CANADA Canada - Tracy Kundinger, 18, Toronto, 20 Aug 1975
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Tracy Kundinger Murder
Case #: YRP 1975-12772
Location: Simonston Blvd (near German Mills P.S), Thornhill
Date: Thursday, August 21, 1975
Summary: The body of Tracy Kundinger, aged 18 of Thornhill, was located in a park area adjacent to the German Mills Public School, which is located on Simonston Boulevard in Thornhill.
The investigation revealed that Tracy Kundinger worked until 10 p.m. on Wednesday, August 21, 1975 as a lifeguard at the Ottawa Indoor Pool located at 650 Parliament Street, Toronto. Tracy was reported to have been wearing a blue jean jacket over a white T-shirt, blue jeans, and a pair of white shoes when she left the Ottawa Indoor Pool, shortly after 10 p.m. on August 20, 1975.
Tracy was observed walking with friends to the Castlefrank Subway Station, and ultimately took a Don Mills North bus to Steeles Avenue, leaving the bus at 10:50 p.m.
A man who had been the only other passenger of the bus, described as 22 to 24 years of age, 175 to 180 lbs., with sandy, collar-length wavy hair and wearing a white denim jacket and jeans, got off the bus at the same time and was seen to be walking in the same general direction as Tracy.
It is believed that Tracy walked northwest from the intersection of Don Mills Road and Steeles Avenue toward her residence, and across the park area that surrounded German Mills Public School and St. Michael's Catholic Elementary School.
Tracy Kundinger died as a result of asphyxiation.
Case #: YRP 1975-12772
Location: Simonston Blvd (near German Mills P.S), Thornhill
Date: Thursday, August 21, 1975
Summary: The body of Tracy Kundinger, aged 18 of Thornhill, was located in a park area adjacent to the German Mills Public School, which is located on Simonston Boulevard in Thornhill.
The investigation revealed that Tracy Kundinger worked until 10 p.m. on Wednesday, August 21, 1975 as a lifeguard at the Ottawa Indoor Pool located at 650 Parliament Street, Toronto. Tracy was reported to have been wearing a blue jean jacket over a white T-shirt, blue jeans, and a pair of white shoes when she left the Ottawa Indoor Pool, shortly after 10 p.m. on August 20, 1975.
Tracy was observed walking with friends to the Castlefrank Subway Station, and ultimately took a Don Mills North bus to Steeles Avenue, leaving the bus at 10:50 p.m.
A man who had been the only other passenger of the bus, described as 22 to 24 years of age, 175 to 180 lbs., with sandy, collar-length wavy hair and wearing a white denim jacket and jeans, got off the bus at the same time and was seen to be walking in the same general direction as Tracy.
It is believed that Tracy walked northwest from the intersection of Don Mills Road and Steeles Avenue toward her residence, and across the park area that surrounded German Mills Public School and St. Michael's Catholic Elementary School.
Tracy Kundinger died as a result of asphyxiation.
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Tracy Kundinger Murder - Composite sketch of suspect
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Tracy Kundinger Murder
Person of Interest: John Ferguson
October 15, 1976 - Toronto Star
Arrest made in murder of girl, 18
A 34-year-old Toronto man has been charged with the non-capital murder of an 18-year-old Thornhill woman whose strangled body was found in a schoolyard in August, 1975.
John Ferguson, of Gerrard St. E., was charged early today after almost 14 months of investigation by York Regional Police detectives.
He is charged with the slaying of Tracy Lynn Kundinger, of Monsanto Ct., whose body was found by children playing in a park behind the German Mills Public School on August 20, 1975.
Police say Ferguson is single, unemployed and on welfare.
October 20, 1976 - The Liberal
Toronto man charged in Thornhill murder
John Ferguson, 34, of Gerrard Street in Toronto, has been charged with non-capital murder of Tracy Kundinger, 18, of Monsanto Court in Thornhill who was killed in August of last year.
At that time, the girl's strangled body was found by children playing in a park behind German Mills Public School.
York Regional Police have been working on the case ever since.
Crown Attoney Iain Cunningham said he recommended the accused be sent to Penetanguishene after he had refused to co-operate with police.
