Hand Writing Comparison; Breakthrough

TimeCop said:

Here, I blew it up, lets hope it does not distort, Again forgive typos and errors. Im a Dode.

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Much cleaner, don't get discouraged. You did ask for help getting you're work accepted. Keep on keepin on,you got a great mind.

Pel

Peliman said:

Much cleaner, don't get discouraged. You did ask for help getting you're work accepted. Keep on keepin on,you got a great mind.

Pel

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I did'nt mean to come off as discouraged. I am really frustrated I will admit, and really, I prefer the topics be discussed as if what matters is what is in the topic. I personally feel this is a breakthrough. WHY? Because I have written work from a person I am 100% positive is the Zodiac, or one of them. I believe my poi is the mastermiind of the original night stalker crimes. I also think this sorcerer known as the Zodiac is a person who I believe would exactly profile match my POI.
I think, beyond a doubgt that my POI handwriting samples are EXELLENT candidates for a handwriting annnalysis and comparison. I am digging through closets and old files to find any thing I have missed. I am glad I kept a folder on anything this guy gave me associating to a treasure hunt we were working on together. This gives me another advantage.
I must admit, it is hard using conventional wisdom to explain something to people that is extra ordinary. This really frustrates me , because I can not just come out and tell everyone why this guy is the Zodiac and why I am possitive. I DO NOT WANT TO IDENTIFY MYSELF to the world yet. I am not ready. This is going to make me the most well known public citizen sleuther in the world when I finish this game of his. That does not mean I was the smartest cookie in the Jar though, the best speller or the profewssional writer. I work with dial-up and a crappy 1999 computer. I am convinced that Activeintuitiveenergy has some really important stuff to coontribute. He is right about many things in this case that aids to make links to people of suspicious nature. Of course we can not just say a persons name off the top of our heads unless they are a named suspect. All I am trying to do with this thread is show the connection. I dont care if someone trys to steal my work. It is for the publics knowledage in captuing a criminal. I appologize if my post seems out there, I guess my attention was drawn away by the post and I became distracted from the subject at hand. Forgive me.
I appologize to all if I seem rude in any way, I am just a straight forward person and have alot of things to think about. Especiall this. I LET MY POI INTO MY HOME. He left luggage behind. I am cleaning up the mess. (meaning, he came , instigated me to play the game, then lost at his own game).
I am up against a sorcerer. God is my shield. The net is my medium and this is the place. Please, quoting me will only ad more distance to the thread between pics, and I really need these to be seen. If I knew how to tag my posts where I do not want discussuion, I would, but I do not know how.
Peace

TimeCop said:

I did'nt mean to come off as discouraged. I am really frustrated I will admit, and really, I prefer the topics be discussed as if what matters is what is in the topic. I personally feel this is a breakthrough. WHY? Because I have written work from a person I am 100% positive is the Zodiac, or one of them. I believe my poi is the mastermiind of the original night stalker crimes. I also think this sorcerer known as the Zodiac is a person who I believe would exactly profile match my POI.
I think, beyond a doubgt that my POI handwriting samples are EXELLENT candidates for a handwriting annnalysis and comparison. I am digging through closets and old files to find any thing I have missed. I am glad I kept a folder on anything this guy gave me associating to a treasure hunt we were working on together. This gives me another advantage.
I must admit, it is hard using conventional wisdom to explain something to people that is extra ordinary. This really frustrates me , because I can not just come out and tell everyone why this guy is the Zodiac and why I am possitive. I DO NOT WANT TO IDENTIFY MYSELF to the world yet. I am not ready. This is going to make me the most well known public citizen sleuther in the world when I finish this game of his. That does not mean I was the smartest cookie in the Jar though, the best speller or the profewssional writer. I work with dial-up and a crappy 1999 computer. I am convinced that Activeintuitiveenergy has some really important stuff to coontribute. He is right about many things in this case that aids to make links to people of suspicious nature. Of course we can not just say a persons name off the top of our heads unless they are a named suspect. All I am trying to do with this thread is show the connection. I dont care if someone trys to steal my work. It is for the publics knowledage in captuing a criminal. I appologize if my post seems out there, I guess my attention was drawn away by the post and I became distracted from the subject at hand. Forgive me.
I appologize to all if I seem rude in any way, I am just a straight forward person and have alot of things to think about. Especiall this. I LET MY POI INTO MY HOME. He left luggage behind. I am cleaning up the mess. (meaning, he came , instigated me to play the game, then lost at his own game).
I am up against a sorcerer. God is my shield. The net is my medium and this is the place. Please, quoting me will only ad more distance to the thread between pics, and I really need these to be seen. If I knew how to tag my posts where I do not want discussuion, I would, but I do not know how.
Peace

