Are the Ramseys involved or not?

Tadpole12 said:

Hi Ames, Those are very interesting observations.


I was wondering ...... now, with the new touch dna evidence, why the BPD would not be be able to access the Ramsey's phone records for that night ........given the scenario that the IDI may have spent hours in the Ramsey's home.

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Ames said:

Didn't they try to access those, and for some reason, it appeared as if there were NO calls made during the month of Dec? (If this is true...then you KNOW that cannot be right...of all of the months in the year, Dec. is the time that people would make the most calls, because of Christmas, and parties and such).

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Ames said:

Exactly! Patsy had rubber gloves, needles, syringes, alcohol swabs...etc..that she kept in one of the bathroom drawers...a drawer that was left partly open, the night of the murder. She was shown a picture of the drawer, and she said..."I don't know WHY that drawer would be open like that". DUHHHHH....she LEFT it open, in her haste...that's why. IMO...Patsy used those rubber gloves when writing that RN, that is why her prints are not on the paper. She never handed the RN to John to read, he never touched it at all...that is why HIS prints are not on the RN paper. (He already knew what it said, because IMO, he dictated most or all of it to her, why would he need to read it?) I also believe that RN was NEVER on that spiral staircase, at all.

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TinaD said:

Ames. I think the gloves also explain why it appeared that the flashlight batteries appeared to have been wiped. Hasn't it ever happened to you (not you specifically Ames), that you go to use a flashlight that hasn't been used for a while and you find that the batteries are flat? So you put new batteries in - and if you're wearing gloves, hey presto - no fingerprints!

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Ames said:

Didn't they try to access those, and for some reason, it appeared as if there were NO calls made during the month of Dec? (If this is true...then you KNOW that cannot be right...of all of the months in the year, Dec. is the time that people would make the most calls, because of Christmas, and parties and such).

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Ames said:

Didn't they try to access those, and for some reason, it appeared as if there were NO calls made during the month of Dec? (If this is true...then you KNOW that cannot be right...of all of the months in the year, Dec. is the time that people would make the most calls, because of Christmas, and parties and such).

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DeeDee249 said:

They did try. They needed a search warrant, and Hunter refused. About a year later, they did manage to get cell and home phone records for the month of December ONLY. The cell phone records were BLANK. No calls made in December 1996. Right.
IMHO if any incriminating calls were made that night, it would be the cell phones that were used, not the home phone anyway.

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DeeDee249 said:

I always thought it suspicious that nothing was mentioned about phone calls that were RECEIVED that month on the phones. It's one thing for the cell carrier to say (fraudulently) that there were no calls made, but what about calls that came in to the phones that night? Specifically between 10pm and 6am.

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TinaD said:

Ames. I think the gloves also explain why it appeared that the flashlight batteries appeared to have been wiped. Hasn't it ever happened to you (not you specifically Ames), that you go to use a flashlight that hasn't been used for a while and you find that the batteries are flat? So you put new batteries in - and if you're wearing gloves, hey presto - no fingerprints!

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madeleine said:

Dunno where I read it but I think it was det.Arndt that said it,Patsy didn't move from the couch when John was coming out of the basement screaming.
I mean,come on,in that situation,you hear your husband scream and you don't even get up?Everything about their behaviour that morning tells me that they knew very well where JB is.
And when John noticed that broken window,his instinct didn't tell him to check further?Yeah right.
Most of what we see in those crime scene photos is what John&Patsy wanted everybody to see,Steve T.always pointed that out and he was right.The window,the suitcase and so on were photographed after the crime scene was (probably) staged.It's not real!(Reminder for Lou Smit)

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DeeDee249 said:

They did try. They needed a search warrant, and Hunter refused. About a year later, they did manage to get cell and home phone records for the month of December ONLY. The cell phone records were BLANK. No calls made in December 1996. Right.
IMHO if any incriminating calls were made that night, it would be the cell phones that were used, not the home phone anyway.

I always thought it suspicious that nothing was mentioned about phone calls that were RECEIVED that month on the phones. It's one thing for the cell carrier to say (fraudulently) that there were no calls made, but what about calls that came in to the phones that night? Specifically between 10pm and 6am.

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Tadpole12 said:

Ransom note: http://www.statementanalysis.com/ramseynote/

IMO As the note progresses the 'french flavour' diminishes.


