Trial Thread 4/25/2012

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otto said:
The quote that was included in the original post (from the article) was not included in my post, but I looked at the times and that's what I got from the quote from the first quote ...

"Corroborating Rafferty Blackberry Evidence: On April 8, 2009, between 2:54 PM and 4:18 PM, there is no activity on Rafferty's Blackberry, except an ongoing data call. At 3:25 PM the school bell rings, a car of interest drives up street. At 3:48 pm Rafferty gets a voice mail message. Call unanswered. There is no activity on Rafferty's phone for 1 hr 24 min until a data call is made in Guelph at 4:18 PM. Between 5:05 and 7:46 PM Rafferty's phone is not used (2 HRS, 41 minutes). Spitzig sends 4 pins that are not received. At 7:46 PM , Rafferty's Blackberry receives Spitzig's pins. At 7:47 PM a voice call is made that bounces off the MT Forest cell tower, very close to Victoria's murder scene. At 8:05 pm, Rafferty's home is called, and bounces off another tower heading away from Victoria's murder scene. Rafferty Blackberry Evidence Map"
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That is actually the poster's signature line Otto. You must have read it as part of the post. Which explains the confusion.

MOO
 
The videos released today, are further evidence of corroborating TLM's testimony, and very damning evidence, IMO.

The Jury can see it with their own eyes.

The Crown's case is rock solid with evidence.

JMO


Acting like young lovers


By RANDY RICHMOND, The London Free Press
Last Updated: April 25, 2012 10:16pm

In about a six-minute clip shown to court, Rafferty looks like he is showing off his biceps, picks her up and tries to teach her to lift him up.

He rolls up a magazine and pretends it's a telescope to view her. Laughing, she knocks it away.

In her testimony, McClintic described her last visit with Rafferty at Genest. She told him again she'd take the fall.

"I remember touching his face and he looked up and almost laughed at me and said, 'You'll do anything for a little bit of love, eh,' " she testified.
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Ardy said:
I agree that MR didn't care for her much.

The video in detention shows her appear to be asking for a hug, then she gets up and goes towards him. He does get up and give her a hug.......but it wasn't his idea.

Then when he is leaving and walking out, she goes up to him and walks backwards, in the "dance like" scene some have said. I think he just wanted to leave and was placating her.

All he wanted from her was her drug connections and maybe a little nookie now and then...........that's it.

As to the manipulation part.........I don't think he is nearly bright enough.

JMO.............
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All he wanted from her at that point was for her to keep her mouth shut about what they had done. So he continued to pretend that he was her boyfriend and that he cared about her and promised that he would take care of her mother for her while she was in there.

He already had her drug contacts...they were all in his phone and he obviously had been there many times before. He didn't need her for those anymore.

And he had more nookie than most men can handle.

So yeah...he was placating her so she wouldn't rat them both out.

MOO
 
Alison said:
It is not relevant to the case how this woman provided for her family. She is not on trial. However babybonus (CTB) is aprox $700 per child, so with 4 children that is $2800 per month. Plus an extra $100 per child for daycare expenses so that is an extra $400 per month. If she was on social assitance then she would recieve approx another $2500 per month. So she had about $5700/month to live off of. Was she living in subsidized housing? That factors in as well. So it is quite plausable that she did give him all her money.
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Except that if she earned $17000 or more in 6 months, she wouldn't qualify for social assistance.

JMO...........
 
maxfactor said:
I am also shocked that you would say that. I admire Christie Blatchford and her satirical writing style. She has followed this case from day one and I'm sure she knows a lot more than we do.She calls em like she sees em and I think it's out of line to criticize her for her looks. And I think if you put on your sleuth hat you will see she already has a man and is probably not looking for another. MOO
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IMO CB is the Cdn equivalent of USA NG and I detest her style of shock reporting...it is rag mag material and maybe it sells papers but I don't regret anything I have posted about her or her type of reporting and I stick by it.. so if it shocked anyone.. sorry... but the case that we are all posting about is much more shocking IMO and with that I will now move on as I feel that is now old hat! JMO
 
This is what I got from the video.

