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Will RC's HS girlfriend's rape story be admissible testimony in the trial? She also hinted in a Good Morning America interview recently that he used other means of control when they were dating (choking, beating???) but said LE has asked her not to comment in detail. Does there have to be proof (like photos of bruises sustained) of any other means he used or would her testimony be enough (if it's even allowed)?
 
Thanks Noway! And, thank you for catching my mistake!

It looks like RC was interviewed either the 9th or 10th? I think by the 11th, the same info about the FBI was being repeated.
 
Emily Booth said:
Thanks Noway! And, thank you for catching my mistake!

It looks like RC was interviewed either the 9th or 10th? I think by the 11th, the same info about the FBI was being repeated.
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It's my belief, based on what I found today, that September 9 was their interview (LE saw him cleaning up); September 10 was the polygraph (of several people who'd been in building) and by September 11, media reports were talking about a person of interest who had scratches, bruises, etc., and who had failed the polygraph. LOL and I know we're not supposed to post "I thinks" but not one dang reporter could finish a sentence with "was interviewed by FBI on _____ and failed a polygraph on September _____." :rolleyes:

And just so I have them where I can find them ... I broke the link so the video isn't actually showing (at least I hope that works)

FBI Helping In Search of Missing Girl
On Thursday, September 10, FBI searched Annie Le's off-campus apartment.
http://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=XtBVmXOvUjg&feature=related

Bloody clothing found in ceiling tiles on September 12.
http://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=XtBVmXOvUjg&feature=related

Police news conference on body found
http://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=UXeHXvttArE&feature=channel
Body found September 13; assuming it is Annie. Introduces various law enforcement types working on case. No further comment.
 
New question! And, if you made it thru my very looooong post at the evidence thread, you'll know why!

Did RC play softball Sun Sept 6 and Wed Sept 9?
 
PatientOne said:
Will RC's HS girlfriend's rape story be admissible testimony in the trial? She also hinted in a Good Morning America interview recently that he used other means of control when they were dating (choking, beating???) but said LE has asked her not to comment in detail. Does there have to be proof (like photos of bruises sustained) of any other means he used or would her testimony be enough (if it's even allowed)?
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Is this the only relationship Ray Clark had besides the woman he is dating? Not to make light of abuses, but do we know at what stage in the relationship this alleged rape occurred? Were they in the midst of it? Was there friction between the two. I doubt it would be allowed because it happened many years earlier, and it sounds like a case of he said she said. Did they do a rape kit?
 
Shlock Homes said:
Is this the only relationship Ray Clark had besides the woman he is dating? Not to make light of abuses, but do we know at what stage in the relationship this alleged rape occurred? Were they in the midst of it? Was there friction between the two. I doubt it would be allowed because it happened many years earlier, and it sounds like a case of he said she said. Did they do a rape kit?
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What does 'stage in a relationship' have to do with being raped?
 
When did the police actually start looking for her body?

From various articles around the internet including the one below, it sounds like they didn't start searching for her body in the chases until they got the blueprints, and they seem to point to Saturday. Am I to understand that from Wed to Fri, they didn't look in any of the wall chases in the basement?

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/l/annie_le/index.html

"Four days after her disappearance, the police reportedly found bloody clothes above ceiling tiles in the lab building on Amistad. Armed with blueprints, investigators continued searching the building for clues"

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/national_world&id=7012062

"On Saturday, investigators took what appeared to be blueprints to the building."
 
Shlock Homes said:
When did the police actually start looking for her body?

From various articles around the internet including the one below, it sounds like they didn't start searching for her body in the chases until they got the blueprints, and they seem to point to Saturday. Am I to understand that from Wed to Fri, they didn't look in any of the wall chases in the basement?

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/l/annie_le/index.html

"Four days after her disappearance, the police reportedly found bloody clothes above ceiling tiles in the lab building on Amistad. Armed with blueprints, investigators continued searching the building for clues"

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/national_world&id=7012062

"On Saturday, investigators took what appeared to be blueprints to the building."
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In the beginning, it was a missing person's case. They were not looking for a body. But after viewing surveillance videos, there was no evidence that Annie Le had left the building. They had no evidence that she was a victim of foul play.

At the point where they found bloody clothing (Saturday) they began to suspect foul play. When they found her body, it became a homicide.

The FBI spokesperson (Kim M.) said that evidence had been found, but that evidence had not yet been connected to Annie. And also said that the FBI was still not ready to determine whether this was a missing person's case or a case of foul play.

And then LE announced that a body had been found and while the body had not been officially IDd yet by ME, they were assuming it was Annie Le.