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BBM - The point of this forum is discussion. We have seen the pics you posted and gave you our opinions of them and our advice on next steps. I'm not really sure what else you are looking for.

A couple more samples of the eary 'E' and the switch up of the 'K', something I noticed both Zodiac and my POI have done in the same manner.
There are characteristics here that really are quite good in match. MHO.

TimeCop said:

Here, I blew it up, lets hope it does not distort, Again forgive typos and errors. Im a Dode.

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TIMECOP, interesting stuff. Personally I would need to see more, and see some unedited stuff, not just a few letters here and there compared to Zodiac's writing, but a full page or letter from your suspect.

Here are a couple problems I see in the side by side comparisons you did. Some of the samples that you list as 'ZODIAC WRITING' are NOT confirmed Zodiac writing. For example, you used part of a letter called 'the bleeding knife' letter, an unconfirmed Zodiac letter. I am very familiar with that letter, because I am the person that first published it after I obtained it from the FBI. Its an interesting letter, but definitely NOT confirmed to have been written by Zodiac. And in another sample, you used some of the Riverside desktop writing as a sample to compare against your suspect's. I personally think there is a good chance that Zodiac DID in fact write that, and so did writing expert Sherwood Morrill, but there are others who are not so sure.

morf13 said:

TIMECOP, interesting stuff. Personally I would need to see more, and see some unedited stuff, not just a few letters here and there compared to Zodiac's writing, but a full page or letter from your suspect.

Here are a couple problems I see in the side by side comparisons you did. Some of the samples that you list as 'ZODIAC WRITING' are NOT confirmed Zodiac writing. For example, you used part of a letter called 'the bleeding knife' letter, an unconfirmed Zodiac letter. I am very familiar with that letter, because I am the person that first published it after I obtained it from the FBI. Its an interesting letter, but definitely NOT confirmed to have been written by Zodiac. And in another sample, you used some of the Riverside desktop writing as a sample to compare against your suspect's. I personally think there is a good chance that Zodiac DID in fact write that, and so did writing expert Sherwood Morrill, but there are others who are not so sure.

