Indefensible: The Missing Truth - Michael Griesbach

missy1974 said:

:wagon: proudfootz

I didn't know about the 3rd book LOL I put MG in the pile with Dan O'D., their opinions are riddled with misinformation, like your post in the DO'D thread pointed out ;-)

Glad you are back Safeguard and :wave: hello to everyone else! BCA, don't feel bad, I have barely thought about Christmas, I have been so busy!

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dexter75 said:

Hi Missy! Hi BCA! Hi everyone else!
I find myself doing more and more shopping online��
And one year already??
Wowzers! I can't believe it's been a year ( almost) since we started on this thread��
Seems like it's taking forever that's for sure!
I've never been as obsessed with a case like I have this one��

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Safeguard said:

I'm with ya on the online shopping! Not only is it easier & cheaper, ( if you factor in gas & Advil!) But you can find nice items that the stores don't even carry. I do almost all my shopping online. I hate even going into a grocery store now.

I can believe it's been a year. I check in almost daily, skip a few days here and there, it feels like forever that I've had this case on my mind...Imagine what it's like doing life for chit you didn't even do? OMG!

And while Steven Avery reads like an unpleasant sort of person, ( I don't actually know him.) last I heard you don't get life in prison for that. And his twin son's seem like decent enough people, they paid a heavy toll also...So many people doing time on trumped up charges... I've looked into it some... It's amazing. Boggles the mind. And just like KZ once said, The cases all look similar! So there's a kind of sick formula to frame jobs... And yet it just keeps on happening.

It's sad but true, what Strang said, they won't get justice, the best they can hope for is to regain their liberty.

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Hoosen_Fenger said:

I get that.

But. (and it is a 'but', not a 'however.') That is the issue with all documentaries. There are countless other examples I've seen in the past that actually, missed out really important facts. (I see you are in Australia so might not be familiar with Bloody Sunday, or the Hillsborough Disaster, but there have been supposed documentaries about both, which presented a totally false narrative, which in both cases, has been proven to be false.)

As your for point on the threats, yes mate, you are absolutely bang on the money with that. How ridiculous that someone with no connection, would suggest they would wish harm on someone that had only been accused of wrong doing by the defence in a court case.

MaM has served a purpose for its makers, that is for sure. They have made millions, as will Zellner, Nirider and the gang. Even Duffin is in on the attention seeking, as anyone could see Dassey was not getting released earlier this month.

And it has got us discussing it from our armchairs. If only we got paid for it.

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Limaes said:

Hallelujah and thank you Michael Griesbach!

Tried posting the link but it took me back to my own profile. His name is easily searched.

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Limaes said:

Hallelujah and thank you Michael Griesbach!

Tried posting the link but it took me back to my own profile. His name is easily searched.

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missy1974 said:

Yep, Hallelujah.... showing just how unprofessional he is as a sitting Prosecutor in Manitowoc County and a board member with the Wisconsin Innocence Project (who has had to issue a statement separating themselves from him and have made it clear they do not share his views).

I wonder if he feels that way about the lawyers who work at the Innocence Project who work tirelessly trying to exonerate the wrongfully convicted?

And then I find it highly ironic that he talks about the system... they very system that convicted SA and BD in the first place. The same system that convicted SA the first time wrongly.

JMO

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Madeleine74 said:

I read his book about the case. It opened my eyes to a number of things I didn't know...things that were in the case files. One huge 'gotcha' for me was learning to what extent the filmmakers spliced trial footage to make it look like Lenk, Colburn and other state witnesses were trying to not answer a question or give a different answer altogether. They did this not only with trial footage, but also the phone call(s) from Colburn. I knew there was manipulation in that miniseries, but I didn't know those 2 filmmakers were actually creating false testimony. There were others things too, not just that. The book was a fairly quick read. I stayed up late one night and finished it because I couldn't put it down.

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missy1974 said:

Does anyone have any specific examples of how the testimony was spliced? I know I have read that Colborn's expression was used more than once, and I know the call was shortened (it didn't include the beginning of the call), but I would love to see where testimony was spliced and have testimony that is not true at all. Might have to go look for transcripts of both.

The trial transcripts don't lie. I've read them, as many here have. The transcripts have been out for about a year now, I think the majority rely on the trial transcripts and not the series. But I'm still interested in knowing where it was spliced to show different answers. I have read posts from MG where he admits to not seeing or reading things regarding the 2005 case, I wouldn't take much of what he says as truth, but again JMO

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missy1974 said:

Yep, Hallelujah.... showing just how unprofessional he is as a sitting Prosecutor in Manitowoc County and a board member with the Wisconsin Innocence Project (who has had to issue a statement separating themselves from him and have made it clear they do not share his views).

I wonder if he feels that way about the lawyers who work at the Innocence Project who work tirelessly trying to exonerate the wrongfully convicted?

And then I find it highly ironic that he talks about the system... they very system that convicted SA and BD in the first place. The same system that convicted SA the first time wrongly.

JMO

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Madeleine74 said:

I read his book about the case. It opened my eyes to a number of things I didn't know...things that were in the case files. One huge 'gotcha' for me was learning to what extent the filmmakers spliced trial footage to make it look like Lenk, Colburn and other state witnesses were trying to not answer a question or give a different answer altogether. They did this not only with trial footage, but also the phone call(s) from Colburn. I knew there was manipulation in that miniseries, but I didn't know those 2 filmmakers were actually creating false testimony. There were others things too, not just that. The book was a fairly quick read. I stayed up late one night and finished it because I couldn't put it down.

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Limaes said:

Speaking for myself, I have no fear. I understand he is stating his opinion and judging by the messages he has been sent, people are getting riled up about it. JMO

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IDK said:

Really? I can't imagine anyone getting riled up by him. Strange, IMO.

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Limaes said:

Hallelujah and thank you Michael Griesbach!

Tried posting the link but it took me back to my own profile. His name is easily searched.

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