Tricia Griffith
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PS. Thank you KayElJay for letting me post in your opening post.

MISSING: Two 13-year-old girls dropped off to go walking at Carroll County trail
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Carroll County Sheriff Toby Leazenby said Abigail Williams and Liberty German were last seen around 1 p.m. when they were dropped off to go hiking at High Bridge, just east of Delphi.
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Police ID bodies of Indiana girls

Two bodies found along a northern Indiana stream are those of two teenage girls who went missing Mondayand their deaths are being investigated as homicides, authorities said on Wednesday.

State Police Sgt. Kim Riley said autopsies performed Wednesday determined that the bodies are those of Liberty German, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, both of Delphi.

Their bodies were found Tuesday afternoon along Deer Creek near Delphi, about 60 miles northwest of Indianapolis. Police said the girls’ bodies were about three-quarters of a mile from an abandoned railroad bridge where they were dropped off Monday to go hiking.

ISP page dedicated to the investigation (includes audio of suspect)

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Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at (800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff’s Department at (765) 564-2413.

Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

video of press conference of 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

Audio loop http://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_male_voice_loop.mp3

SGT. KIM RILEY, INDIANA STATE POLICE (via telephone) with CNN re: three posts in the image on the bridge

RILEY: We have looked at it. We`ve blown it up. As a matter of fact, that was done right after we got the picture -- we had access to the picture. And if you look at the far end of the tracks, it looks like there`s two people actually standing there. But if you blow the picture up, you`ll notice that there`s actually three poles there to keep cars from being -- trying to drive across the bridge. So that`s the marks that you see at the end of the tracks.

Teen used cell phone to capture chilling audio of her killer: Police
 
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Hi Everyone,

In case you haven't seen the videos made by our member "grayhuze" here they are all in one place.

I would highly recommend you watch these videos if you haven't already.

You get the full sense of how it must have been for Abby and Libby in addition to helping you understand the crime scene.

Video # 1 [video=youtube;_TFz4citG68]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TFz4citG68&index=2&list=PLm8YOVMTz18HSfgvOn7eBtCVaCghbLHws[/video]

Video # 2 - [video=youtube;AS24hYv_X8Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS24hYv_X8Q&list=PLm8YOVMTz18HSfgvOn7eBtCVaCghbLHws&index=1[/video]

Video # 3 [video=youtube;HH3twaMV9Fg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH3twaMV9Fg&index=3&list=PLm8YOVMTz18HSfgvOn7eBtCVaCghbLHws[/video]


Here is a link for all the videos https://youtu.be/AS24hYv_X8Q?list=PLm8YOVMTz18HSfgvOn7eBtCVaCghbLHws



Thank you grayhuze for taking the time to help Abby and Libby.

Tricia Griffith
Owner/Websleuths.com
 
ATTENTION EVERYONE:

With the latest search warrant being served at the home of property owner Ron Logan we have decided to open up Ron Logan to sleuthing with these rules:

*Use his initials only (R.L.) or call him the land owner.

*This does not mean you can sleuth his family or neighbors.

*In the event you do discover something about someone else who happens to be connected to R.L. and you think
it is related to the case you must check with us before you post it.

* R.L HAS NOT BEEN NAMED A PERSON OF INTEREST. Please do not accuse him of the crime.

If you have any questions alert on any post and send us your question. Or you can send a private message to one of the mods.

To reiterate, You can now sleuth the land owner R.L. but ONLY R.L. No accusing R.L. or anyone of being the killer.

Thank you,
Tricia






carbuff said:
This just in from Alexis McAdams:

BREAKING: ISP,FBI & Carrol Co. Sheriffs served search warrant at home of Ron Logan- owner of the property where the girls bodies were found

[video=twitter;842769551901282304]https://twitter.com/AlexisMcAdamsTV/status/842769551901282304[/video]
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KenzieK said:
We don't know any of that, and neither does Sgt. Slocum. None of us were there, and none of us were inside Libby's head. If Libby was THAT terrified at that point in time I would hope she would have called 911. IMO the image on the bridge is bad quality because BG wasn't even supposed to be in the shot. I assume Libby's focus was on Abby, and on Abby alone. BG just happened to be walking into the edge of the frame. MOO.
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I think she didn't want him to know she was filming him, so she made it look like she was taking a photo or filming abby. That would be the smart discreet thing to do. Shes not going to blatantly film the guy thats creeping them out.

