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LOL dexter.... so if RH and ST are in your top 3... who is the other?

I'm still unsure of who I think did it.... someone else on that property? RH? ST? Martinez?
 
https://www.doj.state.wi.us/news-releases/fassbender-receives-award-investigative-work

"The Wisconsin Association of Homicide Investigator's presented the Meritorious Service Award to Thomas Fassbender, Mark Wiegert of the Calumet County Sheriff's Department and the Wisconsin State Patrol at their annual conference. The award is given to a group of members or a team of investigators from a department or from assisting departments who demonstrate the highest degree of professionalism in their respective positions during an investigation or during a multijurisdictional investigation. Fassbender and Wiegert were co-lead investigators on the case. The Wisconsin State Patrol's Technical Reconstruction Unit was recognized for their work involving the forensics mapping of the scene."

Are you kidding me??!!! :tantrum: :banghead:

I am confused on what forensics mapping of the scene is being congratulated, as there was NO forensics mapping of the scene done that I could see. Am I wrong, in that view? Isn't placing grids, and taking photos and measurements of cremains in situ a part of forensics mapping??? And they got awards for the crap they pulled in these cases!!! :puke:

Edit: for clarification.
 
Jaiddie said:
I have one more to add that is the strongest thing to lead me to believe that ALL the evidence was planted. I also do not believe that anyone other than LE planted anything. That does not mean I think LE killed her (though, that is not completely off the table for me), but that something happened to her and LE discovered her at a time they REALLY needed to take SA down.

12) SA would not have committed a murder when everything in his life was looking up to the degree it was. He was in the middle of a $36 million civil suit. He probably wouldn't have gotten that much, but he would have gotten a pretty penny still. He was being paraded around by influential people, such as gov's and such, they were naming a bill after him. He had dinners planned for him (such as the Innocence Project dinner he was scheduled to go to, the one that LE mocked he wouldn't be going to while they were searching his house).

There is waaaaaaay too much wrong with these cases on a whole, for it to be coincidence. You do not deviate from so many protocol's as they did without it all being a stinky pile of fish. Their mistake was that they felt safe enough to do all this without being able to look into the future and see just how thoroughly everything about these cases would be dissected and examined by so many capable people. Their complete arrogance is what set them up for this fall they are now feeling and I believe Zellner will be bringing this whole house of cards down in the near future. IMHO. I, for one, cannot wait to see how this all plays out, as my husband thinks I am a complete nutjob right now, because this is ALL I talk about. I am looking forward to the day I can go back to being just my normal self and start focusing more on my everyday life. He is looking forward to that day too, LOL.
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I keep reading everywhere how SA wouldn't have gotten all of the $36 million dollars ....yeah...that is understood. Of course, he wouldn't have gotten the entire amount. Not even close, imo. However, with that said at the end of the day he would have gotten, like you stated, "a pretty penny" of that amount. It is my opinion, that SA could have gotten a small fraction of that amount and it would have been life changing for him. Life changing in many ways.

I too believe SA to be innocent. I was on the fence for quite a long time. Though I've always thought he more than deserves a new trial. Knowing what I know today I would never vote guilty ..not even close. I drew that conclusion not by watching various programs in the media and not by watching MAM but through carefully reading the transcripts from his trial.

I can't even get started on all the hinky, stinky that I believe went on with LE during their "investigation." Even though I've had interest in this case for a long time - even to this day - I get angry when I think about it. It infuriates me that so many people in LE (and others) got away with so much in this "investigation"....the very people that are supposed to serve and protect....it actually makes me sick.

I don't know SA or his family in least. So, I have no dog in this fight. And I have zero hesitation to vote guilty and send a murdering criminal away and off the streets....but I have to hear and see reasonable evidence that the person that is being accused is, in fact, the person responsible. I've followed many, many cases through the years and I've never seen a case in any shape, way or form like this. If SA really did murder TH - based on what was presented at his trial - there is absolutely no way I could have voted guilty.

(You and me both ...when it comes to my husband - he keeps asking me "did you get a job some how, some way or something to work on this because you're very devoted.." lol ....Nope. Shoot. I wish. Then, I could really throw myself into it.