First Page:

1. "Mr.[Monsieur] http://www.wordreference.com/fren/monsieur Ramsey.
2. Listen [ Ecoutez] carefully!
ecoutez isn't usually said with a 'qualifier', no need, but it has compound forms, bien ecoutez ...
http://www.wordreference.com/fren/ecoutez & ecoutez



We are a group of individuals [un groupe d'individus],

source: headline http://www.casafree.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3511

3. a small [ petit ,~e ], little, small http://www.wordreference.com/fren/petite

foreign faction [faction , feminine noun] http://www.wordreference.com/fren/faction

We xx (xx = 'ne', see post 655)

respect [respecter, transitive verb] your bussiness
4. but not the country that it serves. At this time [Maintenant ,adverb = now= at this point in time] http://www.wordreference.com/fren/maintenant,

we have
5. your daughter in our posession [possession, feminine noun; compound form = en possession] http://www.wordreference.com/fren/possession ,.

She is safe and unharmed *, [safe :http://www.wordreference.com/enfr/safe
sauf: http://www.wordreference.com/fren/sauf
sain: http://www.wordreference.com/fren/sain
sound: http://www.wordreference.com/enfr/sound]

6. if you want her to see 1997, you must follow our instructions to
7. the letter.
8. You will withdraw $118,000.00 from your account. $100,000 will be
9. in $100 bills and the remaining $18,000 in $20 bills. Make sure
10. that you bring an adequate size


attache [ attache, feminine noun; attache = anglification of porte-docements] http://www.wordreference.com/fren/attache


to the bank. When you get
11. home you will put the money in a brown paper bag. I will call you
12. between 8 and 10 am tomorrow to instruct you on delivery. The
13. delivery will be exhausting so I advise you to be rested. If we
14. monitor you getting the money early, we might call you early to


15. arrange [arranger, transitive verb ] http://www.wordreference.com/fren/arrange

an earlier delivery of the



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money and hence a earlier
16. delivery pickup of your daughter.

17. Any deviation [deviation, feminine noun: English: diversion - perversion ] http://www.wordreference.com/fren/deviation





of my instructions will result in the immediate
18. execution of your daughter. You will also be denied her remains


19. for proper burial. The two gentlemen [Monsieur, English: gentleman ]
http://www.wordreference.com/fren/Monsieur%20

watching over [ garder, transitive verb, English:guard - watch ] http://www.wordreference.com/fren/garder

your daughter
20. do not particularly like you so I advise you not to provoke them.
21. Speaking to anyone about your situation, such as Police, F.B.I.,
22. etc., will result in your daughter being beheaded. If we catch you
23. talking to a stray dog, she dies. If you alert bank authorities, she
24. dies. If the money is in any way marked or tampered with, she dies.
25. You will be scanned for electronic devices and if any are found, she
26. dies. You can try to deceive us but be warned that we are familiar
27. with Law enforcement countermeasures and tactics. You stand a 99%
28. chance of killing your daughter if you try to out smart us. Follow
29. our instructions



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and you stand a 100% chance of getting her back.
30. You and your family are under constant scrutiny as well as the
31. authorities. Don't try to grow a brain John. You are not the only
32. fat cat around so don't think that killing will be difficult. Don't
33. underestimate us John. Use that good southern common sense of yours.
34. It is up to you now John!
35. Victory!
36. S.B.T.C."




Ransom Note, image: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ransom1.html

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Tadpole12 said:

Hi Hotyh, hadn't you mentioned the use of archaic expressions within the note?
I'll reread.

I wanted to add that the expression used ie talking to stray dogs, that's not a phrase/image used in the french language, as far as my experience, no comparable phrase in French.

so IMO a frenchman would never not talk to a stray dog, but an englishman would. j/k

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Tadpole12 said:

Hi Hotyh, hadn't you mentioned the use of archaic expressions within the note?

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Ames said:

Now where it would start getting weird, is if the stray dog talked back. That would be just downright creepy.

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Tadpole12 said:

for Hotyh, for you to peruse?

French socialists: http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php...socialiste&fulltext=Rechercher&ns0=1&redirs=0


The belge,?
Weren't the terrorists in the 'Bruce Willis' movie 'Die Hard' from Belgium?

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