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I asked as the thread was closing. What do we know about the person who discovered the bodies. It was a neighbor--but an neighbor to who? To RL? To one of the girls? Or just neighbor as in "anyone whose property neighbors the park"?

I doubt it but I haven't seen enough detail released to rule it out for sure. Is there anyway at all that RL could've been the searcher who discovered the bodies as well?

Tell me we have something to be sure it's not. I am sure I just missed or forgot some details.


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Not really relevant but...

I saw a hitchhiker on my way home from work today. He had the same build & somewhat similar clothing as BG and had a blue over-stuffed backpack sitting on the ground beside him. I'm in Kentucky, several hours away from Delphi, IN, and while I don't often see hitchhikers, lots of men dress like BG... and I seriously doubt this could actually be him but... I've thought about him ever since I passed by. 'Hate it when thoughts nag at me.
 
Have you already discussed the man in the Youtube video by Eric A. titled "Delphi Murder Suspect Identified". Search with those words and the video pops up first. Anyone know who this man is and why does this video maker think he's involved? IMO BG is not RL, so just interested..
 
Riley said the girls’ bodies were found in a wooded area about 50 feet from the banks of Deer Creek in an area less than a mile upstream from the railroad bridge that’s known locally as the Monon High Bridge.

He thanked volunteers who helped search the base of the bridge and surrounding trails for the girls, whose bodies were found by one of those volunteers.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/liberty-german-abigail-williams-dead-delphi-indiana-bodies-identified/

BessDrew said:
I asked as the thread was closing. What do we know about the person who discovered the bodies. It was a neighbor--but an neighbor to who? To RL? To one of the girls? Or just neighbor as in "anyone whose property neighbors the park"?

I doubt it but I haven't seen enough detail released to rule it out for sure. Is there anyway at all that RL could've been the searcher who discovered the bodies as well?

Tell me we have something to be sure it's not. I am sure I just missed or forgot some details.


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verde said:
Have you already discussed the man in the Youtube video by Eric A. titled "Delphi Murder Suspect Identified". Search with those words and the video pops up first. Anyone know who this man is and why does this video maker think he's involved? IMO BG is not RL, so just interested..
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That video is hogwash click-bait, IMO. My worry is also that this Eric person is smearing some innocent fellow.

JMO
 
verde said:
Have you already discussed the man in the Youtube video by Eric A. titled "Delphi Murder Suspect Identified". Search with those words and the video pops up first. Anyone know who this man is and why does this video maker think he's involved? IMO BG is not RL, so just interested..
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I think the youtube-er just wants page views. The guy looks 20 years older than BG. He volunteered to help his community and in return he gets called a suspect on the internet. Not cool.

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Marking my spot here. Was hoping there would be some news today. I am holding out for April 3rd for any updates now; rather anxiously.
 
verde said:
Have you already discussed the man in the Youtube video by Eric A. titled "Delphi Murder Suspect Identified". Search with those words and the video pops up first. Anyone know who this man is and why does this video maker think he's involved? IMO BG is not RL, so just interested..
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The Eric has a long criminal history though. Along with some odd posts. Cass and Carroll counties. Idk abt Howard county.


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fred&edna said:
Not really relevant but...

I saw a hitchhiker on my way home from work today. He had the same build & somewhat similar clothing as BG and had a blue over-stuffed backpack sitting on the ground beside him. I'm in Kentucky, several hours away from Delphi, IN, and while I don't often see hitchhikers, lots of men dress like BG... and I seriously doubt this could actually be him but... I've thought about him ever since I passed by. 'Hate it when thoughts nag at me.
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I know how you feel. I'm in Michigan and seen a man enter and picked up a sub at my daughter's work. You do see men dress here and there in cameo but not often. He looked 100% like him from head to toe. Even had his right hand in pocket. He took his hand out to get money and my mouth hit the floor. All 4 fingers were stubs! You could tell it was from a accident. The pinky finger did not have a nail on it. Plus the van he was driving did not have a plate.

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