I was thrilled when Zellner came on board. I'm hopeful for SA. I'm also hopeful for BD (who, of course, I think is innocent.)

^^^All the above is MOO.^^^
 
I'm here because I lean more towards innocence than guilt.

I don't think it's farfetched to think LE planted evidence. I can think of a few cases in my city alone that had police misconduct in it (including planting evidence, coerced confessions, etc)

What I think happened was TH was killed by someone else (not sure who but RH and ST would be my guesses, I don't think she was killed by LE) and the police instantly thought SA did it and they had some circumstantial evidence (they talked on the phone, she saw him that day at his house) but didn't have enough for an arrest so planted things like the key and blood.

Personally I am discounting the bullet fragment because it was contaminated by the DNA specialist and do not think it's reliable.

If it happened the way BD said it did, there would be so much evidence in the bedroom. DNA from everyone (BD, SA and TH) in the form of blood, hair, sweat, bodily fluids and there would also be rope fibres, but there was nothing except the key. Especially if they slit her throat in the bedroom and cut her hair (I think that's what BD said they did?) I don't believe SA can clean up a bedroom so well that he got every strand of hair and all the rope fibres out of the room yet didn't crush the car.
 
I think he's innocent. I have to agree with his new attorney, guilty men don't get excited over forensic testing that may prove their innocence. I would think a guilty man would actually shun further forensic testing since that it would probably achieve the opposite.
 
It's pretty obvious i feel like he's 90% innocent. This is almost like an old western. The Averys, Dasseys and Jandas vs The Petersens Hermanns and Kocoureks. The law run the town and the other guys are the outlaws so to speak. Now SA doesn't have a great reputation, given his past history he's not a "great" guy but the question here wasn't if he's a guilty or innocent of being a good guy. Just if he's guilty or not guilty of the murder of TH.
That being said I'm almost certain he was framed/evidence planted. Now you can plant evidence to ensure a conviction either way guilty or not guilty, sure.
So in the other thread there was a link to the complaint filed by Petersen about the cat burning incident. It freaked
me out so bad I had this "Penelope Garcia" kind of moment where I had to step back from posting. Not because
of the cat (which is sad and disturbing and all) but how it was eerily similar to the disposing of TH in the bonfire.
I can almost see the wheels turning in their minds of LE how the narrative of this all going down is going to mirror the cat burning. In Feb 06 SA hires DS and GB. Two top notch lawyers. The repercussions of this was the lead investigators singling out a Dassey or a Janda to feel guilty and "confess" to being a party to the bonfire. Such as that happened in the cat burning incident in the 80s. Then from there they have to get the rape (because they were right about SA all along) and the shooting (because the experts will testify to to skull defects) in play. Now you have a best selling story for the DA (Special Prosecutor) to tell the media....I mean the jury. The county will believe it because of the whole cat incident thing because it's not hard to believe animal cruelty can lead to human cruelty. It's this part that actually gives me pause about SA But on the whole I think that LE had lot more to gain by framing him then for him to gain by murdering someone. So in short I come somewhere near 60% RH, 10 % ST, BoD, 10% SA, 10% Martinez and 10% LE actually did it. And the people on top called the shots of how to frame.
 
I'm also thinking re: possible planting of evidence.

Maybe the LE didn't want to be made a fool of again (after the rape case) after they suspected him so they planted the evidence to "ensure" there would be enough for a conviction? (or enough that someone would have some doubts about his innocence) Just a thought.

I agree that a guilty man would not want more forensic evidence dug up because it would definitely link them. Although SA shouldn't have to worry because he did such a good job getting every piece of hair and rope fibres out of the room. :crazy:
 
hoshizora said:
I'm also thinking re: possible planting of evidence.

Maybe the LE didn't want to be made a fool of again (after the rape case) after they suspected him so they planted the evidence to "ensure" there would be enough for a conviction? (or enough that someone would have some doubts about his innocence) Just a thought.

