Match! VA - Haymarket, WhtFem 468UFVA, 13-21, Feb'82 *Cynthia Gastelle*

The first picture on the unidentified female page looks uncannily like her age progression photo!

Tell me what you all think?


http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/468ufva.html

https://identifyus.org/cases/6485


The victim was discovered in February 12, 1982 on Bull Run Mountain in Haymarket, Prince William County, Virginia
Estimated Date of Death: between 1979 and 1981
Skeletal Remains

Vital Statistics


Estimated age: 13 - 21 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 4'9 - 5'2"; 100-120 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: Small and slight build.
Clothing: A heavy cardigan wool sweater with hood; Lee brand corduroy pants, size 27; a leather belt; a chiffon flower print blouse; a red Cricket bra; a green sock with orange stripes; a pair of size 5, brown, lace-up, Bass brand platform shoes; gold necklaces and a key ring with a house key. A disposable gas lighter.
Dentals: Available. She had orthodontic work.
DNA: Available in CODIS.
The skeletal remains and clothing were found in a heavily wooded area approximately 14 feet off of a fire trail, 500 yards from the 1100 block of Mountain Road.
The area the young girl's body was found in was known then as the quarry. Part of the 250-acre farm was a hangout for people who came there to party.

Here are the list of Ruleouts from Namus

Exclusions
The following people have been ruled out as being this decedent: First Name Last Name Year Of Birth State LKA
Ida Anderson 1937 Michigan
Barbara Cotton 1965 North Dakota
Lisa Dickinson 1967 California
Diane Dye 1965 California
Laura Flink 1947 Washington
Rachael Garden 1964 New Hampshire
Gina Hall 2008 Virginia
Nancy Kirkpatrick 1960 Montana
Lynn Luray 1948 California
Katherine Lyon 1964 Maryland
Sheila Lyon 1962 Maryland
Eleanor Parker 1962 Louisiana
Kathryn Quackenbush 1964 Maryland
Deborah Quimby 1963 Massachusetts
Angela Radar 1962 Virginia
Donnis Redman 1943 California
Simone Ridinger 1960 Massachusetts
Cheryl Scherer 1959 Missouri
Denise Sheehy 1954 New York
Lisa White 1961 Connecticut
Karen Zendrosky 1963 New Jersey

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Judy Sylvester is not on the Rule out List - Nor does she have DNA in Codis

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/sylvester_judy.html

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/684dfva.html

Missing since January 24, 1977 from Virginia Beach, Virginia. - UID was had winter like clothes on when found
Classification: Endangered Missing



Date Of Birth: July 8 1954
Age at Time of Disappearance: 22 years old - A year off
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'0", 100 lbs. - close in height
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; blue eyes.
Jewelry: Hand made necklace



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Circumstances of Disappearance
Judy was last seen in 1977. She did not show up for work or pick up her paycheck from the restaurant she worked at in Virginia Beach.



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Although they are both in Virginia, Haymarket is near Manassas (200 miles from Virginia Beach), but it still looks good enough to call it in.

Her photo aligns well with the lower-left of the six reconstructions

Incidentally, the reconstructions don't align well to each other. So one can't tell which one is accurate.

Wow... all those reconstructions look nothing alike. Judy does seem to bear some resemblance but as they are all so dissimilar, I suspect lots of people could. She does seem to have very strong, somewhat pointed, chiseled features though.

The recons seem to indicate a woman with paler skin and darker hair, like Judy.

Distance is about 200 miles - far enough for it not to be a case that would automatically be compared, but close enough to be plausible.

A slight negative is that the UID had on gold necklaces - Judy was missing with a handmade necklace, that I guess would not be gold. That's inconsequential though - it's not necessarily inconsistent, it's trivial and an odd detail for a person making a report to remember.

Size is right on and estimated date of death (1-3 years) is slightly too soon but not automatically a rule out.

She's at least as promising as some of the NAMUS rule outs - I'd say it's worthy of submission.

Cymro said:

She's at least as promising as some of the NAMUS rule outs - I'd say it's worthy of submission.

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You can say that again . I look at some of the possibles that show up in the NamUs exclusions lists, and I think "don't even tell me that my possible match isn't close enough".

CarlK90245 said:

You can say that again . I look at some of the possibles that show up in the NamUs exclusions lists, and I think "don't even tell me that my possible match isn't close enough".

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No kidding, I know that can't be an easy job, but high cheek bones, low cheek bones....makes me wonder was the facial bone structure even in tact?

I did know that the distance between Haymarket and Virigina Beach was over 200 miles. I put them in on Mapquest to see before I posted.

I think none of the pictures on the UID page from the Doe Network look alike either, so I thought it might be kind of hard to compare them through their appearances.

I am going to send an email to David Baldwin who is the Case Manager assigned to UID. I will let you know if I hear anything..

I think you should always submit a possible match if you feel there is some potential -- especially in cases like this. The reconstructions I've seen range from looking like cartoon caricatures, to resembling many other recons, to extremely accurate, to looking nothing at all like the ultimately identified person. So -- while looking at a recon can be helpful, I would never make a decision whether to pursue a match based on one. Sometimes they're helpful, sometimes -- I think -- they can cause people to not to pursue what could be something viable. Just my opinion --

Well I know the David Baldwin read my email, I put a read receipt on the email. I took a half of a day so I won't know if he responded until Monday. (I sent him the email from my work email.)