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Thanks for taking the time to look at these for me. I really apreciate your two cents here.
Yes , you are correct, I only used side by side so far, here is why:
First I wanted to set the focus on the similarities. I especially find my POI's K,F,R O and small g of most importance, here is why:
If you (I know you have) read all of the Zodiac letters you will see that there are several times that Zodiac changed his writing style. This is the first thing I noticed when I focused on just the Zodiac letters and none of the other things. I mean, I focused just on the letters. He has a way. and to me it appears as natural, of changing between types of character shapes and styles. Several of the letters even display change within the same letter, which often can mean that the writing was done over a period of time and that the writer had changed somehow( maybe took nap then returned to writing, or even medication). One of the letters that I reallyy doubted at first to be his for example is the '81' letter. I have since been chasing something that came along with that one, and I will discuss that later. But in reality, it would be, in MHO, hard really to not see all of the similar type letters in all of his works. Sometimes, it is only a few of those characters which even tie the letters together, so I know you understand that this is the reason most were lumped together as being his.
I did use Bleeding knife because of the 'F' especially, one area I think can expose the likelyhood that this should be examined by professionals, the goal I am aiming at here.
One of the reasons I was even working this area, is because my POI just happened to leave samples of his writing, in relation to code breaking,etc in a treasure huntwe were working(how we became friends). The hunt(s) I should say were basic armchair hunts, you probably know of one called TISOTGH and the other WLOG. While researching these(hiis TISOTGH was an expired hunt that he felt was a rigged hunt,this having what he called: Alternate location), I happened to throw a bunch of our notes together. This is one of the problems I have:
Many people display the same type of handwrittiing, as we all sit in a class room and learn the basics at a young age. Even some of his writing, especially when we were working together is hard to determine if it is his or mine . Yes, even I display some of the habits he does, but none of my writing displays the (identity) that those mentioned characters above do. Those characters are obvious in relation if you see how the experts tied the works together.
Long story short:
I would display larger shots of the writting, but face the problem of exposing my identity and his on the forum (not allowed) and so I have stuck to what I could do. Not to mention, I only have a few samples so far that I could find, but I did find some exciting new stuff I will share with you if you are interested. I had tossed alot away before I was on to him. I would not have even looked at any of this had my poi not "
Said:1) I am sick of living ,unwilling to die (Zodiac wrote this on the desk top)
2)turned out to have gone to school in a city where one of the letters came from (something I found as I began to dig)
3)looks exactly like the sketch(especially the new age progressed sketch matches exact) also something i discovered as I began to unravel his clues he has been giving me
4)I found his full name in runes on the excorcist letter
his name overlays the halloween card (key) stick figure
5)his name is the first crime scenes when setting N to O on the alphabet wheel in relation to marks on the wheel and the map (cant post this on forum)
6)The shape of diablo is his name in Tent runes and matched with staveless runes
7)the I am code says "(poi's first name)AM NAME" when doing two simple maneuvers that are suggested by the aries sybol (air 'E's) and using that symbol as none eles but an E

Symbols in norse tie my POI to this and the story of the Vallhalla ' Hall of the slain' and Ragnarok of Norse mythology, as well to El diablo,666,harmony of the soul to divinity(music values) etc. Its a deeper connection that I have shown to date
I hope you have a chance to read all the threads. Right now I am focusing on tying the POI to the Victims and so far I am off to a good start there, it is obvious as the site won't allow my new thread to post because it reveals to much about a victim an my POIS location. I do have more samples, I found where he posted the numeric values and the alphabet twice and I will post those soon (I still get no reply from law, but have a date I will keep with the locals soon, a date I chose where they will have it all explained to them).
None the less, his writing surely has some visible proof of change, but like I mention, those specific character above are the types that would have retained similarity if indeed he wrote those letters, so I focused there. Thanks for your opinion, it is valued and appreciated greatly. I am going to have to take this up locally, I am just researching local area crimes to see if maybe I can get him another way, as well as looking for anything that can be used further for samples. I got the the vibe he still kills, my intuition says he never stopped.
Hopefully what matters most is that my POI has his DNA compared to some of the unsolved California crimes, such as Arlis Perry church murder. I feel that crime was the smoking Gun and I just feel he trips there to end his game.

TimeCop - I do agree with you and think you are on to something. Has anyone ever contacted you back from the police department? When I had asked you that a few weeks ago no one had called you back yet. I think you are on the right track and you are one sharp cookie! I believe in you and am willing to help you if you need my help.

JenniferTx said:

TimeCop - I do agree with you and think you are on to something. Has anyone ever contacted you back from the police department? When I had asked you that a few weeks ago no one had called you back yet. I think you are on the right track and you are one sharp cookie! I believe in you and am willing to help you if you need my help.

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Thanks Jennifer. I am in desperate need of a handwriting specialist who will look at approximately 5 or 6 sample works I have, the actual full samples,not pieces.(its all I got ). Helping me find someone like this who will volunteer the help would be excellent. I am so blogged down at the moment
I could also use an expert who can read runes, especially tent runes and Staveless runes. Someone from a college, a professor, anyone with some backing to give me some support to my claim, to make it more valid.
I appreciate your support.

