George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General Discussion Thread #8
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costalpilot
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you forgot the "imo" and you neglected TM's juvenille rap sheet in your summation of his life.
PHD's, MD's, Scientists, Professionals, all kinds of folks who are good students commit crimes with some regularity. this isn't an opinion, its a fact, imo.
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Good morning! Imo, all bets are off in this trial. Since they don't have any evidence against George, imo, then they're going to try to throw anything and everything against the wall and hope something sticks.
We'll see what the judge says. If she lets that through, justice's goose is cooked, in my opinion.
Still and all, justice's goose is never truly cooked, because what goes around, comes around...
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IIRC, the gist of the reason why the prosecution called him was to show more inconsistencies in GZ's story. He relayed what GZ had told him about that night and wrote a book regarding what happened so I think it was more or less to show the jury that GZ told his friend a different version than the other versions he told.
As a viewer, I realize that the inconsistencies may be viewed as equating to not being truthful and since this case elicits very strong for or against opinions so to those who disbelieve GZ, it would be considered untruthful behavior. I haven't made up my mind yet because this trial is not over but IMHO with respect to the different statements, I can barely remember what I ate for breakfast or did my entire day and would probably give five different versions of it. But that is just me.
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Maybe so, but sometimes emotions leak out! :blushing:
Depends on how you look at it. IMO, GZ didn't want that position because he would not be able to carry his weapon and he would be in a marked vehicle with no powers beyond what he had as a general citizen.
GZ has displayed issues that at times sound like they border, IMO, paranoia. IMO, GZ would have felt like a sitting duck in the position that was suggested to him.
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I'm not sure whether he left his lights on or his key in the ignition or both, but when he got out the truck, the vehicle dinged (ding, ding, ding) like something was left on (lights or key in ignition) and the sound can be heard on the 911 call. It happens when he says he has to get out of his vehicle to see the address on the house and check the name of the street after the 911 guy asks his location.
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I knew she would let it in. Oh well, let the jury sort it out, that's what they're getting paid 12 bucks or so day for. I'm just concerned about the reasons the prosecution wants this stuff in, they're in an uphill battle and they're throwing everything at the wall etc. IMO.
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IMO that's very true. Dr. Dirk Greineder, Rabbi Neulander off the top of my head both sit in jail for murder.
The first overt change in his expression, while the jury was present was after he saw "The Hannity" show. He leaned back and forward and grinned, IMO, in satisfaction. IMO, I was surprised and it was, to me, Creepy. IMO, of course.
So, the judge has now ruled: It is all in. 10 minute recess...time to walk the dog.
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:seeya: Good Morning ScarlettScapetta and everyone! I just don't understand why this information is not prejudicial to RZ, but the prosecution couldn't bring in the stalking/slashing tires info about convicted murderer Jodi Arias? Anyone? Do we have a verified lawyer amongst us to help me understand? TIA
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How? That he wanted to be a cop??
So people that become cops just fall into it? They don't plan it? Or study for it? Or desire it?
Silly... Just silly..
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I was disappointed to see that George's best friend's book title included the phrase "the most hated man in America." In my opinion, that is far from the truth. I admire Zimmerman for looking out for his neighbors, following the instructions of the police dispatcher, and I believe he told the truth when asked about what happened.
In my opinion, George was very shaken by what happened, especially the fact that Trayvon died. He didn't know it at the time, imo, and didn't know it until someone told him later, and was then shocked and appalled, imo. He seems like a decent person.
I daresay that many people in America admire him, and George Zimmerman isn't even close to the most hated man in America! :moo:
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if the state is doing just fine, based on the critique of the TH's on TV, this would be the first time. and if the TH's are correct, ( that the state has ruined its case already), nothing it does from now on is gonna matter. you can't UN-RING the bell, as the lawyers learned to say in law school.
once you have created reasonable doubt in your own presentation, it isn't going away because you make a decent argument about peripheral matters, such as the what course the defendant studied a decade ago and trying ro prove the defendant wanted to be a law enforcement officer. OH thats a big win. He wanted to be a cop. Got ya.
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I'm not a verified lawyer, but Judge Alex was on HLN and he thought it should not be allowed. Said that it in itself probably wouldn't be reversible error, but in combination with other things that have been allowed, it could be.
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its aLL about the judge, IMO.
she is inclined in a certain direction, which affects her decisions.
its inconsequential. but a big win for the beleaguered SA.
imo.
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