BSL - Evidentiary Hearing, Friday, Aug 17, 2012, 10:00 A.M.

jarabie · Aug 17, 2012

FOTOBUG said:
I was under the impression it was going to be his sister yo testify but cannot say where i read that. Anybody else under that impression or was that just rumor ?

I thought I read it was an inmate that Brandon has served time with.

bessie · Aug 17, 2012

jarabie said:
I don't know what he/she meant. I know what you and others are telling me he/she meant. I admit to being sensitive concerning this event. I'm still shocked at finding out it was one of our own who committed these crimes.

Your empathy for Cynthia is consoling to some, I'm sure. I would hope that no other mothers have to feel like Micky, Lisa, and Brandon's mothers felt. Unfortunately, I don't think this is the end.

Cynthia does need support. His entire family does. And even though Micky's parents received support from the local and national community, I'm sure her pain is overwhelming. It's something she will have to live with the rest of her life.

I understand. My heart aches for all of the families. Nothing can be worse than burying your child, except knowing she suffered before she died and you could not help her. Without question, as a mother I believe that is the ultimate insult to humanity.

The mother who knows her child delivered that injury suffers, too. Usually in quiet isolation, hiding her shame behind closed doors, and her sorrow for the fate her own child has laid out for herself. Few will rally to that mother's side, and rarely is there a public display of support. I can only imagine what an awful, lonely place it is to be. Please know that many of us do feel great compassion for Brandon's mom and those who love him.

ktgirl · Aug 17, 2012

Months ago (before the arrest) I bought a few find Mickey yard signs from Party Time and put a few of them up around Lafayette, I-10 at the Lafayette side of the basin bridge, and WB. I wanted the perp to have drive by them (WB was in case he returned there; I wanted the perp to have to look at the signs wherever he went).

One sign I put up in Lafayette was on the corner Dean & Coliseum in the start of the field.
I had always felt she probably was abducted somewhere around the fields because it's so desolate there (especially at 2am). I am kind of haunted by the fact that I put up her missing sign basically right where she was taken.

Coullion · Aug 17, 2012

A popular local "radio personality" made a FB post earlier of his opinion of the late night bike ride. Many people, including a mother whose home was broken into and whose daughter was assaulted by BSL commented. An interesting read, but I'm not sure of the rules and about posting links.

justwannahelp · Aug 17, 2012

Donamena said:
I think I said this before, but I was so shaken by the experience that I never want to enter a courtroom again, for any reason. I don't know what I expected, but when he came out, 5 rows away from me.....contempt for this weasel, this squirrel, this piece of filth. Wearing crocs, no less. Hs only responses were 'ah, yes, sir'..nausea, I hated hearing that voice. Everything, 'ah, yes' a deep, monotonous voice, a vacant affect..he had no spring in his step when he walked in, as he did outside, staring straight ahead, carrying rolled legal size papers. There was something so evil, yet so banal about him.

When the DA read the part about the shooting of Mickey her mother let out an anguished sob, accompanied by the gasps of several women & men. I don't know who was prepared for that, but I wasn't. If I felt drained, I can't ever begin to imagine...

Lisa's family was there as well. Her brother, clearly distraught..how could you not be when the DA reads out the days leading to your sister's death, & how she died.

But the oddest thing I saw was a young, petite, blond deputy who had to criss-cross the courtroom a few times. He didn't even keep his £%¥#&@ head up. He stood hunched over, head to the side, swaying every now & then. I doubt that he saw her.

The thing about his phoning the escort service, traveling south-bound on inside lane of University, seeing Mickey, making a swerve to right to track her. I keep stopping & staring at a blinking cursor b/c one word is going in front of the other slowly. That as such a long time, the hour+ to sit though that. No one was allowed to leave once in. The deputy sitting next to me inadvertently turned his phone on. Thankfully before the filth was brought in. It was jarring to hear music, even for a second,when he quickly turned it off & sat on it.

