Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #16

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Peliman said:
This picture is after my beauty sleep and flipping channels between NG and the Dog Whisperer.

On topic a second.

Looking over radars site again I happened to catch something I didn't know or maybe mistaken.

In one document, detectives said Flores Ramirez - who was beaten and stabbed to death
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Love the hair too! :)

I noticed that too about the stabbing, some things that were reported earlier seem to pop back up.

If true, wonder where the knife is?
 
I do get sick when I read this:

"The body of the young [wo]man had his [her] face disfigured by the blows."

It implies massive strike(s). I even wonder now, that some of this occurred after death, and he stomped on her. Well it will all come out soon enough.

But we can see why the brother could barely recognize her and the police think it wasn't from normal decomposition.

I think while "everyone" hates him already, it will soon reach another level. And maybe even more likely he will have a short stay in Peru a la the Dahmer solution.
 
Bobarino said:
Thanks Nums24!

I note that the translation (which isn't too good) includes this:

He reported that Judge Morales ordered the execution of psychological and psychiatric expertise to Van der Sloot, and the ratification of the autopsy and forensic tests carried out all the specialists to explain the reasons for their opinions.

Van der Sloot confessed to police he killed Flores in his hotel room, when they were playing poker online.

He said the girl was [saw] a threatening message which came to him about the Holloway case, and to tell him details of the story, she hit him in the temple, so he attacked her by hitting with the elbow at the height [bridge?] of the nose .

The body of the young [wo]man had his [her] face disfigured by the blows.

Hope ths helps.

It implies the judge will get extensive forensic and other evidence--when we will get it I do not know.
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Thank you for the translation!

I believe that this is considered the "investigative phase", the judge has to order these things first. I do not know anything about Peru law, but I think I found the link to the Peru Judicial System, I just can't understand any of it LOL. Here's the link: http://www.pj.gob.pe/
 
Nana46 said:
I am getting nothing on my search...could this translation by some way mean a death certificate? They have the body of the deceased,etc.
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When someone dies, there has to be official recognition of the body. It has to be stated and the responsible party who identified the remains must sign the document verifying the identity of the deceased.
 
nums24 said:
Thank you for the translation!

I believe that this is considered the "investigative phase", the judge has to order these things first. I do not know anything about Peru law, but I think I found the link to the Peru Judicial System, I just can't understand any of it LOL. Here's the link: http://www.pj.gob.pe/
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Thanks. My Spanish is rusty. And maybe you agree the free translations are beginning to be very tiresome. Better than nothing, but sometimes tediuous to figure out what they really mean. Not sure why they keep getting the sex wrong (he or she), as that should be a simple matter?
 
Bobarino said:
Thanks. My Spanish is rusty. And maybe you agree the free translations are beginning to be very tiresome. Better than nothing, but sometimes tediuous to figure out what they really mean. Not sure why they keep getting the sex wrong (he or she), as that should be a simple matter?
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I've been checking the dutch sites too and I speak zero Spanish. My brain is mush.

This Peru Law site is in English!!!!:

http://www.worldlii.org/catalog/2274.html
 
hollyblue said:
They are saying since she passed before he robbed her---hence the simple robbery. I, personally, disagree. He robbed her within the act of murder....period...he should get life in prison. Can't see how you can separate the two. JMO
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They may merge...at least they do here in certain circumstances. For example, LE cannot charge felony murder under most state statutes if the felony aspect is not distinct from the murder aspect. So if a guy rapes & murders, then he can be charged with felonly murder. But if the suspect beat a guy to death, we cannot charge him with felony murder because the battery merges into the felony murder (otherwise, it would be a double jeopardy issue).

Also in some states here, kidnapping statutes require either movement of the victim (even if only slightly...say JVS moved her to room 310), or if no movement, then concealment in a secret place is required. Confinement alone might not lie for a kidnapping charge, here anyway.
 
TwiceIrish said:
The timing of this announcement and the payment to the ex-girlfriend is suspicious.
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Yes. Also that Anita supposedly sent her an email not to trust US media.
Does that mean they are in touch and why would they be, if Joran and the girl
broke up years ago considering he hurt her. She must have gotten over it :waitasec:
considering he texted her recently asking her to send him money.
Why would she continue to be friends with him when he lied to her,
cheated on her and most importantly she's fully aware that he changed
his stories about Natalee's last hours.

I don't understand. Other than that, her interview was an honest reveal
of a young first love relationship. She's honest about his dishonesty.
I'm just having trouble reconciling why she would still have anything to
do with him or his mother for that matter. :waitasec:
 
Bobarino said:
Official COD posted several times today.

Two fold.
1. Trauma to cranium (skull) and brain.
2. Trauma to the cervical neck region. (Common vernacular-- broken neck.)

No stabbing cited. Certainly not as a fatal wound. And probably no stabbing at all.

Exactly how the above traumas were inflicted I do not believe has been publicly divulged. Maybe Monday in court?

We have been trying to match injuries, statements, visible evidence etc. So far I think either elbowing or punch from Joran are the leading candidates. Open to other factors if there is evidence etc.
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Based on JVDS confession , I was expecting asphyxiation but after a couple of days until finding the body, I guess the actual cause of death could be difficult to determine. Sounds like , if he would not have suffocated her , she would have still died of other causes.
 