Revised Links:

Haymarket Jane Doe

DoeNetwork Case 468UFVA http://doenetwork.org/cases/468ufva.html
NamUs UP Case 6485 https://identifyus.org/cases/6485

Any reply on this one? Was Judy ever officially ruled out?

tia

Coincidentally, I was looking at Tina Kemp as a possible to Haymarket Jane Doe right when Tina's name came up on the Caledonia Jane Doe thread.

Tina Faye Kemp
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/k/kemp_tina.html



Her height and age are right, The timeline is consistent, and Haymarket VA is about 125 miles from Felton DE.

But her chin and jawline are what really get my attention (at least in comparison to the two recons above).

All four recons look very much different from each other, so it's difficult to determine which features to focus on.

As for negatives, I don't see any mention that TFK had orthodontic work, and there isn't a very good resemblance in an overall sense. But I've seen plenty of recons that have poor overall resemblance, even if they got the facial shape close.

Since Haymarket Jane Doe is in CODIS, we'll know soon enough whether this is a match because TFK's DNA profile is in the process of being entered to CODIS.

Kemp's face looks too rounded to me -- one thing all the recon sketches have in common is the high cheekbones and hollowed-out cheeks. But as you say, we'll know soon enough.

Cubby I forgot I even submitted this.. let me look and see.. I don't believe I got an email back.

They added a lot of missing girls to the rule out list. I will bold the new ruleouts:

Ida Anderson 1937 Michigan
Darcy Brown 1943 Ohio
Rosemary Buck 1953 New York
Sandra Butler 1962 Nevada
Barbara Cotton 1965 North Dakota
Eva Debruhl 1962 South Carolina
Lisa Dickinson 1967 California
Diane Dye 1965 California
Wendy Eaton 1959 Pennsylvania
Teresa Fittin 1957 Florida
Laura Flink 1947 Washington
Margaret Fox 1960 New Jersey
Rachael Garden 1964 New Hampshire
Cynthia Gooding 1958 Florida
Gina Hall 2008 Virginia
Charlotte Kinsey 1968 Oklahoma
Nancy Kirkpatrick 1960 Montana
Lynn Luray 1948 California
Katherine Lyon 1964 Maryland
Sheila Lyon 1962 Maryland
Deborah McCall 1963 Illinois
Angela Meeker 1965 Washington
Nadine O'dell 1958 Michigan
Judith ODonnell 1961 New York
Cinda Pallett 1968 Oklahoma
Eleanor Parker 1962 Louisiana
Laurie Partridge 1957 Washington
Robyn Pettinato 1960 Montana
Kathryn Quackenbush 1964 Maryland
Deborah Quimby 1963 Massachusetts
Angela Radar 1962 Virginia
Donnis Redman 1943 California
Simone Ridinger 1960 Massachusetts
Cheryl Scherer 1959 Missouri
Lynne Schulze Unknown Vermont
Dorothy Scofield 1964 Florida
Denise Sheehy 1954 New York
Edna Thorne 1960 Pennsylvania
Karen Tompkins 1950 California
Lisa White 1961 Connecticut
Lisa Wilson 1960 Texas
Karen Zendrosky 1963 New Jersey
Rachel Ziselman 1965 California

I never received an email from the case manager, so I am going to email the Medical Examiner. Thanks Cubby about this thread, I forgot about it...

I just sent any email to the Medical Examiner of the UID... Hopefully I will hear back, not counting on it though. It's so disappointing that so many of these UID's go unidentified because LE doesn't want to put the work into indentifying them!

Hi all — forgive me if you don't think this is a facial match. The stats and location are consistent. The missing girl is in NamUs but has neither dentals nor DNA. Thoughts?

Cynthia Joan Gastelle
The Doe Network: Case File 3010DFMD
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3010dfmd.html
Missing since April 3, 1980 from Takoma Park, Montgomery County, Maryland
Age at Time of Disappearance: 18 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'0"; 90 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. brown hair; brown eyes.

Unidentified White Female
The Doe Network: Case File 468UFVA
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/468ufva.html
The victim was discovered in February 12, 1982 on Bull Run Mountain in Haymarket, Prince William County, Virginia
Estimated Date of Death: between 1979 and 1981
Estimated age: 13 - 21 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 4'9 - 5'2"; 100-120 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: Small and slight build.

That looks like a good possibility to me.

zinc said:

Hi all — forgive me if you don't think this is a facial match. The stats and location are consistent. The missing girl is in NamUs but has neither dentals nor DNA. Thoughts?

Cynthia Joan Gastelle
The Doe Network: Case File 3010DFMD
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3010dfmd.html
Missing since April 3, 1980 from Takoma Park, Montgomery County, Maryland
Age at Time of Disappearance: 18 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'0"; 90 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. brown hair; brown eyes.

Unidentified White Female
The Doe Network: Case File 468UFVA
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/468ufva.html
The victim was discovered in February 12, 1982 on Bull Run Mountain in Haymarket, Prince William County, Virginia
Estimated Date of Death: between 1979 and 1981
Estimated age: 13 - 21 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 4'9 - 5'2"; 100-120 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: Small and slight build.

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Too bad we don't know if Cynthia had orthodontic work or not. She isn't listed on the Namus Rule out Page: https://identifyus.org/cases/6485/