Incredible..
And, no, I don't for a minute believe this is his first rodeo.

Donamena, do you think you would have sensed evil from him had you encountered him elsewhere or is it just because you knew what he had done?

a few who knew him have said that something was "off" or didn't "sit right" about him, but I wonder if I could have sensed the evil within him.

jarabie · Aug 17, 2012

HouDat said:
I've been pondering the larger question along these lines for the last couple of hours now.

Will LE disclose what evidence they had? The items they confiscated from his home (as suggested above)? The footage from TDA? The transcripts of witness interviews? Phone records? GPS records? The contents of his cellphone? The details of how he got from the site of the burning truck back to where he was staying in the Houston area? And so on.

Very interesting questions. I've wondered the same thing. There has been so many rumors, from souvenirs of the victims to video of some of the attacks. I even heard "48 hours" was in town at some point.

JurysOut · Aug 17, 2012

Donamena said:
He was nothing special. He came in, looked straight ahead at the young criminal court clerks in front of me, & then turned. He never turned towards Mickey or Lisa's families. I didn't realize I was on the side he & his attorneys would sit. I just wanted a better vantage point.
I don't know how to measure evil. I once had the distinct displeasure of sitting across a desk from the leader of a Guatemalan death squad. Flat affect. Cold eyes. Nothing remarkable. But a seething undercurrent of evil. I didn't find out what this man was till the next day. Then I ran looking for the idiot who made me talk to him.

As I said before, I don't know what I expected seeing BSL in the flesh. I didn't realize how little & pathetic he was. But that's in a courtroom full of hostile people. He diminished. He's only strong when he's around a woman he thinks he can control.

Thank you, Mickey, mighty you certainly were, ever.

Whatever I say will sound weird, but this is a weird circumstance.

I'm so glad you went, Doña!

It broke my heart - again - to read what I read today.

But today Mickey humbled me.

The word FIERCE should be hung in the rafters like a retired champion's jersey.

She soars.

jarabie · Aug 17, 2012

bessie said:
I understand. My heart aches for all of the families. Nothing can be worse than burying your child, except knowing she suffered before she died and you could not help her. Without question, as a mother I believe that is the ultimate insult to humanity.

The mother who knows her child delivered that injury suffers, too. Usually in quiet isolation, hiding her shame behind closed doors, and her sorrow for the fate her own child has laid out for herself. Few will rally to that mother's side, and rarely is there a public display of support. I can only imagine what an awful, lonely place it is to be. Please know that many of us do feel great compassion for Brandon's mom and those who love him.

Thanks so much Bessie, your post shows me that there is indeed sympathy and compassion. Lately, I've really needed to know that we have not allowed BSL's actions to harden our hearts. Thanks again. I will pass on your thoughts to her.

IMPondering · Aug 17, 2012

ktgirl said:
Months ago (before the arrest) I bought a few find Mickey yard signs from Party Time and put a few of them up around Lafayette, I-10 at the Lafayette side of the basin bridge, and WB. I wanted the perp to have drive by them (WB was in case he returned there; I wanted the perp to have to look at the signs wherever he went).

One sign I put up in Lafayette was on the corner Dean & Coliseum in the start of the field. I had always felt she probably was abducted somewhere around the fields because it's so desolate there (especially at 2am). I am kind of haunted by the fact that I put up her missing sign basically right where she was taken.

Thanks for putting that sign up, I drove by it frequently.

kgeaux · Aug 17, 2012

Donamena said:
They were only required, by law, to stabilize him. Believe me, I worked there for @ 10 yrs. anything life threatening & he would have stayed. I got sick one Mardi GRAS & woke up in a hospital bed w/ my friends giving me grief. Then I had to go to work downstairs.

That is true, a hospital cannot release a patient until the patient is stabilized. My personal experience is that even if the patient has no insurance, that patient will be admitted and treated for days if that is what it takes to get the patient stabile....or at least not in danger of immenint death.