Mind you, this is 2010 writing samples,maybe as late as mid 2011, Not sure of exact dates, I have mild CRS. I am guessing betwen August 2010 and July 2011 when I was doing so research on codes with my POI. The circled letters are his circles, notice how they really match the Zodiac 'O's"? The LOOK MOM in large letters on the first sample is not his writing.

TimeCop said:

Thanks Jennifer. I am in desperate need of a handwriting specialist who will look at approximately 5 or 6 sample works I have, the actual full samples,not pieces.(its all I got ). Helping me find someone like this who will volunteer the help would be excellent. I am so blogged down at the moment
I could also use an expert who can read runes, especially tent runes and Staveless runes. Someone from a college, a professor, anyone with some backing to give me some support to my claim, to make it more valid.
I appreciate your support.

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BBM - Hey Timecop, I just Googled "hire a handwriting expert" and "handwriting analysis" and came up with several companies/ organizations that are available. I'm not posting the links, not sure if it's allowed and I can't really testify to their legitimacy but they are out there. You might just do a little calling or emailing around and see if any of them can help you. Not sure if you can find someone to volunteer or donate their work but it's worth looking into.

Good luck!

I can not post any new posts without moderator approval, and have not been informed why. Looks like my work is done here for real. Dang.

The mods will tell you why if you ask one of them. Perhaps you need to get verified in some way. Good luck to you!

Your POI's number 2 is different from Zodiac's. Zodiac writes his number 2 just like the letter Z,he does not use a curl at the top where as your guy does. Other letters look more similar. More samples needed. You need a professional questioned documents examiner, and you need writing samples from Zodiac that are 100% authenticated as being written by Zodiac(not possibly written by zodiac)to compare to your POI

Is this person of interest initials the same on the desktop poetry? :shush::menorah:

Also it seems your POI does two stroke "K" 's, while Zodiac mostly did 3 stroke "K" 's. I seem some matches, some mismatches. I have looked at dozens of POI's handwriting samples over the years, there are often lots of matches with some mismatches. You are welcome to post more at Morf's site, at which you are a member, www.zodiackillersite.forummotion.com , and we can discuss it more.

AKWILKS said:

Also it seems your POI does two stroke "K" 's, while Zodiac mostly did 3 stroke "K" 's. I seem some matches, some mismatches. I have looked at dozens of POI's handwriting samples over the years, there are often lots of matches with some mismatches. You are welcome to post more at Morf's site, at which you are a member, www.zodiackillersite.forummotion.com , and we can discuss it more.

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The 'E' ,the slant of the 'E', the bow in mid bar of 'E' and overall, that uplifted slant. I have seen alot of samples too lately, still nothing close to it.

I know for fact that Zodiac writing changes up, and I know my POI does the same thing throughout his works. I am confident, that Zodiac displays, several times, a changeup in his writing, and several times within the same letters. Of course, 40 years has passed as well.
Maybe the KNOWN ZODIAC letters are not all the Zodiac materials worth matching to. Maybe other letters as well. Heres a particular connection I think to the suspected Zodiac letter of 1981 that predates the Keddie Murders by 13 days.
This particular L is important in KILL of the 81 letter and my POI.

As far as the K is concerned, I can show an exact K changed up both in my poi and zodiac works on several occasions. I will post some examples soon.

yes, Zodiac changed up his K's and here, my POI and Zodiac do it exact.
Look at this Bates Had To Die 'E'. Look at the angles of the 'E'

I hope you got some response on the handwriting. I see many similarities in the writing styles, including but not limited to, either an attempt to change the writing style and/or pressure or a difference in writing style depending on how fast or how long the person has been writing. I would need to see an entire letter to be sure. (my family's writing changes slant, formation and connection of letters and even starts and stops for letters depending on the fatigue level of the hand, the curse of a person with dysgraphia)

I'm afraid don't know which letters are which, and it would be helpful to see them listed as "confirmed" Zodiac and "suspected" Zodiac.

I see similarities as well, but the Zodiac has a forward slant to his writing that I don't see in the POI'S. But many of the letters do appear to be similar.