Anita Vds has more in common with the Anthony's than we thought:

http://www.gelderlander.nl/algemeen...der-Joran-vluchtte-voor-opname-in-kliniek.ece

snipped:

AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Joran van der Sloot had gone to Peru to escape inclusion in a psychiatric clinic.

Joran van der Sloot mother Anita told in an interview with The Associated Press on Saturday that her son had accepted the shooting, but fled at the last minute for his treatment.
 
nums24 said:
Anita Vds has more in common with the Anthony's than we thought:

http://www.gelderlander.nl/algemeen...der-Joran-vluchtte-voor-opname-in-kliniek.ece

snipped:

AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Joran van der Sloot had gone to Peru to escape inclusion in a psychiatric clinic.

Joran van der Sloot mother Anita told in an interview with The Associated Press on Saturday that her son had accepted the shooting, but fled at the last minute for his treatment.
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Wow...that's really breaking news! Great job finding this.

"Joran suffers according to his mother with major psychological problems. ,, Joran is sick in his head, but he wanted no help.''
 
Woe.be.gone said:
Yes. Also that Anita supposedly sent her an email not to trust US media.
Does that mean they are in touch and why would they be, if Joran and the girl
broke up years ago considering he hurt her. She must have gotten over it :waitasec:
considering he texted her recently asking her to send him money.
Why would she continue to be friends with him when he lied to her,
cheated on her and most importantly she's fully aware that he changed
his stories about Natalee's last hours.

I don't understand. Other than that, her interview was an honest reveal
of a young first love relationship. She's honest about his dishonesty.
I'm just having trouble reconciling why she would still have anything to
do with him or his mother for that matter. :waitasec:
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Your "Why would she continue to be friends with him when he lied to her,
cheated on her and most importantly she's fully aware that he changed
his stories about Natalee's last hours."

Answer as many have noted:
You never stop loving your first love.

From his POV, she's probably just another potential source of "income."

From what I found, it said he began having sex at age 14, including many American tourists, who he described as "easy."
 
Here is another article:

http://translate.google.com/transla...n_is_ziek_in_zijn_hoofd___.html?sn=binnenland

My son is sick in his head" ORANJESTAD (Aruba) - Oranjestad (Aruba) - Anita van der Sloot, de moeder van Joran, verbreekt na jaren het stilzwijgen. Volgens Anita is haar zoon psychisch zwaar in de war geraakt. Anita van der Sloot, Joran's mother, breaks the silence after years. According to Anita her son was mentally confused heavily hit.
 
nums24 said:
Anita Vds has more in common with the Anthony's than we thought:

http://www.gelderlander.nl/algemeen...der-Joran-vluchtte-voor-opname-in-kliniek.ece

snipped:

AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Joran van der Sloot had gone to Peru to escape inclusion in a psychiatric clinic.

Joran van der Sloot mother Anita told in an interview with The Associated Press on Saturday that her son had accepted the shooting, but fled at the last minute for his treatment.
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Do I see the defense building a platform here for a plea of insanity? Is that accepted in Peru as a reason to lower charges?:waitasec:
 
When my brain is recharged, I will have to see if mental defense is allowed in Peru. I know that being under the influence was a mitigating factor.

Goodnight everyone
 
nums24 said:
Anita Vds has more in common with the Anthony's than we thought:

http://www.gelderlander.nl/algemeen...der-Joran-vluchtte-voor-opname-in-kliniek.ece

snipped:

AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Joran van der Sloot had gone to Peru to escape inclusion in a psychiatric clinic.

Joran van der Sloot mother Anita told in an interview with The Associated Press on Saturday that her son had accepted the shooting, but fled at the last minute for his treatment.
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very odd translation in this article.... Anita van der Sloot (53) says in the interview continues to believe that her son is not responsible for the death of Natalee Holloway.

Ze houdt het echter wel voor mogelijk dat hij de Peruaanse Stephany Flores heeft omgebracht. She loves it, however, possible that his Peruvian Stephany Flores has killed.:waitasec:

accepted the shooting - what's that?
 
FLNY said:
I took this to mean that the public cannot attend th proceedings on Monday, as opposed to the actual trial which by law in Peru must be public.

But, hopefully, late Monday or soon thereafter the results from Monday's hearing will be published.
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The way I understand it, that this is part of the pretrial fact finding mission by the judge. After that is completed, late August, JVDS will be released in the general population of Castro Castro or maybe even another prison.
I did check the climate for Lima, just as miserable as Florida in the summer. High humidity.
Joran found his own version of The Hotel California IMO, no extradition.
 
Bobarino said:
Your "Why would she continue to be friends with him when he lied to her,
cheated on her and most importantly she's fully aware that he changed
his stories about Natalee's last hours."

Answer as many have noted:
You never stop loving your first love.

From his POV, she's probably just another potential source of "income."

From what I found, it said he began having sex at age 14, including many American tourists, who he described as "easy."
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Somebody should explain to her that what she experienced with Joran is not love imo.
 
Woe.be.gone said:
Somebody should explain to her that what she experienced with Joran is not love imo.
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and how about ''discretion" - nice people don't kiss and tell about their encounters
 
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