He said Ferguson had been examined by Dr. Gerald Cooper, a psychiatrist at York-Finch Hospital, who described his behavior as "very bizarre."
Dr. Cooper said he felt Ferguson was unfit to stand trial.
Police said the accused was single and on welfare.
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Tracy Kundinger Murder
Person of Interest: Raymond Wallace
January 13, 1978 - Toronto Star
2nd Thornhill woman accosted
A woman was accosted at knifepoint last night in an area that has seen one unsolved murder and numerous rapes and indecent assaults.
It was the second such incident in a week.
York Regional police said a 20-year-old woman was waiting for a bus on Don Mills Rd. just north of Steeles Ave. when she was approached by a man with a knife who told her to accompany him.
Police said the armed man led the woman to a townhouse construction site and as they were about to enter the woman began to struggle and escaped.
About a week ago, a 19-year-old woman was grabbed by a man who produced a knife. The assault occurred in almost exactly the same spot.
Tracy Kundinger, 18, of Thornhill, was found murdered in the same area August 21, 1975.
The Grade 13 student was strangled. Her body was found in a field near the German Mills public school. Her killer has never been found.
Police say there have been a number of other rapes and attacks on women in the same area of Thornhill and in Metro just south of Steeles Ave. over the past 18 months but there have been no arrests.
Person of Interest: Raymond Wallace
January 13, 1978 - Toronto Star
2nd Thornhill woman accosted
A woman was accosted at knifepoint last night in an area that has seen one unsolved murder and numerous rapes and indecent assaults.
It was the second such incident in a week.
York Regional police said a 20-year-old woman was waiting for a bus on Don Mills Rd. just north of Steeles Ave. when she was approached by a man with a knife who told her to accompany him.
Police said the armed man led the woman to a townhouse construction site and as they were about to enter the woman began to struggle and escaped.
About a week ago, a 19-year-old woman was grabbed by a man who produced a knife. The assault occurred in almost exactly the same spot.
Tracy Kundinger, 18, of Thornhill, was found murdered in the same area August 21, 1975.
The Grade 13 student was strangled. Her body was found in a field near the German Mills public school. Her killer has never been found.
Police say there have been a number of other rapes and attacks on women in the same area of Thornhill and in Metro just south of Steeles Ave. over the past 18 months but there have been no arrests.
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Tracy Kundinger Murder
Person of Interest: Raymond Wallace
March 29, 1978 - The Liberal
Thornhill residents relieved over rape arrest
Metro Police have arrested and charged a man with rape and attempted rape and York Regional Police have reason to believe he is the same man wanted in connection with similar crimes in the Don Mills - Steeles Avenue East, area.
Detective Sergeant Robert Wilson, in charge of the York Region investigation, said if and when the accused man is released by Toronto police, he will face charges resulting from a rash of incidents not far from Markham Place Mall, Thornhill, including three counts of abduction, one count of rape, two counts of attempted rape and two counts of indecent assault.
Murray MacDonald, manager of the shopping centre, said he is relieved the situation is now under control, especially for the sake of female employees.
Noting there was constant surveillance of the community around the mall, he felt thanks to York Region Police for their efforts were in order.
Detective Sergeant Wilson said the charges of abduction arose when a man (on three occasions) grabbed women by the arm at knifepoint and led them to secluded areas of the neighborhood.
Twice, victims were able to escape but another was taken to a vacant townhouse and raped.
"Our charges are different from those Metro laid in connection with incidents in Scarborough. Those acts happened inside cars but the ones up here included taking the victims from one place to another - that's abduction," said the Detective Sergeant.
Charged with rape and attempted rape by Metropolitan Toronto Police is Raymond Wallace, 31, of Brookbanks Road in Don Mills.
Person of Interest: Raymond Wallace
March 29, 1978 - The Liberal
Thornhill residents relieved over rape arrest
Metro Police have arrested and charged a man with rape and attempted rape and York Regional Police have reason to believe he is the same man wanted in connection with similar crimes in the Don Mills - Steeles Avenue East, area.
