UID Victim: Manorville John Doe, Hispanic male, 5'6", 112 lbs., Namus 2725, found Nov 2000

The first thought would be a male dumped in Manorville, perhaps trans like Tirrel Santiago, but the XL Joe Boxers throws a wrench in that. If he really was that thin then all I can think of is how 2000 was the heyday of saggy pants and baggy boxers, which might mean a gangbanger. But may weight or the boxer size is just off
 
Well 63 inches on the namus would be 5'2. So that's a big difference, and if this was a whole body like they claim there shouldn't be this big of a discrepancy. What's going on here? What's up with the medical examiner? 112 pounds could be right for 5'2 right?

Where do you get 63 inches on Namus? I've only seen 5' 6" or 66" tall.
 
Well 63 inches on the namus would be 5'2. So that's a big difference, and if this was a whole body like they claim there shouldn't be this big of a discrepancy. What's going on here? What's up with the medical examiner? 112 pounds could be right for 5'2 right?
63 inches is 5' 3" (60 inches = 5 ft).
 
If we are to believe that Asian Male was picked up by accident, then it is unlikely he made that mistake in this case.

I believe Manorville John Doe was killed at the same time as Jane Doe #6 in early September of 2000.

If she was a working girl then like SG, she had someone waiting in a parked car for her. This time there wasn't any SG screaming to wake up the neighborhood, and thus saving the driver/boyfriend/pimp from entering the house to meet his death, too. MP was lucky to get away because of SG.

This was a 35 year old'ish hispanic male, around 5' 6" and around 130 lbs. His jaw had been wired shut in the early summer of 2000, thus losing close to 20 lbs on a liquid diet. No health issues, no transexuality, no prostitution. Just a driver who LISK had to dispose of, as well.
 
Yup, I noticed him too, good match! I can't find anything on where the garage was located in NYC, however, I'll keep looking. My opinion is, that he was suppose to go home to Brazil, but I think he ran away to NYC instead. No job, no place to stay in NYC, with only a car. Hmm... He also was a busboy before he left Danbury, CT. Easy to see him getting a job paying under the table at a restaurant in NYC.

Danbury, CT? Strange as the potential match I found for Fire Island Legs (Kelley Zanon) also hailed from that Danbury area and had some Hispanic background.
 
I know it's a weird idea, but maybe this manorville John Doe was originally dressed in female clothes - but the killer redressed him in male clothes?

Or he was held captive and emaciated before he was murdered?

The wire for the jaw certainly could explain the lack of weight.

Hm.
 
His only having boxer shorts on idicates possibly what he was doing when killed. Perhaps he was asleep or was about to perform sexually. Who had access to him sexually or when he was sleeping?
 
His only having boxer shorts on idicates possibly what he was doing when killed. Perhaps he was asleep or was about to perform sexually. Who had access to him sexually or when he was sleeping?

His shorts were next to the body, not actually on him. Maybe his state of undress was just another way of his disrespecting the victim. Who knows, maybe LISK used John Doe's clothing to help with the clean up?
 
If we are to believe that Asian Male was picked up by accident, then it is unlikely he made that mistake in this case.

I believe Manorville John Doe was killed at the same time as Jane Doe #6 in early September of 2000.

If she was a working girl then like SG, she had someone waiting in a parked car for her. This time there wasn't any SG screaming to wake up the neighborhood, and thus saving the driver/boyfriend/pimp from entering the house to meet his death, too. MP was lucky to get away because of SG.

This was a 35 year old'ish hispanic male, around 5' 6" and around 130 lbs. His jaw had been wired shut in the early summer of 2000, thus losing close to 20 lbs on a liquid diet. No health issues, no transexuality, no prostitution. Just a driver who LISK had to dispose of, as well.

I thought MP did go in JB's house. I could have misread that though. And the male victims being drivers is an interesting theory! The only possible flaw I can see is would a man that size really be able to do much of anything to protect the escort? Maybe that's not how it works, or maybe that's why this guy (and thus JD#6?) are dead. Definitely a new angle to consider.
 
Pardon my ignorance on the subject, but are there serial numbers on that type of jaw wiring or mandibular devices?
 
I thought MP did go in JB's house. I could have misread that though. And the male victims being drivers is an interesting theory! The only possible flaw I can see is would a man that size really be able to do much of anything to protect the escort? Maybe that's not how it works, or maybe that's why this guy (and thus JD#6?) are dead. Definitely a new angle to consider.

Yeah he did go in. Both men were heard on the 911 call inside JB'S house. JB was trying to get MP to get her out.
 
Could this be helpful?

On Nov. 23, 2000, between exits 68 and 69, south side of eastbound LIE, a white or Hispanic male, 20-30 years old, 5’6”, 112 lbs, short black hair, has surgical staple possibly from a previous fracture, wearing M blue/white striped Gap boxers was found. He had been dead for about three weeks.

https://longislandweekly.com/partially-dismembered-body-found-in-bay-shore/

It lists all of the victims that were found in the vicinity.

