Woman Gives Birth To Octuplets In California

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passionategray said:
I really think that she was just wanting one more kid. But then she found out that 7 implanted and didn't want to abort. Now she's probably realizing that she made a huge mistake in wanting just one more and implanting 8... and now she's at the spot where she has to find a way to support all the kids on her own.

She made a huge mistake... I agree. But she's got to make lemonade out of the lemons and even if these kids were a "mistake" they are still children... they are still meant to be loved... they still have a purpose in this life.
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here's where my empathy with her stops. i can understand her wanting another baby. i cant imagine wanting another one if i were a single mother of 6 but ok..i'll give her that much.

but IMO this cant be called a mistake.

when you have embryos planted, you are told right then and there the risk that they may all take. so i blame her for irresponsibility of doing that. she knew the risk this would happen. so, IMO, this is no mistake. this is a consequence of her own actions.


i dont want her to get one red cent from exploiting her children but then the point brought up that if she doesnt get money from that then the government will have to support her is one i hadnt thought of. so i hope she gets all she can because the government cant afford to pay for 14 children because of her own irresponsibility.
 
LovingTheChaos said:
Boyz Mum brings up a good point - I would rather have GMA, Oprah, etc. pay her a few million so she can properly care for those children, then have them wind up on the tax payer dole. I hope she gets enough to pay the hospital back as well.
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HOWEVER, this is a person who has a history of using money given to her for a specified purpose in a fraudulent manner. There is no telling how many more IFV treatments she might choose to have if given millions of dollars by these media outlets. If the money went directly to the hospital to pay the estimated 3 million dollars in medical expenses that would be more appropriate than just giving her unsupervised use of the funds. At this point in time, though, her publicity firm will be getting probably at least 30 to 40% of any money that she makes. ANY financial profits should be put into a trust fund for medical and educational expenses for these children and then a responsible, NON-FAMILY administrator appointed to make decisions about when and how the money is dispersed.
 
nikkiw319 said:
mostly a lurker, rarely a poster but here goes.

Not just what doctor would do this but what doctor would do this (even if it were less embryos) considering she has given birth to six children in the last seven years. That alone takes a serious toll on a woman's body. I'm sure there is more to this story.

I absolutely do not agree with her choice to have 14 kids for a gamut of reasons but it still seems hard to assume that she does not have medical insurance (for herself or her children) or that she had them fraudulently. Student loans are just that, loans. If she used student loans to get pregnant, she still has to pay them back. In all technical senses they are for living expenses and educational costs while in school but I many people use them for vacation over spring break, to foot the cost of a nicer car, to go out drinking. I don't think it really constitutes fraud but I could be wrong.


I do agree that her children will suffer for her neglectful choices though.
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It is definitely fraud...student loans require that the recipient is actually a STUDENT, that their tuition and fees are paid if full, and the remainder is to be used for any books or living expenses while a STUDENT. Many of these loans require that the student be enrolled in a specific number of credit hours. There is no loan paper that has ever been signed that will list IFV as a qualified expense to continue the signer's education. ALSO, I would guess that when her bankruptcy was recently filed that the student loans were listed as one of the components of that filing.
 
Raeann--
Do we know if she is or is not a student? You can't even obtain a student loan unless your in school so if she financed such a procedure with student aid, then she must have been enrolled in school and her tuition paid (as student loans are sent to the school to pay your debt to them and the remainder sent to the person from the school). Not to mention, I have never seen you have to write what your student loans are for to recieve them. Depends on the loan. Federal student loans, no, you do not need to tell them what the money is for.
Next, I thought it was her parents that filed bankruptcy? Though I could be mistaken, that was how I read it. Either way, student loans can not be included in a bankruptcy filing.
 
She obtained a Bachelor's degree and is apparently in a Master's program. So, yes, it sounds like she was actually a student. But, again, excess financial aid is supposed to be used for school-related expenses (books/supplies, housing).

There may very well be other people out there who are using their extra loan money to buy a new car or spring break parties. However, just because there are people flying under the radar doesn't make it alright. lol And, as far as whether they track how the money is used, lenders are essentially banking on the integrity of the person borrowing the money. I guess that is too much to ask for some people. There are also other people out there besides this woman who exaggerate disability claims/workman's comp, but multiple wrongs don't make a right in that situation either.
 
twinkiesmom said:
The story was that she had blocked tubes. That would make you a candidate for IVF even if you had normal ovaries. It would also lead to the ability to create viable embryos in the double digits with even one attempt.
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Yes, I read that story too, Twinkiesmom. I understand all of that in relation to IVF. What I'm saying is that it doesn't appear that she even tried to get pregnant naturally before jumping to IVF. How could she have tried naturally if she didn't have a partner? It's my understanding that there is supposed to be a certain period of time trying naturally before being approved for IVF. I mean, I had an ectopic pregnancy 8 years ago. So, I know I may eventually need to check into IVF. But I don't know for sure because I've been using birth control since that time (i.e. not trying). I can't walk into a fertility clinic tomorrow and demand IVF just because I think there might be problems. In general, most people have to go through a screening process that is not just based on the word of a patient or what might happen.
 
nikkiw319 said:
Raeann--
Do we know if she is or is not a student? You can't even obtain a student loan unless your in school so if she financed such a procedure with student aid, then she must have been enrolled in school and her tuition paid (as student loans are sent to the school to pay your debt to them and the remainder sent to the person from the school). Not to mention, I have never seen you have to write what your student loans are for to recieve them. Depends on the loan. Federal student loans, no, you do not need to tell them what the money is for.
Next, I thought it was her parents that filed bankruptcy? Though I could be mistaken, that was how I read it. Either way, student loans can not be included in a bankruptcy filing.
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I don't have a link, but one neighbor interviewed said she was a family friend and that Nadya had not been in school for some time. She has been hospitalized for the last several months at the very least. The loan papers, whether from federal grants, the school itself, or a private institution which are signed by the student state clearly what the money may be used for, so by signing them the student agrees to the terms of the loan. Several media outlets reported that it was her parents that filed bankruptcy, but one station had a female reporter on who stated that their research showed the filing was done in Nadya's name. In any case, regarding the loans, they are NEVER meant to be used for IFV procedures in lieu of tuition and books.
 