Detective Sergeant Robert Wilson, in charge of the York Region investigation, said if and when the accused man is released by Toronto police, he will face charges resulting from a rash of incidents not far from Markham Place Mall, Thornhill, including three counts of abduction, one count of rape, two counts of attempted rape and two counts of indecent assault.
Murray MacDonald, manager of the shopping centre, said he is relieved the situation is now under control, especially for the sake of female employees.
Noting there was constant surveillance of the community around the mall, he felt thanks to York Region Police for their efforts were in order.
Detective Sergeant Wilson said the charges of abduction arose when a man (on three occasions) grabbed women by the arm at knifepoint and led them to secluded areas of the neighborhood.
Twice, victims were able to escape but another was taken to a vacant townhouse and raped.
"Our charges are different from those Metro laid in connection with incidents in Scarborough. Those acts happened inside cars but the ones up here included taking the victims from one place to another - that's abduction," said the Detective Sergeant.
Charged with rape and attempted rape by Metropolitan Toronto Police is Raymond Wallace, 31, of Brookbanks Road in Don Mills.
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Tracy Kundinger Murder
Person of Interest: Philip Young
February 2, 1980 - Toronto Star
Man jailed for trying to force woman into car
A man who tried to force a woman into his car at knife point has been sentenced to six months and placed on two years' probation.
Philip Young, 25, of Summerhill Rd. pleaded guilty earlier to a charge of assault with intent to commit an indictable offence and was sentenced yesterday by County Court Judge William Rogers.
Crown attorney Steve Howarth told the court people like Young threaten to ruin Metro's reputation for being a city with safe streets.
According to a police synopsis, a 25-year-old woman was walking home from a bus stop in the Don Mills Rd. and Lawrence Ave. E., area about 2:30 a.m. last February 10.
She refused to Young's invitation to give her a ride in his car and moments later he got out, grabbed her and produced a butter knife.
He held the knife first against her stomach and then near her throat as her ordered her to get into his car.
The woman dropped her briefcase and purse, ran into the middle of the road and flagged down a passing car.
At this point, Young handed her the purse and briefcase and told her he never had a knife. He got into his car and drove off.
The woman, "crying and shaking," got into the passerby's car and they followed Young and then went to a police station.
When police arrested him, Young said he had been drinking.
Person of Interest: Philip Young
February 2, 1980 - Toronto Star
Man jailed for trying to force woman into car
A man who tried to force a woman into his car at knife point has been sentenced to six months and placed on two years' probation.
Philip Young, 25, of Summerhill Rd. pleaded guilty earlier to a charge of assault with intent to commit an indictable offence and was sentenced yesterday by County Court Judge William Rogers.
Crown attorney Steve Howarth told the court people like Young threaten to ruin Metro's reputation for being a city with safe streets.
According to a police synopsis, a 25-year-old woman was walking home from a bus stop in the Don Mills Rd. and Lawrence Ave. E., area about 2:30 a.m. last February 10.
She refused to Young's invitation to give her a ride in his car and moments later he got out, grabbed her and produced a butter knife.
He held the knife first against her stomach and then near her throat as her ordered her to get into his car.
The woman dropped her briefcase and purse, ran into the middle of the road and flagged down a passing car.
At this point, Young handed her the purse and briefcase and told her he never had a knife. He got into his car and drove off.
The woman, "crying and shaking," got into the passerby's car and they followed Young and then went to a police station.
When police arrested him, Young said he had been drinking.
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Tracy Kundinger Murder
Person of Interest: Michael Kloc
July 17, 1974 - The Liberal
Thornhill Girl, 18, Escapes Midnight Roadside Attacker
An 18-year-old Thornhill girl motorist was stopped and dragged into a field in Markham near Buttonville at 11:15 pm by a would-be rapist. But she escaped serious harm when another came by and the youthful attacker fled in his (the attacker's) vehicle, police say.
Later, following an investigation, York Regional Police Detective Sergeant John Mocrhead and Detective Dick Witteman arrested a 16-year-old youth at an office at 2205 Midland Avenue, Toronto.