I agree that a guilty man would not want more forensic evidence dug up because it would definitely link them. Although SA shouldn't have to worry because he did such a good job getting every piece of hair and rope fibres out of the room. :crazy:
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I have a similar view. I do think LE planted evidence, but I think they did it with the belief that they had the right man. I don't think LE framed Steven Avery thinking he was innocent. The misconduct, if it did occur, was as you said - to make sure they got a conviction. Make sure it sticks.

Oh.. and yeah, funny that. That garage is such a clutter of mess, there's no way you get rid of all that blood/hair/fibers in a space like that. Even a professional/technician would be challenged.
 
The prosecution is wrong about where Teresa was shot (in the garage). There's no doubt in my mind about that. No evidence in the garage ... likely no crime committed there. JMHO
 
One thing I'd like to bring up - a lot of people who think Steven is guilty talk about a cut on his finger. I mean ... the guy worked in a junk yard, he messed around with cars, towing cars - worked with his hands. I had a BF who was a car mechanic; cuts on his hands all the time, in fact, rarely did he not have some sort of injury on his hands or fingers - be it a cut, bruise, scratch, torn fingernails, etc.
 
galaxygal said:
The prosecution is wrong about where Teresa was shot (in the garage). There's no doubt in my mind about that. No evidence in the garage ... likely no crime committed there. JMHO
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right! and if there is no evidence of her being shot in the garage.... how did a bullet get in there with her DNA?

The bullet could have been in there.... the test showing it had TH's DNA was contaminated or the bullet was placed in there by LE with TH's DNA, or the bullet was placed in there by LE with no DNA and it got contaminated in the lab.

No evidence of someone being shot in the garage ..... and then a magic bullet showing up with DNA on it? I mean... it kinda feeds the theory that they planted evidence, doesn't it?

This isn't even mentioning the fact that the bullet probably should not have exited her skull if it entered according to everything I have read. I am not sure why this was not mentioned or brought up during the trial, on either side. Well, I can see why the prosecution wouldn't bring it up... but the defense?
 
missy1974 said:
right! and if there is no evidence of her being shot in the garage.... how did a bullet get in there with her DNA?

The bullet could have been in there.... the test showing it had TH's DNA was contaminated or the bullet was placed in there by LE with TH's DNA, or the bullet was placed in there by LE with no DNA and it got contaminated in the lab.

No evidence of someone being shot in the garage ..... and then a magic bullet showing up with DNA on it? I mean... it kinda feeds the theory that they planted evidence, doesn't it?

This isn't even mentioning the fact that the bullet probably should not have exited her skull if it entered according to everything I have read. I am not sure why this was not mentioned or brought up during the trial, on either side. Well, I can see why the prosecution wouldn't bring it up... but the defense?
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What speaks volumes is that the bullet fragment was not found until 3/2/06, the day after BD's "confession". Why was that garage not thoroughly scoured shortly after 11/5/05 ?
 
so uhmmm sitting here watching CNN, they are discussing the terrorist couple and they mention that they haven't found a hard drive yet.... my husband, who has not watched MaM, but has listened to me for hours talk about it, says "have they tried shaking his dresser". It made me laugh lol
 
I am not sure about posting rules but, here goes as I do not know how to search for previous years of news articles:

This is an enlightening and mind-blowing (kinda getting use to this when it comes to these cases...what ISN"T mind-blowing,smh) discussion I saw and wanted to share here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMur...sly_attempt_by_halbachs_family_and_attorneys/

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Herald Times Reporter
June 1, 2006
Letter to the editor: Legal system is crooked with regards to Avery
What kind of cockeyed legal hocus-pocus is this?
On the one hand, a judge rules that a man no longer qualifies for a public defender, due to the fact that he has funds to defend himself.
Now we have a lawsuit, which is trying to prevent those funds from being used for his defense. The lawsuit is based on the pre-jury-trial supposition that Steve Avery is guilty of murder.
Supposedly in the American system of jurisprudence, a man is innocent until proven guilty. But Steve Avery's guilt or innocence has yet to be determined in a court of law.
Such a lawsuit should not even be allowed consideration until after the jury trial has been completed. This is unless of course, everybody's minds are already made up and the jury trial is nothing more than a big show.
May God help anybody who is ever caught up in a crooked legal system like this. "



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Jaiddie - Interesting info but I'm not sure if this is allowed. Generally websites like this are off limits as it's hearsay and I can't find anything more about this other than this post. Can't find the newspaper article nor can I find anywhere that indicates the Halbach's attempted to freeze the funds.

