OtherEyes
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Can I ask : what weird neighbor was out looking for Isabel ? TIA
NMCD PDF 3 page 17
Can I ask : what weird neighbor was out looking for Isabel ? TIA
LE is not going to release documents that are the core part of their case so far. They would want to retain that information and preserve it for later prosecution. The documents they've released show they've done a lot of work and it gives the public lots to chew on and mull over, but the core of the case, when and if it eventually goes to litigation, won't be these particular documents.
Of course LE knows more than they are saying and knows more than the sleuthiest sleuthers who ever sleuthed. They are running the investigation...they have access to everything and everyone. The documents may represent 3% to 5% of all that's been generated by the investigation.
LE is not going to tell the public the inner details of their investigation. There may be hints and some general indicators, but until the case is litigated or unless there's a leak or a news conference, we the public will not be privy to that inner core info.
NMCD PDF 3 page 17
I guess I'm surprised when people are surprised they aren't told the inner parts of criminal investigations. When has LE ever released all the information during their investigation, if they didn't have to?
Can't recall a single time that LE has told the public before a case is litigated, laid it all out and said, "Here's everything we have. Here are all the documents, here's all the evidence, here's a list of all the people we suspect, etc." (*not counting FL Sunshine Laws).
It doesn't happen in other cases and it's not going to happen in the Isa case either. If there's something important, LE is not going to disclose it until or unless they need to.
ITA. Although,if LE does allow the contents of the search warrants to be released, there might be a lot to be learned. The investigation would only be apparent at trial...if that ever happens...MOO
Even with that, if search warrants are unsealed, the public will learn what LE was looking for, and they may get a good idea of what was seized, but as for the results of what was seized, i.e the forensic examination, lab test results, etc., that will not be disclosed until the case is litigated in court.
I've followed cases where LE took lots of items to have them examined and tested and most of the items ended up having no evidential value, which the public only discovered during the trial. Just because an item is seized doesn't mean it will have evidence on it.
We, the public, will not know the details of the case until a trial. That's just how it is.
ITA. Although,if LE does allow the contents of the search warrants to be released, there might be a lot to be learned. The investigation would only be apparent at trial...if that ever happens...MOO
TY, but I cannot open the links...
Even with that, if search warrants are unsealed, the public will learn what LE was looking for, and they may get a good idea of what was seized, but as for the results of what was seized, i.e the forensic examination, lab test results, etc., that will not be disclosed until the case is litigated in court.
I've followed cases where LE took lots of items to have them examined and tested and most of the items ended up having no evidential value, which the public only discovered during the trial. Just because an item is seized doesn't mean it will have evidence on it.
We, the public, will not know the details of the case until a trial. That's just how it is.
I was a little dismayed hen LE said "there's what we know,and there's what we can prove in court " paraphrasing,but that's the gist...
I agree and have a few thoughts (theories) about this that include information gleaned from the recently released LE docs (I have not painstakingly researched all docs as many here have gratefully done). Specifically, many have expressed interest in "maglighting" guy NMc who lives with his gf close to the Celis home. It is also reported by a relative of JM that JM resided with the SC/RC family for approximately 6 months. If NMc is approximately 35, not too big a difference in age exists between JM and NMc. I wonder if while living as neighbors, the two men forged an acquaintance or friendship. Could there be some level of collaboration between the two?
With that said, IMO it's more likely NMc is a well intentioned, possibly, too eager guy who took it upon himself to search tunnels for a missing child. Living in such close proximity to the Celis', it is possible NMc learned of Isabel being missing when her family initially searched for her in the neighborhood.
The use of two vehicles (the Jetta and the other, was it a hatchback?) may be attributed to something as simple as where each car was parked at his home and in which car it was easiest to leave. LE watched him when he returned to the Jetta, possibly returning home. Maybe gf was waiting with breakfast prepared, something they agreed upon when he left their home. Once engaged with LE, he may have remembered he was due home hence, his sudden exit. Also, LE reported the gf was headed to work which could explain NMc needing to return the Jetta to gf. Later, when NMc was noted by LE to be in the other vehicle, he was then in his own car.