Held in custody for a bail hearing at Richmond Hill Court was Michael Kloc of 162 Bayview Fairways Drive, Thornhill. Police said Kloc was already out on bail and facing a May charge of rape in a Metro court. YRP charged Kloc with attempted rape and with impersonating a police officer.
The lone girl motorist told YRP her attacker followed her in a vehicle, pulled her over and stopped her, saying he was a police office. When he got her out of her car he pulled her into the field on Concession 5 road north of Highway 7.
He was struggling with her on the ground when the other motorist came along and frightened the attacker away. The girl fortunately suffered nothing more than minor abrasions, said police, who declined to reveal her name.
At a bail hearing, Provincial Judge Russell Pearce issued a detention order for Kloc until trial, ordering that the youth be brought back to the court from Don Jail weekly. A late August trial date was expected.
Note: Kloc was likely in jail at the time of Tracy's murder, but clearly as shown with him out already on bail while committing this crime, anything is possible in Canada's lax justice system. He can't be discounted until his whereabouts at the time nearly one year to the day later are confirmed. I haven't been able to find any further information on Kloc as of yet.
Kloc lived just over 1 km from Tracy and quite possible went to school or at least knew Tracy.
Below is a link to a Google Maps showing the locations of Tracy's murder and numerous sexual assaults and rapes in the vicinity from 1970-1980.
https://fusiontables.google.com/DataSource?docid=1S22zCp3xd_D8CCpcJnRKbF2Alzc4PB0Mn7N_M7DY#map:id=3
Person of Interest: Michael Kloc
July 17, 1974 - The Liberal
Thornhill Girl, 18, Escapes Midnight Roadside Attacker
An 18-year-old Thornhill girl motorist was stopped and dragged into a field in Markham near Buttonville at 11:15 pm by a would-be rapist. But she escaped serious harm when another came by and the youthful attacker fled in his (the attacker's) vehicle, police say.
Later, following an investigation, York Regional Police Detective Sergeant John Mocrhead and Detective Dick Witteman arrested a 16-year-old youth at an office at 2205 Midland Avenue, Toronto.
Held in custody for a bail hearing at Richmond Hill Court was Michael Kloc of 162 Bayview Fairways Drive, Thornhill. Police said Kloc was already out on bail and facing a May charge of rape in a Metro court. YRP charged Kloc with attempted rape and with impersonating a police officer.
The lone girl motorist told YRP her attacker followed her in a vehicle, pulled her over and stopped her, saying he was a police office. When he got her out of her car he pulled her into the field on Concession 5 road north of Highway 7.
He was struggling with her on the ground when the other motorist came along and frightened the attacker away. The girl fortunately suffered nothing more than minor abrasions, said police, who declined to reveal her name.
At a bail hearing, Provincial Judge Russell Pearce issued a detention order for Kloc until trial, ordering that the youth be brought back to the court from Don Jail weekly. A late August trial date was expected.
Note: Kloc was likely in jail at the time of Tracy's murder, but clearly as shown with him out already on bail while committing this crime, anything is possible in Canada's lax justice system. He can't be discounted until his whereabouts at the time nearly one year to the day later are confirmed. I haven't been able to find any further information on Kloc as of yet.
Kloc lived just over 1 km from Tracy and quite possible went to school or at least knew Tracy.
Below is a link to a Google Maps showing the locations of Tracy's murder and numerous sexual assaults and rapes in the vicinity from 1970-1980.
https://fusiontables.google.com/DataSource?docid=1S22zCp3xd_D8CCpcJnRKbF2Alzc4PB0Mn7N_M7DY#map:id=3
Snively
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Tracy Kundinger Murder
Person of Interest: John Ferguson
Person of Interest: John Ferguson
With all due respect Snively - wtf?
You have 4 people named here as a POI in this case.
JF in an article dated 15 Oct 1976
RW in an article dated 13 Jan 1978
PY in an article dated 2 Feb 1980
and MK going back to to 17 Jul 1974 - before this assault.
So what happened? Were some or all of the people you named found guilty or acquitted and let go for lack of evidence?
Were they all guilty of this assault?