1) He was very agitated in the first video when waiting at the door
2) He looked straight at the cameras 3 or 4 times. He was aware they were there.
3) TLM looks like she really cares for him a lot. I will explain after.
4) MTR looks uninterested in her other than the fact he looks as though he is there to pretend like he cares but is making sure she follows through with what they talked about before
5) They both seem too relaxed for killing a child just over a month.
6) back to business as soon as he walks out the door in the first video
7) she waits there in the second video maybe hoping he will wave to her but he doesnt even look back at her at all.

I grew up in Toronto and went to a private school. I was nieve, and didnt have any friends when I moved to Mississauga. I didnt fit in and I became a very angry teenager.

Throughout high school the same thing, I was pretty popular but more because I wanted people to be afraid of me so they wouldnt bully me.

If a guy told me the right things I was one of those people that did sleep with someone on the first date, because I didnt feel like I could say no. I was always looking for that person that was going to treat me the way I should be treated however I was going about it all the wrong ways. I didnt have a father figure in my life that actually told me how I should be treated so I was always looking for love in a man. BARF now that i think about how I was.

I was like, aggressive, words that came out of my mouth was beyond foul, I guess you could have called me a *advertiser censored* if you really knew, but deep inside I really wasnt that person. I was abused by my father physically and emotionally and I felt that the way I was being treated by guys was fine because that is all I saw with my mom and dad.

I think back on those days and think of the anger that I had. I used to put a knife under my pillow because I did want to kill my dad. I hated him that much but the reason I didnt was because my mother would be sad and I couldnt do anything to hurt her.

I was raised in a very strict militant christian home as well were you didnt have an opinion and you were just not good enough.

I was raped by my own boyfriend and I only knew abusive relationships.

I am far from that person now thanks to tons of therapy and I learned to love myself.

I may have thought those things but I could never ever have gone through with it. That is why I can see how MTR manipulated TLM. I get that she is F@@% up but he was 10 yrs older than her he knew what to say to her to get her to do what he wanted to do.

I really think he is the big mastermind after 3 yrs of dedicating my life to this case and after everything I have heard. He is seriously the bad seed he has just never been caught. Either people have turned a blind eye or they have dug him out of jams in the past.

I dont feel sorry for TLM I understand her. I see why she is who she is just not why she would kill an innocent girl. This is part of her testimony I just dont understand nor am I 100% sure I buy the store she told but like I said if I believe the rest of her story with all the evidence that has added up I have to believe she is telling the truth about the murder.

I worry and the reason I am still here is because I dont want this guy to get off because he is far from innocent.

Anyways I had a glass of wine, no one on here really knows me so it cant be used against me LOL...
 
Alison said:
It is not relevant to the case how this woman provided for her family. She is not on trial. However babybonus (CTB) is aprox $700 per child, so with 4 children that is $2800 per month. Plus an extra $100 per child for daycare expenses so that is an extra $400 per month. If she was on social assitance then she would recieve approx another $2500 per month. So she had about $5700/month to live off of. Was she living in subsidized housing? That factors in as well. So it is quite plausable that she did give him all her money.
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Say whaaaaaaaaat? Child tax is $700 per child per month? Since when, I am obviously missing out on something as I get nowhere near that amount *confused*
 
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you know I don't have much regard for CM and her lifestyle but I feel if this woman is dying of Cancer that maybe she should be left alone.. JMO I really don't think she could add much more to the crowns story as her lifestyle and what she was doing has been printed for all the world to see... JMO so why not let her go with some dignity...JMO
 
Jezbel said:
Say whaaaaaaaaat? Child tax is $700 per child per month? Since when, I am obviously missing out on something as I get nowhere near that amount *confused*
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I dont think its that much. When I was on maternity leave I was getting $245 for my daughter. There is not way its $700 per child. IMO
 
Jezbel said:
Say whaaaaaaaaat? Child tax is $700 per child per month? Since when, I am obviously missing out on something as I get nowhere near that amount *confused*
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Neither do I.