In answer to your Q, once they found the bloody clothing and suspected foul play, they looked again. I've read conflicting reports about whether the dogs brought in at first were S&R (vs. cadaver) dogs. S&R dogs would not have found her scent nor would they have smelled decomp. The dogs brought in on Sunday were cadaver dogs, and based on what I read, it was a dog who alerted to the place where she was found.

Here is evidence thread where we discussed this. (Might not be on right page ...)
 
That is what is confusing about the status of the case. If they brought in dogs earlier, and they were confused with the scent because of the animals, when did that occur? Fri? or Sat? When they bring in cadaver dogs, I think that means they suspect homicide.

If she was not seen leaving the building on Tuesday, what would lead them to think she wasn't dead and somewhere in the lab? I haven't been able to get an adequate answer from anyone as to whether someone could exit that lab area without being seen on surveillance. Or was the camera disabled during a particular time, which led them to wonder if she had exited the building or was moved to another part of the building?
 
Remember this is not a discussion thread. It is a Q&A for objective ,factual type questions as opposed to opinions. This thread is for reference.

thanks.
 
Shlock Homes said:
That is what is confusing about the status of the case. If they brought in dogs earlier, and they were confused with the scent because of the animals, when did that occur? Fri? or Sat? When they bring in cadaver dogs, I think that means they suspect homicide.

If she was not seen leaving the building on Tuesday, what would lead them to think she wasn't dead and somewhere in the lab? I haven't been able to get an adequate answer from anyone as to whether someone could exit that lab area without being seen on surveillance. Or was the camera disabled during a particular time, which led them to wonder if she had exited the building or was moved to another part of the building?
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Just a note: A search dog looks for a scent unique to Annie (alive). A cadaver dog looks for the scent of death (all dead bodies smell the same).


September 10:
The bloodhounds had been part of the search since Thursday, as had more than 100 law enforcement officials from the various agencies.

http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/u...olice-detain-yale-employee-suspected-killing/

September 10:
NEW HAVEN, Conn. (AP) The search for missing Yale student Annie Le expanded Thursday as police used search dogs and reviewed security camera footage in the hopes of finding the 24-year-old Yale University graduate student who vanished less than a week before her wedding.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/09/10/crimesider/entry5300869.shtml

AND

Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:41 a.m.
Police search 10 Amistad St. with bloodhounds

The Connecticut State Police have brought in bloodhounds to assist in the search for Le at 10 Amistad St., where she was last seen, and a detailed search of the surrounding area is continuing today, Perrotti wrote.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/09/10/crimesider/entry5300869.shtml

September 13:
Five days after Le's disappearance, members of the state police crime squad, with the assistance of a cadaver dog, discovered her fully clothed body in the research building at 10 Amistad St. She was wearing the same clothes seen in a video of her entering the building last week, a source said.
...

Investigators had attempted to bring a cadaver dog into the building earlier in the week, but because of the large number of animals in the laboratory, the dogs were unable to do a thorough search.
http://www.courant.com/news/connect...-le-raymond-clark-yale-slaying,0,857789.story

Read WS post that said they brought in German Shepherd (cadaver?) dogs on Friday and will try to find source for that comment.

See next post for info on when (media reports) cadaver dogs began searching.
 
The big break in the case came from a German shepherd named Max and his handler, State Trooper Nick Leary. Max is trained in body recognition. He was first sent to search through large amounts of garbage that had been sent out for incineration. On Sunday he was taken to the basement of the Yale lab building, where he picked up Annie Le’s scent.

Max is a cadaver dog. Could it be that dog hit on garbage incinerator/contents and that is what lead to the Hartford facility?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...student-annie-le-hartford-0913,0,330116.story

And then when he was taken to the basement, he hit on Annie's remains?


From this article, it looks like the cadaver dogs (German shepherds) were brought in on September 12. (September 13, 2009 By MATTHEW CHAYES AND ANDREW STRICKLER)

Investigators scoured the university research building yesterday, with dozens of officials going in and out of the lab on Amistad Street and searching it with German shepherds.
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http://www.newsday.com/news/search-...to-landfill-1.1443592?localLinksEnabled=false

This would make sense of the comment (same link as above) of Kim Mertz's comment:

Yesterday, Mertz confirmed that "items that potentially could be evidence have been seized" and would be tested. "None have yet been associated with Annie Le at this time," she said.

"We are not in the position today to conclude whether this is a missing person's case or whether criminality is involved," Mertz said.

I will categorically say a body has not been found," she said.
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The clothes were not Annie's ... so they didn't know whether they were connected to her case and whether foul play was involved.