If BSL's wounds were life threatening, then the danger must have been quickly alleviated.

bessie · Aug 17, 2012

Coullion said:
A popular local "radio personality" made a FB post earlier of his opinion of the late night bike ride. Many people, including a mother whose home was broken into and whose daughter was assaulted by BSL commented. An interesting read, but I'm not sure of the rules and about posting links.

If it's a private individual's FB page, then you can't post a link. You can if it's a site open to the general public, like a town page, a media fan page, or a "missing/justice for" page.

cluciano63 · Aug 17, 2012

Coullion said:
A popular local "radio personality" made a FB post earlier of his opinion of the late night bike ride. Many people, including a mother whose home was broken into and whose daughter was assaulted by BSL commented. An interesting read, but I'm not sure of the rules and about posting links.

Do you know what station he/she works for?
It is a "work-related" page or a private page? If it is a page for the public, it can be linked, but not have posts pasted.

chicken fried · Aug 17, 2012

Allusonz said:
He was a tier 3 RSO. To think this did not occur or was his primary motive is naive.

Throughout the plea deal agreement I see him blaming Lisa Pate for stealing not just his truck keys to get away, but his wallet. In BSL's version, which is the only one we will get, I simply can't think of any other reason for him to want to "keep her there" and "not let her leave".

In Mickey Shunick's case, once again he placed the blame on Mickey as she stabbed him therefore he had to stab her back "due to life threatening injuries".

He could not get a pulse but she "suddenly sat up" after being stabbed so he had to "shoot her".

The only thing I see through out the document is his reasoning and his version. I can guarantee that if Lisa Pate or Mickey Shunick were alive their versions would be much different.

Thanks for calling me "naive."

If you read my comment for what my words say, I said that not one word of evidence has said that it happened, and so until I see something official, I am going to respect her dignity by not speculating.

That's totally different than the way you mischaracterized my statement.

VenusRules6 · Aug 17, 2012

This is my 1st time seeing him on video. He looks like a slow-boat and all I see in his eyes are emptiness. Whatever soul was there is gone.

justwannahelp · Aug 17, 2012

RWRNHZ40 said:
A statement from Mickey's mother, posted on the Find Mickey Now, Search Resources Group

"In these past months all three of my beautiful children have never stopped impressing me with their strength.
The child who is able to speak in public stands in front of me and speaks to the press and the public when I cannot speak.
The child who is shy stands behind me and keeps me from falling when I can no longer stand up.
And Mickey.
We started calling her “The Mighty Mick” at a few months old; pretty soon it was always “The Mite” or “The Mick”.
From this day forward, we go back to “The Mighty Mick.”

Rest here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/360477814006959/

how beautifully and perfectly she describes all three of her children.

Coullion · Aug 17, 2012

cluciano63 said:
Do you know what station he/she works for?
It is a "work-related" page or a private page? If it is a page for the public, it can be linked, but not have posts pasted.

It's a private page and I checked to see if it was on the business page, but it's not. All of this time, their names have been kept on the down low, and the mother put it out there tonight (her own name at least) by speaking out. This is assuming that it was the daughter that he did time for and not ANOTHER victim.

I also checked to see if his personal page was open to the public and you DON'T have to be his "friend" to view his page

MamaRoux · Aug 17, 2012

jarabie said:
Thanks so much Bessie, your post shows me that there is indeed sympathy and compassion. Lately, I've really needed to know that we have not allowed BSL's actions to harden our hearts. Thanks again. I will pass on your thoughts to her.