Octuplets Fallout: Should Fertility Doctors Set Limits?

Just about the time that eight babies began growing inside a California woman's womb, some nationwide policies about fertility treatment were being codified. In June, the American Society for Reproductive Medicine (ASRM) issued updated "Guidelines on Number of Embryos Transferred." Women under age 35 - the octuplets' mom is reportedly 33 - should attempt to transfer no more than two, and preferably only one, fertilized embryo at a time. Women over age 40 should attempt no more than five.


How the California woman, apparently a single mother who already has six young children, including a set of twins, got pregnant is the subject of rampant speculation. But regardless of whether the octuplets are the result of in vitro fertilization (IVF) or fertility drugs - the latter has historically been available on the cheap in Mexico - there is little doubt that from a medical and ethical perspective, something went very wrong. And fertility specialists now find themselves on the defensive, trying to fend off the perception that theirs is an undisciplined, irresponsible profession.
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continued: http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090204/hl_time/08599187623200
 
This article explains that Nadya was getting money for one worker's comp. claim against a former employer, and then filed a new claim against that employer for a whip lash injury that she claimed she got in a car accident on the way to treatment for the first injury. This sounds more and more like a "work the system" fraud case with every new bit of information that is uncovered.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ad-filed-two-workers-compensation-claims.html
 
raeann said:
This article explains that Nadya was getting money for one worker's comp. claim against a former employer, and then filed a new claim against that employer for a whip lash injury that she claimed she got in a car accident on the way to treatment for the first injury. This sounds more and more like a "work the system" fraud case with every new bit of information that is uncovered.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ad-filed-two-workers-compensation-claims.html
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Thanks raeann for the link!

Did you read the article about the corporate donors being turned off (a byline on the link from above?) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-turned-off-by-story-of-octuplets-mother.html

I wasn't sure if this article was posted or not.

I am inclined to agree with you on the fraud thing.
 
I don't mean this to be snarky, but I do wonder if Nadya's parents would be prone to "desert" her and the kids if there is big money on the horizon?
 
Ok my news is reporting that a huge scandal regarding the hospital is about to surface. They will not reveal what it is yet. But everything they have said has been accurate.
 
JBean said:
Ok my news is reporting that a huge scandal regarding the hospital is about to surface. They will not reveal what it is yet. But everything they have said has been accurate.
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Will you post a link if/when you see something? TIA!
 
LillyRush said:
Yes, I read that story too, Twinkiesmom. I understand all of that in relation to IVF. What I'm saying is that it doesn't appear that she even tried to get pregnant naturally before jumping to IVF. How could she have tried naturally if she didn't have a partner? It's my understanding that there is supposed to be a certain period of time trying naturally before being approved for IVF. I mean, I had an ectopic pregnancy 8 years ago. So, I know I may eventually need to check into IVF. But I don't know for sure because I've been using birth control since that time (i.e. not trying). I can't walk into a fertility clinic tomorrow and demand IVF just because I think there might be problems. In general, most people have to go through a screening process that is not just based on the word of a patient or what might happen.
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We don't know what the story is....a pelvic infection or history of GI surgery might open an avenue to medical discovery that you were infertile without your having tried to get pregnant. If she was obsessed, she could have gotten a work up. We also don't know how many IUI cycles she might have tried before the first pregnancy (14 children ago).

I think she would have had a speedier process as someone using donor sperm than a married couple going through the paces. The worst part of my journey were doctors who assumed parts were working that later after many failed attempts were discovered to be nonfunctioning. And yes it did take me about 4 years to get recommended for IVF....but if I had been a single woman with no partner using healthy donated sperm, it eliminates male side of the equation being investigated for infertility and the problem of quality and quantity going up and down.
 
she has collected 205K in benefits to date.
I will post a link to the scandal when they reveal it tomorrow.

I THINK it has something to do with how they have been reporting the babies progress. perhaps not entirely accurate? do not know.
 
I think if she gets any "big deals" and earns money off of this, a large percentage should be agreed to go into a type of trust fund for the kids....not to her directly.

Keep out enough to help pay for things that the 14 kids need and to keep life OK for them, the rest of the supposed millions she's being offered go under lock and key.

This woman just does not seem to be up to any good.
 
There was just discussion about this on FOX news.
An estimated 3 Million will be spent before the babies even leave the hospital.
They also mentioned that g'ma did an interview with US Weekly, where she stated that her daughter has "only child syndrome" and blames that for her obsession with having babies. WTH? I'm an only child, always swore I'd have more than one child...guess what? I HAVE TWO!!! :banghead:
 
Question? My oldest daughter is working towards a Masters off and on for a few years now. She is married (they do not make that much money) and she has to pay for her classes. I was thinking that there isn't financial aid for post graduate degrees?

Can someone fill me in on that please?
 
Kat: there is financial aid out there for pursuing a masters... but I think it varies by state and/or college.
 
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