I just used the gov't CTB calculator and put in 4 children under 18 with a base income of 7000.00 (totally random) and it says you would get $1100./month. I guess it depends on your last income tax filing and the number of kids you have.
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/bnfts/clcltr/cctb_clcltr-eng.html
 
crazyladi said:
This is what I got from the video.

1) He was very agitated in the first video when waiting at the door
2) He looked straight at the cameras 3 or 4 times. He was aware they were there.
3) TLM looks like she really cares for him a lot. I will explain after.
4) MTR looks uninterested in her other than the fact he looks as though he is there to pretend like he cares but is making sure she follows through with what they talked about before
5) They both seem too relaxed for killing a child just over a month.
6) back to business as soon as he walks out the door in the first video
7) she waits there in the second video maybe hoping he will wave to her but he doesnt even look back at her at all.

I grew up in Toronto and went to a private school. I was nieve, and didnt have any friends when I moved to Mississauga. I didnt fit in and I became a very angry teenager.

Throughout high school the same thing, I was pretty popular but more because I wanted people to be afraid of me so they wouldnt bully me.

If a guy told me the right things I was one of those people that did sleep with someone on the first date, because I didnt feel like I could say no. I was always looking for that person that was going to treat me the way I should be treated however I was going about it all the wrong ways. I didnt have a father figure in my life that actually told me how I should be treated so I was always looking for love in a man. BARF now that i think about how I was.

I was like, aggressive, words that came out of my mouth was beyond foul, I guess you could have called me a *advertiser censored* if you really knew, but deep inside I really wasnt that person. I was abused by my father physically and emotionally and I felt that the way I was being treated by guys was fine because that is all I saw with my mom and dad.

I think back on those days and think of the anger that I had. I used to put a knife under my pillow because I did want to kill my dad. I hated him that much but the reason I didnt was because my mother would be sad and I couldnt do anything to hurt her.

I was raised in a very strict militant christian home as well were you didnt have an opinion and you were just not good enough.

I was raped by my own boyfriend and I only knew abusive relationships.

I am far from that person now thanks to tons of therapy and I learned to love myself.

I may have thought those things but I could never ever have gone through with it. That is why I can see how MTR manipulated TLM. I get that she is F@@% up but he was 10 yrs older than her he knew what to say to her to get her to do what he wanted to do.

I really think he is the big mastermind after 3 yrs of dedicating my life to this case and after everything I have heard. He is seriously the bad seed he has just never been caught. Either people have turned a blind eye or they have dug him out of jams in the past.

I dont feel sorry for TLM I understand her. I see why she is who she is just not why she would kill an innocent girl. This is part of her testimony I just dont understand nor am I 100% sure I buy the store she told but like I said if I believe the rest of her story with all the evidence that has added up I have to believe she is telling the truth about the murder.

I worry and the reason I am still here is because I dont want this guy to get off because he is far from innocent.

Anyways I had a glass of wine, no one on here really knows me so it cant be used against me LOL...
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Wow CL, thank you so much for sharing your story, that must have been very hard growing up and am so glad you have been able to move onwards and upwards and are in a good place :)

I have always thought that TLM put on a tough girl act but deep down was lonely and wanted to feel loved, cared for and wanted. I think I posted that in the weekend thread, when I was talking about the when I went to court for her first day of testimony.
 
otto said:
so ...

2:54 PM: activity on MR phone stopped
4:18 PM: phone turned on
5:05 PM: activity on MR phone stopped
7:48 PM: phone turned on

It looks like the assualt and murder lasted 2 hours and 43 minutes.
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Otto I think the poster was referring to the two people in court today who were caught taking pictures..one had left his phone in his auto with a picture on it taken from inside the court room which is a no no and could cause a mistrial..It looks like he took the picture at another time...The other person was caught red handed with his phone and picture inside the court.. JMO
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It would be interesting if CM testified....especially what the phone call was about, just after the pic/video of the woman in the white coat was released.
 