I have posted earlier that every soul is precious to God and at the end of our days on earth, it will be God who looks into our hearts and and it is He who will send us to our eternal home. I, for one intend to fight the devil for Brandon's soul. Obviously he (Satan) has teased, tempted and taken over Brandon's thoughts, actions and life from and early age. This is not something one asks for, and there but for the grace of God go I or any one of us. The bible says that the devil roams the earth to and fro seeking whom he may devour. He has devoured Brandon Scott Lavergne...mind, body...but not soul...not yet. I know that in time to come, if he does come to repentance, it will be called a "jail house conversion" by those who wish him to rot in hell...however it is not up to me, or anyone else to judge his heart. As I said, that will be done by God when the time comes. My prayers are with all of the families effected by the actions of BSL. Right now, I know that Mickey and Lisa are resting in the arms of God. I feel it my duty to pray for Brandon Lavergne, not because I condone his horrendous actions, but because it is his soul in need of fervent prayer right now.
I know this isn't a popular thing to say, especially today, but I feel a prompting and almost an urgency to "put it out there."

I would appreciate it if my fellow WSers would not be too hard with the bashing. I'm the sensitive sort.

lease:

justwannahelp · Aug 17, 2012

MamaRoux said:
I have posted earlier that every soul is precious to God and at the end of our days on earth, it will be God who looks into our hearts and and it is He who will send us to our eternal home. I, for one intend to fight the devil for Brandon's soul. Obviously he (Satan) has teased, tempted and taken over Brandon's thoughts, actions and life from and early age. This is not something one asks for, and there but for the grace of God go I or any one of us. The bible says that the devil roams the earth to and fro seeking whom he may devour. He has devoured Brandon Scott Lavergne...mind, body...but not soul...not yet. I know that in time to come, if he does come to repentance, it will be called a "jail house conversion" by those who wish him to rot in hell...however it is not up to me, or anyone else to judge his heart. As I said, that will be done by God when the time comes. My prayers are with all of the families effected by the actions of BSL. Right now, I know that Mickey and Lisa are resting in the arms of God. I feel it my duty to pray for Brandon Lavergne, not because I condone his horrendous actions, but because it is his soul in need of fervent prayer right now.
I know this isn't a popular thing to say, especially today, but I feel a prompting and almost an urgency to "put it out there."

I would appreciate it if my fellow WSers would not be too hard with the bashing. I'm the sensitive sort.lease:

i'm with ya mamaroux. it's hard, and i get so mad at times. especially today. but, God wants all his children with him in Heaven after our battles on Earth. Earth is a battlefield between good and evil. BSL is young. there is time for him to change "sides". i'm not saying he will, but it's not impossible.

Wondergirl · Aug 17, 2012

med said:
"My courageous child faced down a monster, and now I think I can face down the monsters too, and so can you" Nancy S.

Perfect.

That is an inspiring quote.

So true, Nancy, so true.

Rest in Peace, courageous Mickey.

jarabie · Aug 17, 2012

MamaRoux said:
I have posted earlier that every soul is precious to God and at the end of our days on earth, it will be God who looks into our hearts and and it is He who will send us to our eternal home. I, for one intend to fight the devil for Brandon's soul. Obviously he (Satan) has teased, tempted and taken over Brandon's thoughts, actions and life from and early age. This is not something one asks for, and there but for the grace of God go I or any one of us. The bible says that the devil roams the earth to and fro seeking whom he may devour. He has devoured Brandon Scott Lavergne...mind, body...but not soul...not yet. I know that in time to come, if he does come to repentance, it will be called a "jail house conversion" by those who wish him to rot in hell...however it is not up to me, or anyone else to judge his heart. As I said, that will be done by God when the time comes. My prayers are with all of the families effected by the actions of BSL. Right now, I know that Mickey and Lisa are resting in the arms of God. I feel it my duty to pray for Brandon Lavergne, not because I condone his horrendous actions, but because it is his soul in need of fervent prayer right now.
I know this isn't a popular thing to say, especially today, but I feel a prompting and almost an urgency to "put it out there."

I would appreciate it if my fellow WSers would not be too hard with the bashing. I'm the sensitive sort.lease:

What a sweet and lovely soul you've exposed. Thanks for your comments.

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