The only thing I have found is the wrongful death lawsuit papers filed on Feb 15th, 2006.
http://overthrow.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Complaint-Halbach-v.-Avery.pdf

And papers filed by the Halbach family in regards to changing the venue, which they did not want.
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...-Re-Defendants-Motion-for-Change-of-Venue.pdf
 
Okay so I've done a bit of digging and this was all I could find.

http://www.postcrescent.com/story/n...gainst-request-control-averys-funds/78438630/

Judge rules against request for control of Avery's funds

A Manitowoc County Circuit judge said Thursday that although the timing of Steven Avery's transfer of funds to his attorney seems suspicious, Avery did nothing wrong.

That was Judge Darryl Deets' response to a motion filed by Teresa Halbach's family in an attempt to have a third party control Avery's assets.

Patrick Coffey of Appleton, representing the Halbach family, contends that Avery illegally transferred all of his assets to his attorney, Dean Strang of Madison. Strang is representing Avery in the criminal and civil matters.

Coffey asked Deets to place Avery's assets in receivership and to require Strang to request the funds as needed.

"The timing is suspicious," Deets said in his written ruling, "but it is equally plausible it was based on Avery's receipt of his settlement, his immediate loss of public defender services and his negotiation to obtain competent substitute counsel just before the Halbach suit was filed."

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Coffey also said Avery illegally transferred the funds because the transfer occurred three days after Avery was sued in civil court. State law prohibits the transfer of funds after being named as a defendant in a civil complaint, according to court records.

Avery won $400,000 in a wrongful conviction civil suit against Manitowoc County, and was deemed ineligible for public defense and hired Strang, and later Jerome Buting of Brookfield, as his defense counsel.

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"Other courts recognized payment of attorney fees, for future services, involves fair value and not a fraudulent transfer," Deets said in his ruling.

So from what I understand, they filed a wrongful death lawsuit against SA, then 3 days later SA transferred his remaining $240,000 to his defense team. They claimed it was fraudulent because of the timing and it is illegal to transfer funds after a lawsuit has been filed so they wanted control, but the judge ruled against it. So I'd say people making the leap/connection and saying "the Halbachs didn't want him to use the funds for his defense" are accurate as they were seeking to take the money used as a retainer away.

Honestly I'm more shocked at the fact that they filed a civil lawsuit before the trial had started and before they knew the defenses arguments or the totality of the evidence.
How would he be liable for her death if it hasn't even been to court yet?
 
Jaiddie said:
I am not sure about posting rules but, here goes as I do not know how to search for previous years of news articles:

This is an enlightening and mind-blowing (kinda getting use to this when it comes to these cases...what ISN"T mind-blowing,smh) discussion I saw and wanted to share here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMur...sly_attempt_by_halbachs_family_and_attorneys/

"
Herald Times Reporter
June 1, 2006
Letter to the editor: Legal system is crooked with regards to Avery
What kind of cockeyed legal hocus-pocus is this?
On the one hand, a judge rules that a man no longer qualifies for a public defender, due to the fact that he has funds to defend himself.
Now we have a lawsuit, which is trying to prevent those funds from being used for his defense. The lawsuit is based on the pre-jury-trial supposition that Steve Avery is guilty of murder.
Supposedly in the American system of jurisprudence, a man is innocent until proven guilty. But Steve Avery's guilt or innocence has yet to be determined in a court of law.
Such a lawsuit should not even be allowed consideration until after the jury trial has been completed. This is unless of course, everybody's minds are already made up and the jury trial is nothing more than a big show.
May God help anybody who is ever caught up in a crooked legal system like this. "



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All the dates the poster mentions in the post.... coincide with the dates on the Wisconsin Court Case site...

https://wcca.wicourts.gov/pager.do;...EA77&offset=0&sortColumn=0&sortDirection=DESC

it starts in Calumet county... than transfers to Manitowoc County.

Interesting to note... it was before BD's confession.
 
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