JM on the other hand, is glaringly absent from the LE reports. Especially when one considers the detail provided about other family members, their cell phone screen shot photos and the search warrant served on their truck.There has been speculation here that the reported December visit by CPS to the Celis' home might somehow be linked to JM's stay with the Celis family. There are also the rumors of JM's income being associated with illegal activities, his maybe owing money to the "wrong" people and the possibility of consequences exerted against JM for illegal involvement.
I wonder if speculation of a retaliation aspect to Isabel being taken from her home is one in which JM exerts retaliation against SC. The reported "hoax" phone call saying SC borrowed $170K from a physician employer might be a misrepresentation or half-truth put out there by JM to assure criminal acquaintances he could pay his debt. JM might be very angry with this family not coming through for him.
All this is only my opinion.
I agree and have a few thoughts (theories) about this that include information gleaned from the recently released LE docs (I have not painstakingly researched all docs as many here have gratefully done). Specifically, many have expressed interest in "maglighting" guy NMc who lives with his gf close to the Celis home. It is also reported by a relative of JM that JM resided with the SC/RC family for approximately 6 months. If NMc is approximately 35, not too big a difference in age exists between JM and NMc. I wonder if while living as neighbors, the two men forged an acquaintance or friendship. Could there be some level of collaboration between the two?
With that said, IMO it's more likely NMc is a well intentioned, possibly, too eager guy who took it upon himself to search tunnels for a missing child. Living in such close proximity to the Celis', it is possible NMc learned of Isabel being missing when her family initially searched for her in the neighborhood.
The use of two vehicles (the Jetta and the other, was it a hatchback?) may be attributed to something as simple as where each car was parked at his home and in which car it was easiest to leave. LE watched him when he returned to the Jetta, possibly returning home. Maybe gf was waiting with breakfast prepared, something they agreed upon when he left their home. Once engaged with LE, he may have remembered he was due home hence, his sudden exit. Also, LE reported the gf was headed to work which could explain NMc needing to return the Jetta to gf. Later, when NMc was noted by LE to be in the other vehicle, he was then in his own car.
JM on the other hand, is glaringly absent from the LE reports. Especially when one considers the detail provided about other family members, their cell phone screen shot photos and the search warrant served on their truck.There has been speculation here that the reported December visit by CPS to the Celis' home might somehow be linked to JM's stay with the Celis family. There are also the rumors of JM's income being associated with illegal activities, his maybe owing money to the "wrong" people and the possibility of consequences exerted against JM for illegal involvement.
I wonder if speculation of a retaliation aspect to Isabel being taken from her home is one in which JM exerts retaliation against SC. The reported "hoax" phone call saying SC borrowed $170K from a physician employer might be a misrepresentation or half-truth put out there by JM to assure criminal acquaintances he could pay his debt. JM might be very angry with this family not coming through for him.
All this is only my opinion.
Good stuff.
Danielle Van Dam's case gave us "conversating" in the trial.
"We were going through the tunnels, maglighting and conversating, but when LE showed up, we skedaddled out pretty quick to get a Grand Slam at Denny's, because we didn't want to be thrown in the pokey."
Good stuff.
Danielle Van Dam's case gave us "conversating" in the trial.
"We were going through the tunnels, maglighting and conversating, but when LE showed up, we skedaddled out pretty quick to get a Grand Slam at Denny's, because we didn't want to be thrown in the pokey."
I am hoping they keep all the search warrant stuff to themselves. While I want to know what is in them I also feel that the best way to get justice for Isa in the end is keeping them sealed. If they open them to the public and this truly is an abduction case then it will only give the real criminal a chance to get rid of certain things that s/he knows the police are looking for.
I am hoping they keep all the search warrant stuff to themselves. While I want to know what is in them I also feel that the best way to get justice for Isa in the end is keeping them sealed. If they open them to the public and this truly is an abduction case then it will only give the real criminal a chance to get rid of certain things that s/he knows the police are looking for.