BUT that would give them reason to bring in cadaver dogs, esp. because by now, they had not found surveillance of Annie leaving the building.
 
I've seen bits and pieces of information about Annie Le's family situation and upbringing, but what about Ray Clark?

I just know he has a sister and brother in law. What about other family members? Did him and his sister grow up with parents? I haven't heard anything about his parents in the news, unless I missed it somewhere.

Edit: Okay, now that I think of it, his father did enter the picture when Clark was holed up in that Motel, if I'm not mistaken. Otherwise, there hasn't been much talk about his family. Did he grow up in a middle class family household? Are his parents still married?
 
Shlock Homes said:
I've seen bits and pieces of information about Annie Le's family situation and upbringing, but what about Ray Clark?

I just know he has a sister and brother in law. What about other family members? Did him and his sister grow up with parents? I haven't heard anything about his parents in the news, unless I missed it somewhere.

Edit: Okay, now that I think of it, his father did enter the picture when Clark was holed up in that Motel, if I'm not mistaken. Otherwise, there hasn't been much talk about his family. Did he grow up in a middle class family household? Are his parents still married?
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Hi, Shlock Homes, I've wondered about the same thing. Except for the father's motel appearance (which I had forgotten about), they seem nowhere in sight. But at this stage of very overwhelming events, what could they do? What can one say, especially if the evidence seems compelling? They don't want reporters camping out at their doorstep, as in the Anthony case, and, in any case, the crime itself probably seems unthinkable to them.

Legal defenses for murder trials are very expensive, but it doesn't seem that his family is able to mount even a modest effort in that direction.
 
Raymond John Clark Jr. and Diane Clark – Parents of Raymond John Clark III. Currently separated according to anonymous source. http://news.aol.com/article/car-seized-from-motel-where-yale-suspect/677082

Denise Kent – Ray Clark's sister. She is also an animal lab technician employed by Yale University. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_296032.html

Shawn Kent – Ray Clark's brother-in-law. He is also an animal lab technician employed by Yale University. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_296032.html

See [ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89155"]Who's Who [/ame]for others in case. If someone is missing, add entry let me know.
 
Chanler said:
Hi, Shlock Homes, I've wondered about the same thing. Except for the father's motel appearance (which I had forgotten about), they seem nowhere in sight. But at this stage of very overwhelming events, what could they do? What can one say, especially if the evidence seems compelling? They don't want reporters camping out at their doorstep, as in the Anthony case, and, in any case, the crime itself probably seems unthinkable to them.

Legal defenses for murder trials are very expensive, but it doesn't seem that his family is able to mount even a modest effort in that direction.
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Hi there chanler: Pretty sure his father lives with Clark. Many nearby renters talked of an elderly man living with Clark and his girlfriend. Somebody established that person to be his dad. mho
 
I've seen that Ray's parents are separated and that they are divorced. Does anyone which is correct?

In the link below, they refer to Ray Clark's FATHER as Raymond Clark III, but it is Ray himself who is III. His father would be Ray Clark Jr. Unless the III doesn't mean anything and they ARE both IIIs?


Clark's father, Raymond Clark III, had checked in to the motel before his son was arrested, but it was unclear whether he was still living there, according to the AP. He is divorced from the suspects mother, Diane Clark.

http://i.abcnews.com/US/annie-le-case-police-suspect-ray-clark/Story?id=8620313&page=2

Raymond John Clark Jr. and Diane Clark – Parents of Raymond John Clark III. Currently separated according to anonymous source. http://news.aol.com/article/car-seized-from-motel-where-yale-suspect/677082
 
According to court documents, RC III listed his father as his emergency contact. His father was listed as Raymond Clark II.

According to zabasearch.com and Intellius, RC's father was born August, 1958 making him 51. There are quite a few RJCs in CT and I narrowed it down by checking the names of relatives. This particular hit (showing his age) had his wife as the only relative.
 
Emily Booth said:
According to court documents, RC III listed his father as his emergency contact. His father was listed as Raymond Clark II.

According to zabasearch.com and Intellius, RC's father was born August, 1958 making him 51. There are quite a few RJCs in CT and I narrowed it down by checking the names of relatives. This particular hit (showing his age) had his wife as the only relative.
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What is the difference between Jr. and II?

I know a family whose male members were Senior, Junior, and III. Is it a personal preference between Jr. and II?

I vaguely remember reading about this but don't remember what the result was. It was about another suspect in a different case, who also happened to be a III.


ETA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffix_(name)

More than you want to know about suffixes. :)
 
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