I get that you seem to have found articles regarding this case that named a number of people - but naming them all at this point is an insult to them and many others imo. You need to state the outcome for each person or not bother naming them at all.
What happened? Do you know? What's your point here? Surely the list could go on and on - this may not break TOS, but it should.
I don't know any of the people named, but I would be pretty pizzed if I was a family member.
Jmo.
You have 4 people named here as a POI in this case.
JF in an article dated 15 Oct 1976
RW in an article dated 13 Jan 1978
PY in an article dated 2 Feb 1980
and MK going back to to 17 Jul 1974 - before this assault.
So what happened? Were some or all of the people you named found guilty or acquitted and let go for lack of evidence?
Were they all guilty of this assault?
I get that you seem to have found articles regarding this case that named a number of people - but naming them all at this point is an insult to them and many others imo. You need to state the outcome for each person or not bother naming them at all.
What happened? Do you know? What's your point here? Surely the list could go on and on - this may not break TOS, but it should.
I don't know any of the people named, but I would be pretty pizzed if I was a family member.
Jmo.
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I don't know why ever bother answering anything from Woodland, but I'll have patience. I actually had written a complete explanation, but I deleted it. I can't be bothered answering this person.
Good luck.
Good luck.
The Tracy Kundinger murder is referenced in this book.
[h=1]Unsolved: True Canadian Cold Cases[/h]By Robert J. Hoshowsky
https://books.google.ca/books?id=dU...DoAQghMAE#v=onepage&q=tracy kundinger&f=false
[h=1]Unsolved: True Canadian Cold Cases[/h]By Robert J. Hoshowsky
https://books.google.ca/books?id=dU...DoAQghMAE#v=onepage&q=tracy kundinger&f=false
So bottom line at the moment is no justification for the names thrown out here after all this time - and no charges.
Our only other toe to toe was EB - something about a tinfoil hat after a disagreement on opinions.
Explanations are what posters are here for. Please enlighten.
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All of the names were known by the family, including one who the family suspects is responsible. All the names were published in the articles as stated. Two of the names were widely known suspects. Kloc's whereabouts at the time of Tracy's murder, are unknown as I stated, unless you wish to check court records, but he is believed to be a suspect by some who knew Tracy. Another wasn't even known by York Regional police because of jurisdictional issues at the time but is currently being investigated. Other friends of the family believe an entire other person that knew Tracy was involved and have been in contact with the police.
If you want to keep the case stale, then fine. If you want to get things moving, and not just speculate, then do some research and put some alternatives out there. If providing an actual article in which names are publicly published violates terms of service, then delete them and go back to a blank slate of nothing new.
Woodland, how about you provide something instead of just acting like a troll.
If you want to keep the case stale, then fine. If you want to get things moving, and not just speculate, then do some research and put some alternatives out there. If providing an actual article in which names are publicly published violates terms of service, then delete them and go back to a blank slate of nothing new.
Woodland, how about you provide something instead of just acting like a troll.
Snipped for focus -
Some posters get away with name calling and putting words in the mouths of others, some don't. You appear to be one of the lucky ones.
I would like to see research here, trying to follow what has been posted so far.
We'll see.
So what happened to JF? He was arrested and charged in Oct 1976 according to this post with the murder of Tracy - a little over one year after her murder.
Found unfit to stand trial? And?
Maybe someone else should get that info? Should the original poster get that info? Idk.
Snively
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Woodland, please look at Post #9.
So RW was not actually charged in the TK murder - according to this article. Trusting it's a true article from The Star on this date.
The title of this post says he was a POI, but the body of the article does not say that.
This article on RW is 13 months after JF is said to be found unfit to stand trial for the TK murder.
So JF was exonerated? One cannot accuse RW just because JF was found unfit - JF must have had charges dropped. Not a question - it had to have happened.
So what's the status regarding RW? Was he eventually charged with the murder of TK - did LE ever name him a POI? This article does not.
Ditto above - name a POI in the case of TK by Snively, but not LE.
What's the status? Should someone else find that out?
Short and sweet - named by a WS posted as a POI, not by LE.
Name calling towards one asking questions is a smoke screen. Jmo.