 
Could this be helpful?

On Nov. 23, 2000, between exits 68 and 69, south side of eastbound LIE, a white or Hispanic male, 20-30 years old, 5’6”, 112 lbs, short black hair, has surgical staple possibly from a previous fracture, wearing M blue/white striped Gap boxers was found. He had been dead for about three weeks.

https://longislandweekly.com/partially-dismembered-body-found-in-bay-shore/

It lists all of the victims that were found in the vicinity.


Defo helps as it gives us a post mortem interval. Thank you !!!

Maybe Curtis? He had MS. I could see how a visual examination would show him as Hispanic or white. He was a security cop who was abducted and likely murdered. Might go along with the theory of captivity if he was held captive a month or two and withheld food for a few weeks. Height is a little off though and no mention of scars for him or dental work.

http://www.nampn.org/cases/pishon_curtis.html

Curtis Pishon

1 2 4 5 6
Above Images: Curtis Pishon , circa 2000
Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance


Missing Since: July 5, 2000 from Seabrook, Rockingham County, New Hampshire
Classification: Endangered Missing
Date Of Birth: July 11, 1959
Age: 40
Height: 5'8- 5'9"
Weight: 160-170 lbs
Hair Color: Graying brown
Eye Color: Brown
Race: White
Gender: Male
Distinguishing Characteristics: Pishon may have a moustache.
He smokes cigarettes and wears contact lenses.
Medical Conditions: Pishon has been diagnosed with multiple
sclerosis. He has difficulty walking and is often in pain due to his
condition. Pishon may have been depressed at the time of his 2000
disappearance. Pishon has a history of alcohol abuse.
Clothing: Reliable Security Uniform (light blue top over dark pants)
and new boots.
AKA: Curt
Case Number: 00-4263
Details of Disappearance
On July 4th 2000 Curtis, a retired police officer, arrived at his job as a security guard at Venture Corporation around 9:30 p.m. and parked his car in the parking lot --about eight feet from the guard shack. He chatted briefly with the guard he was relieving --who later told police that Curtis did not appear depressed or upset.

Around midnight, Curtis' supervisor checked on him and reported no problems.

Then at 2 a.m. Curtis called the Fire Department to report that his car was on fire. The car was engulfed in flames by the time firefighters arrived just a few minutes later. The last entry in his guard log was at 2 a.m., when he reported the fire. A few plant workers taking a break saw him at approximately 3:15 a.m. The first person to notice that he was missing was a worker who arrived at the plant at 3:45 a.m.

About the same time, a night-shift foreman reported seeing two vehicles racing out of the driveway, but he was unable to give a description of the cars to police. When Curtis' relief arrived the next morning Curtis was nowhere to be found.

There has been no activity on his bank accounts or credit cards. His family believes he was abducted and murdered. A person of interest in the case has been named, but never charged, due to lack of evidence.

Investigating Agency
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
Seabrook Police Department
603-474-5200
OR
NH State Police Major Crime Unit
603-223-8567

Source Information
Seabrook Police Department
Namus
Find Curt
 
I don't think I have a match for Manorville John Doe, but I think I may have a match to the Black Male who was found on 1/14/2010. Mr. Robinson went missing from Michigan on 1/3/2010.

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/10630/23

According to the article above the profile is:
Black male, 5'10" 163 lbs. with a cranial scar.
Mr. Robinson was black male, 6'1" 210 lbs with[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]Left side of head--possible evidence for brain surgery. Left jaw-linear/complete fracture at/through the angle of the left mandible. X-rays could not be located.

The jaw fracture made me take notice...
 
Could this be helpful?

On Nov. 23, 2000, between exits 68 and 69, south side of eastbound LIE, a white or Hispanic male, 20-30 years old, 5’6”, 112 lbs, short black hair, has surgical staple possibly from a previous fracture, wearing M blue/white striped Gap boxers was found. He had been dead for about three weeks.

https://longislandweekly.com/partially-dismembered-body-found-in-bay-shore/

It lists all of the victims that were found in the vicinity.


It's odd that the age given for him is listed above is between 20-30, when Namus has him listed as between 30-45 years old. Makes me wonder how accurate that is?
PS... Post mortem interval for Jane Doe #6 was listed as weeks. September would have been 2 months.
Hmm...
 
It's odd that the age given for him is listed above is between 20-30, when Namus has him listed as between 30-45 years old. Makes me wonder how accurate that is?
PS... Post mortem interval for Jane Doe #6 was listed as weeks. September would have been 2 months.
Hmm...
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I'm making a spreadsheet now to track all the victims. I'll post it when I'm done and everyone can comment and I will update it so we have one reference place to look.

If you could post NamUs Number that would be great too.

TIA
 

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