I personally wouldn't bank on CM testifying; then again, who knows! Even if she did, the opposing side would be able to undermine her credibility pretty easily, i think.
 
Alison said:
It is not relevant to the case how this woman provided for her family. She is not on trial. However babybonus (CTB) is aprox $700 per child, so with 4 children that is $2800 per month. Plus an extra $100 per child for daycare expenses so that is an extra $400 per month. If she was on social assitance then she would recieve approx another $2500 per month. So she had about $5700/month to live off of. Was she living in subsidized housing? That factors in as well. So it is quite plausable that she did give him all her money.
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All I get for CTB is $376/month, plus the extra $100 to help with child care expenses (that ends this year due to my child's age).
Also, I get less than $500 from OW each month.
And then I see so many women with multiple children, all in the same situation I am in, with iPhones (nevermind the cost of the phone itself, which could be a gift... no way I could afford the plan! My regular non-smartphone prepaid cell has been without time on it for so long due to not being able to afford it that I have lost my number!), fancy clothes (FINALLY just got a pair of pants with no hole in the crotch! YAY! For $20 at Walmart. Not very stylish, but practical), nails done, CARS... way too many people abusing the system. Are they all escorts, I wonder? I am constantly baffled at how these women can afford anything, since I can't.
My point is, IF she gave him ALL the money, she wouldn't be very well off. She likely didn't. MOO

JMO.
 
Ardy said:
Except that if she earned $17000 or more in 6 months, she wouldn't qualify for social assistance.

JMO...........
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I betting that 17K was earned under the table JMO
 
brighidin said:
Neither do I.

I just used the gov't CTB calculator and put in 4 children under 18 with a base income of 7000.00 (totally random) and it says you would get $1100./month. I guess it depends on your last income tax filing and the number of kids you have.
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/bnfts/clcltr/cctb_clcltr-eng.html
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$1100 divided by 4 is $275 so I guess that could be the case. Still doesn't sound quite right to me, me and my other half didn't make $70,000 between is last year and don't get that much. Ima find me that link to the calculator, maybe I should be getting more (one can only hope)
Totally o/t but it kills me they give $100 per month towards daycare, full time daycare is more than my mortgage payment *sigh* rant over
 
matou said:
But nothing can touch, for sheer horror, the video of the two of them hugging and being playful and flirty as if to say, What little girl? Is there a little girl missing?

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...tic-rafferty-jail-visit-after-stafford-death/
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....It is so darn hard to put into words how I feel after watching those 2 visits by MR to TLM ...It is UNBELIEVEABLE seeing them after knowing what has been commited to OUR Angel Tori ....I have tears in my eyes ....absolutely Heart breaking ......OMG..these 2 people had just COMMITED a Horrendous VOLITE CRIME to an 8 year old ....I do not think I will be ever beable to erase their behaviour on that video from my MIND...IMO ...MR. Defense how can you dare to say that MR was horrified ...he certainly does not look that way in their visit...OMg....and than to watch POOR Tori's dad talk about what he had witnessed in that VIDEo....IMO I think he had a tremendous amount of courage ...so very horrific this whole story ....I just feel shocked and horrified is my personal opinion ...thank you for listening as I know many have you as we have been thru 3 years of horror is all I can say at the moment...and I am NOT in that court room ...thanks again to my co sleuthers as I know many of you care deeply as I do...thanks again ...Robynhood...terribly upset...Please let us see Justice for Tori is all I can say...ty...again..robynhood...wishing Tori 's family a lot of strength as they re live their terrible horror...RIP little angel ..Tori!...I feel so very sad to see TLM and MR act in this manner on that raw video ...UNBELEVEABLE their behaviour ...just lost for words...
 
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